The 'Big Bang' didn't go wrong (or did it?) And the speed of light!

DonaldG · 09-10-2008, 04:27 AM

So far, so good.

If a black hole was created, they kept quiet about it, or maybe the whole universe was sucked in and we are all happily inside it!

However, I call the scientists to task. It is said that it is not possible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light.

If you take Einstein's theory of relativity..The bit where the view of the world is seen from observers in two different places....

Observer 1 standing outside the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). he will see a particle travelling clockwise at 'near' the speed of light; also he will see a particle travelling anti-clockwise also at the same 'near' speed of light.

Observer 2 If it were possible, sitting on one of the particles, inside the LHC whizzing around at 'near' the speed of light, he would experience a particle coming towards him at well over the speed of light.

Therefore it is my contention that matter CAN travel faster than the speed of light. Q.E.D.

**Rhort** · 09-10-2008, 04:39 AM

Hehehe. Didn't pay much attention to Einstein, did you?

**Mack** · 09-10-2008, 04:48 AM

I'm not technically minded however, it accures to me that saying its not possible to travel faster than the speed of light is limiting the universe to the laws that govern us and knowledge it's self.

In 2002 a physicist Alain Hache sent pulses at a group velocity of three times light speed over a 120-metre cable made from a coaxial photonic crystal. But sending information or mater faster than light is another problem. That has yet to be done I think.

One thing. If both clockwise and anticlockwise mater are traveling toward each other they are still traveling at lower than the speed of light yet the distance between the two is closing twice as fast as the speed of light. Yet the fact remains that both are traveling at the same speed.

Equally if two cars pass each other at 30kph the distance between then is closing at a rate of 60kmh.

Distance is calculated by 2 points. each point calculated to give one value so therefore distance is made up of two values.

I might be wrong but a distance values cannot be converted to a speed value as if both are one.

**WereBo** · 09-10-2008, 06:12 AM

I seem to remember a TV documentary about Einstein's theory, some years back - According to Einstein, it's impossible to travel AT the speed of light - but he didn't mention anything about travelling faster than.....

The only part of Einstein's maths that I understand, is the 'whooooshing' sound as it passes straight over my head

**Jack.Sparrow** · 09-11-2008, 02:28 AM

The way I always saw is, if going by Einstein's theory about the two people thing, that it is possible to travel faster than the speed of light, but the 'thing' would be going back in time and therefore it wouldn't have been accelerated to over the speed of light, which in turn means it can't go as fast as it just did .... yeah.

**WereBo** · 09-11-2008, 05:40 AM

OK, so a spaceship has to accelerate forward to reach the speed of light - assuming for argument's sake that the barrier can be passed - travelling faster than light means travelling back in time.

What if they accelerate in reverse??? Will they go forward in time, when travelling faster than light???

**Glaswegian** · 09-11-2008, 06:26 AM

Doesn't that depend on which way the light was shining?

mimo2005 · 09-11-2008, 07:10 AM

Valve must have planted this guy somehow.

**Drew1369** · 09-11-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

Valve must have planted this guy somehow.

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!

Thats abit scary

**Rhort** · 09-11-2008, 08:55 AM

Is it just me, or is he in black & white?

ebackhus · 09-11-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

Valve must have planted this guy somehow.

Gawd that's creepy. Damn you, G-Man!

**birdjaguar** · 09-11-2008, 06:13 PM

IIRC, mass cannot accelerate to/beyond the speed of light, but 'particles' like tachyons can and must travel faster than light.

**Jack.Sparrow** · 09-12-2008, 03:44 AM

The LHC Rap for those who find all the science difficult to grasp - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

**sobeit** · 09-21-2008, 04:35 AM

I bringing up this old thread because maybe something did happen. They are saying theres some damage cause by possible electrical failure but what if it was really caused by a small black hole???? conspiracy theory time

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/storie...09-20-08-18-53

Quote:

The world's largest atom smasher - which was launched with great fanfare earlier this month - has been damaged worse than previously thought and will be out of commission for at least two months, its operators said Saturday.

Garryson01 · 09-22-2008, 09:05 AM

I don't think they actually managed to collide them yet, I think they just sent particles round in both directions to check it was possible.

**sobeit** · 09-22-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Garryson01

I don't think they actually managed to collide them yet, I think they just sent particles round in both directions to check it was possible.

that we know of

09-10-2008, 04:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
DonaldG Manager Home Support, Assistant Manager Articles Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Somerset, UK Posts: 10,164 OS: XPsp2 Laptop & Vista Ultimate Desktop My System Blog Entries: 1	The 'Big Bang' didn't go wrong (or did it?) And the speed of light! So far, so good. If a black hole was created, they kept quiet about it, or maybe the whole universe was sucked in and we are all happily inside it! However, I call the scientists to task. It is said that it is not possible for anything to travel faster than the speed of light. If you take Einstein's theory of relativity..The bit where the view of the world is seen from observers in two different places.... Observer 1 standing outside the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). he will see a particle travelling clockwise at 'near' the speed of light; also he will see a particle travelling anti-clockwise also at the same 'near' speed of light. Observer 2 If it were possible, sitting on one of the particles, inside the LHC whizzing around at 'near' the speed of light, he would experience a particle coming towards him at well over the speed of light. Therefore it is my contention that matter CAN travel faster than the speed of light. Q.E.D. __________________ . Lest we forget... "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them." Submit New Articles Here TSF's Photographer's Corner . Last edited by DonaldG; 09-10-2008 at 04:30 AM.

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Mack I Don't Know Yet.. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 538 OS: Xp Pro 64Bit/Vista Home 32Bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: The 'Big Bang' didn't go wrong (or did it?) And the speed of light! I'm not technically minded however, it accures to me that saying its not possible to travel faster than the speed of light is limiting the universe to the laws that govern us and knowledge it's self. In 2002 a physicist Alain Hache sent pulses at a group velocity of three times light speed over a 120-metre cable made from a coaxial photonic crystal. But sending information or mater faster than light is another problem. That has yet to be done I think. One thing. If both clockwise and anticlockwise mater are traveling toward each other they are still traveling at lower than the speed of light yet the distance between the two is closing twice as fast as the speed of light. Yet the fact remains that both are traveling at the same speed. Equally if two cars pass each other at 30kph the distance between then is closing at a rate of 60kmh. Distance is calculated by 2 points. each point calculated to give one value so therefore distance is made up of two values. I might be wrong but a distance values cannot be converted to a speed value as if both are one. Last edited by Mack; 09-10-2008 at 05:12 AM.

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