too much kissing ?

mimo2005 · 11-20-2004, 12:21 AM

Is there too much kissing going on at the White House?

"I see nothing wrong with giving someone a peck on the cheek if he has a close relationship with her, but in business, in general, kissing on the lips would not be appropriate," says Jacqueline Whitmore, head of the Protocol School of Palm Beach, who instructs executives on the do's and don'ts of business etiquette. Her rule: When in doubt, don't.

In fact, Bush does have long and close relationships with both women: Rice, who has been his foreign policy adviser since he ran for president, has become practically a member of the first family. And he described Spellings, who worked for him in Austin, as an "incredible, special" person. Moreover, it could be argued that it was Spellings who initiated the kiss, after giving him a pat on the back. Plus, all this kissing and hugging is supposed to be a "Southern" thing; Bush, who considers himself a Texas Southerner, hugs people a lot, say White House reporters.

Risky business, says Amy Oppenheimer, a California business consultant on workplace harassment issues. Powerful men kissing their subordinates in public can be misconstrued by the kissee or people watching the kiss.

And there's the whole male-female thing, too: Bush didn't kiss his close pal Alberto Gonzales when he nominated him for attorney general last week.

"Kissing is social behavior, not professional behavior, and people have different boundaries about it," says Oppenheimer. "The only person who would know if (a woman is) uncomfortable with it is her — and why would she say anything if she weren't?" The White House had no comment.

Also on Wednesday, Bush pardoned the White House Thanksgiving turkey. But he didn't kiss it.

taken from usatoday and washingtonpost .

DaveMo~ · 11-20-2004, 06:35 AM

Quote:

"I see nothing wrong with giving someone a peck on the cheek if he has a close relationship with her, but in business, in general, kissing on the lips would not be appropriate," says Jacqueline Whitmore

She's just mad because no one wants to kiss her!

Quote:

Risky business, says Amy Oppenheimer, a California business consultant on workplace harassment issues. Powerful men kissing their subordinates in public can be misconstrued by the kissee or people watching the kiss.

It doesn't have to be "powerful" men or women either. And maybe the worse thing about some of the harassment issues is when someone watching thinks it's harassment (or they just don't like it) when it's not.

Interesting closing remarks!

LoL!

batty_professor · 11-20-2004, 12:16 PM

Far be it for me to tell the President how to conduct his business, but I have issues with this especially for press release. A firm heartfelt handshake and the shiny new door placard would be more appropriate. Surely I'm not alone.

**Fox** · 11-20-2004, 12:19 PM

Eh...whatever, as long as he's not knowing her in the oval office, it doesn't bother me.

**DumberDrummer** · 11-20-2004, 12:57 PM

And thus it came to be, that George DID come to know Condi, and ....

Ok, I'll stop.

I personally find that picture of the prez kissing Rice a bit disturbing, but its a free country.

11-20-2004, 01:02 PM

Hi,

My opinion is that it is kind of like the name of the Shakespearean play "Much Ado About Nothing." Since it was in the open, guess there will not be any Oval Office antics like our last great Prez!

**DumberDrummer** · 11-20-2004, 01:04 PM

A lot more presidents than you think "sleep around"

Clinton just got caught.

**Jason** · 11-20-2004, 02:56 PM

His father did, so why can't he?

**DumberDrummer** · 11-20-2004, 06:36 PM

sleep around or kiss?

**Jason** · 11-20-2004, 08:42 PM

There was a brief mention of him having an illegitmate child when he was in office, but it was quickly hushed.

mimo2005 · 11-20-2004, 09:52 PM

thats true ,i ve read it too .

Bob Barker · 11-29-2004, 01:49 PM

It's all a conspiracy!!! they are pumping the president full of aphrodisiacs as soon as they believe he is messin up!!! that way he will get caught foolin around and they can impeach him!!!! ****wishful thinking perhaps?**** bwah hahhaha

**jgvernonco** · 11-29-2004, 05:04 PM

It's the Cubans....no wait, the Mafia....now wait, it was LBJ!

Aw heck, it's the wrong thread...

**Sealy** · 11-29-2004, 07:23 PM

Actualy, hugging and kissing ARE Southern traditions.. we are overall an affectionate people but since the rest of the world doesnt think like us Southerners * may their Higher Power help them

* then an innocent tradition becomes a Bill Clinton thing. Tell ya what though.. me being a Southerner, the kiss was a bit...questionable.. even to me.

**Jason** · 11-29-2004, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sealy

Actualy, hugging and kissing ARE Southern traditions.. we are overall an affectionate people but since the rest of the world doesnt think like us Southerners * may their Higher Power help them

* then an innocent tradition becomes a Bill Clinton thing. Tell ya what though.. me being a Southerner, the kiss was a bit...questionable.. even to me.

The south shall rise again.

**Sealy** · 11-30-2004, 05:54 AM

I dont detect sarcasm in that comment do I? *glares* *smack*

bry623 · 11-30-2004, 08:51 AM

If it bothered Condi, she would say something. I know that if my wife and meet him (hopefully those inaguration tickets will arrive) she would absolutely kiss him. It is a polite kind of gender thing. No, I don't want the President kissing me in a greeting, but I would peck his wife on the cheek.
Like Fox said, it ain't in the oval office, and it is only a greeting, and he is being open about it--- Good for him!

**Jason** · 11-30-2004, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sealy

I dont detect sarcasm in that comment do I? *glares* *smack*

Who me? Naw...

