eneles

Mummy? In Egypt?
Ship is "skepp" in Swedish, "schiff" in German and "skib" in Danish. I can't remember the Norwegian word, but it's probably something similar.

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Finally, all those Pepsi's are kicking in! Yeah, mama seems to be pretty common, with papa not quite as common. Lets see, isn't Spanish madre and padre? I wonder if in the familiar it is mama and papa.

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kinbard

Good example of morphology from k to sch to the h that we use in English.

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eneles

It's pronounced schepp in Swedish.

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Stop screwing with my linguistic teachings

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eneles

Don't ask me to explain how sk-, tj-, sch- etc is pronounced in Swedish.

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Usually j (jot) is a glide, so maybe tj is tya, tyuh or similar?

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eneles

Tj can be pronounced sh- (share), or ch- (like in check).

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Hmm. First time I have seen T deviate from the traditional t hard d palatized, that I can remember. But I have never studied Swedish. Need to give it a look-see.

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eneles

It's (mostly) in Russian names it's pronounced ch- (Gorbachev is spelt Gorbatjov in Swedish).

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I wonder why it changes to t?

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Ship is very different in the Middle Eastern, Eastern, Siberian and native languages of South America that I'm aware of because it's such an old concept. Usually, you can trace the origin of a word by the inventing and naming nationality, and the rule, contact or influence of nations under its control. Since Brits and the Dutch controlled most of India, Pakistan, Kashmir, Bangladesh during and after the Western Industrial Revolution, many of the names they gave to anything is what those people use.

Such as boot - people there call shoes their boot (singular and plural).

However, because the Arabs ruled all the area, including Turkey, to Romania and Africa, their language has left deep seated remnants, just like ancient Greeks did with Romans and Romans did to the Latin West.

I mean, the people named Romanichals by the West (non-Romans). They look everything like typical Western English people, but are actually from the Indo-Pak borders of modern day from around 1000-1200AD. So the words they use for water, "paani", is the same as in urdu, mirpuri, kashmiri, pashto, hindko, gujrati, coakni, hindi, uzbeki, kushi, punjabi, latoki, bengali, and ~400 other languages/~800 different dialects native to those regions too.

This is how I once spotted a Romanichal in the West. We were at a supermarket in 2002 and one of the children at the orphanges I run was with me for shopping. I brought him into the West to show him all, and he wanted water, and called me said "paani dyo" - literally "give me water", or more accurately translated when you use the manner and etiquettes native to the language as "please give me some water". A fella in his 40s was standing by my side; a typical Western chap, dirty blonde hair, dark blue eyes and pale naturally tanned skin. He passed the kid a water bottle, with confidence as though knowing what the kid meant saying "anho". That means "here you go". The accent was purely native to those areas where the kid comes from. I inquired to the chap how he knew what the kid said, and he explained that his grandfather is native to and descends from the same region as the kid, speaking the same language, he can tell just by the looks - just a different tribe. He said at the time of Queen Victoria reign, his great grandfather came to the West on trade and took up employment at the harbor. Later on they migrated slowly into Europe following many of their previous descendants. Since then he said, we have lost our language, our culture and our identity due to integration and intermarrying with Romanized Western people. Something he bemoaned heavily. He then told me that the kid asked for "paani" which is water, and that they are most likely cousins of 5-10 generations back, when I told him the area of the kids natives. He knew more than I did of that area.

And by the way, the Romanichals are "assumed" most likely descendants of one of the military posts by the Greek Alexander BCE. Because those were the bravest people they met who stopped their entrance past their forts and halted their further conquests and the army of Alexander and himself is said to have fallen in love with them and their bravery, and culture, employing them at high military ranks and intermarrying as well as settling there. The fact still stands, that those "tribes" are very courageous and daring individuals even in the West, and usually distinctively beautiful as well.

ashumann12

Thanks Kinbard, Thats one less thred to bounce between.

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kinbard

Any time!
BTW, we can continue the english thread here, or ask questions, make comments.
Kalim, do you know what family their language belongs to? I'm guessing uralic.

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The Western pockets of those people have now mixed in English and Gaelic slanguage into their own creole language, and forgotten their root tongue. Back where they come from, there are still people speaking the original tongue. The West categorized it as Indo-Aryan, sub-group Indo_Iranian, family Indo_European, location, South Asia. It borrows many terms from Uzbekistani's, Kazakhstani's, Mongolians and Siberians though.

Nobody made a cry or notice of the Porajmos but that existed at the same time as the Shoah involving the Jews this century.

kinbard

Out of site, out of mind, I guess. Hmm, interesting they are indo-euro instead of sino-tibetan since it is Asia.

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ashumann12

JohnthePilot just posted funny video in "There is only ONE ENGLISH"

Score one for John

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