11-20-2004, 12:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	too much kissing ? Is there too much kissing going on at the White House? "I see nothing wrong with giving someone a peck on the cheek if he has a close relationship with her, but in business, in general, kissing on the lips would not be appropriate," says Jacqueline Whitmore, head of the Protocol School of Palm Beach, who instructs executives on the do's and don'ts of business etiquette. Her rule: When in doubt, don't. In fact, Bush does have long and close relationships with both women: Rice, who has been his foreign policy adviser since he ran for president, has become practically a member of the first family. And he described Spellings, who worked for him in Austin, as an "incredible, special" person. Moreover, it could be argued that it was Spellings who initiated the kiss, after giving him a pat on the back. Plus, all this kissing and hugging is supposed to be a "Southern" thing; Bush, who considers himself a Texas Southerner, hugs people a lot, say White House reporters. Risky business, says Amy Oppenheimer, a California business consultant on workplace harassment issues. Powerful men kissing their subordinates in public can be misconstrued by the kissee or people watching the kiss. And there's the whole male-female thing, too: Bush didn't kiss his close pal Alberto Gonzales when he nominated him for attorney general last week. "Kissing is social behavior, not professional behavior, and people have different boundaries about it," says Oppenheimer. "The only person who would know if (a woman is) uncomfortable with it is her — and why would she say anything if she weren't?" The White House had no comment. Also on Wednesday, Bush pardoned the White House Thanksgiving turkey. But he didn't kiss it. taken from usatoday and washingtonpost . __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

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batty_professor Asst. Manager, Alternative Computing Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hooterville Il 45 mi. east of St. Louis mo Posts: 2,608 OS: Fedora Core 5 for now	Far be it for me to tell the President how to conduct his business, but I have issues with this especially for press release. A firm heartfelt handshake and the shiny new door placard would be more appropriate. Surely I'm not alone. __________________ It's better to know me and not need me than to need me and not know me. B. While users are never under any obligation, if you feel the urge please feel free to visit our donation page. Every little bit helps. And we thank you for your support. Microsoft free Registered Linux user 397458

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DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	And thus it came to be, that George DID come to know Condi, and .... Ok, I'll stop. I personally find that picture of the prez kissing Rice a bit disturbing, but its a free country. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

11-20-2004, 01:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	A lot more presidents than you think "sleep around" Clinton just got caught. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

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Jason BANNED Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pasco, FL Posts: 8,497 OS: Windows Vista My System Blog Entries: 2	His father did, so why can't he? __________________ Posting Tips \| Advice for New People \| Common Fixes \| Agus na damnaithe fágtha gan focal Glaoigh ormsa i measc na naomh Love to ONE, friendship to a FEW, and good will to ALL.

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Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	Eh...whatever, as long as he's not knowing her in the oval office, it doesn't bother me.

11-20-2004, 01:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
mark3567 Guest Posts: n/a OS:	Hi, My opinion is that it is kind of like the name of the Shakespearean play "Much Ado About Nothing." Since it was in the open, guess there will not be any Oval Office antics like our last great Prez!

11-20-2004, 06:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	sleep around or kiss? __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

11-20-2004, 08:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jason BANNED Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pasco, FL Posts: 8,497 OS: Windows Vista My System Blog Entries: 2	There was a brief mention of him having an illegitmate child when he was in office, but it was quickly hushed. __________________ Posting Tips \| Advice for New People \| Common Fixes \| Agus na damnaithe fágtha gan focal Glaoigh ormsa i measc na naomh Love to ONE, friendship to a FEW, and good will to ALL.

11-20-2004, 09:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	thats true ,i ve read it too . __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

11-29-2004, 01:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bob Barker Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 2nd star to the right straight on til' morning Posts: 65 OS: WinXP	It's all a conspiracy!!! they are pumping the president full of aphrodisiacs as soon as they believe he is messin up!!! that way he will get caught foolin around and they can impeach him!!!! **wishful thinking perhaps? bwah hahhaha __________________ HAVE A PEACHY-RIFIC DAY!!!!**

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11-29-2004, 07:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Sealy Resident Brat Emeritus :P Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 2,045 OS: XP(home)	Actualy, hugging and kissing ARE Southern traditions.. we are overall an affectionate people but since the rest of the world doesnt think like us Southerners * may their Higher Power help them * then an innocent tradition becomes a Bill Clinton thing. Tell ya what though.. me being a Southerner, the kiss was a bit...questionable.. even to me. __________________ ~Brightest Blessings~ Sealy Kim --------------------- Ná glac pioc comhairle gan comhairle ban. O Autumn. Laden with fruit, and stained With the blood of the grape, pass not, but sit Beneath my shady roof, there thou may'st rest, And tune thy jolly voice to my fresh pipe; And all the daughters of the year shall dance, Sing now the lusty song of fruits and flowers. -William Blake- Contributions will not go unnoticed.

11-30-2004, 05:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sealy Resident Brat Emeritus :P Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 2,045 OS: XP(home)	I dont detect sarcasm in that comment do I? glares smack __________________ ~Brightest Blessings~ Sealy Kim --------------------- Ná glac pioc comhairle gan comhairle ban. O Autumn. Laden with fruit, and stained With the blood of the grape, pass not, but sit Beneath my shady roof, there thou may'st rest, And tune thy jolly voice to my fresh pipe; And all the daughters of the year shall dance, Sing now the lusty song of fruits and flowers. -William Blake- Contributions will not go unnoticed.

11-30-2004, 08:51 AM	#17 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,717 OS: winxp pro sp2	If it bothered Condi, she would say something. I know that if my wife and meet him (hopefully those inaguration tickets will arrive) she would absolutely kiss him. It is a polite kind of gender thing. No, I don't want the President kissing me in a greeting, but I would peck his wife on the cheek. Like Fox said, it ain't in the oval office, and it is only a greeting, and he is being open about it--- Good for him! __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"