Languages - Page 2

**eneles** · 07-10-2007, 09:37 PM

Vad är det ni talar om?

**Kalim** · 07-10-2007, 10:23 PM

What's that you're speaking?

OR

Why is it you're speaking like that? 4:-dontkno

You know very well I don't understand your language well. That's my best guesstimate.

To your point, I have no idea of what it's called yet. Maybe it has no name.

**eneles** · 07-10-2007, 10:33 PM

Det betyder: "Hvad er det I snakker om"? (Danish this time)

= What are you talking about?

**scathe30** · 07-11-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by eneles

Det betyder: "Hvad er det I snakker om"? (Danish this time)

= What are you talking about?

О чём вы говорите?

**scathe30** · 07-11-2007, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kinbard

Scathe30, Russian is one of the languages I intend to learn fluently someday (along with cherokee, hebrew, hungarian) I might have some questions for you on grammar one day. It is hard for americans to understand the concept of grammatical aspect.

Well, feel free to ask ANY questions then. I hope that I'll be able to help - I've got linguistic education, and though theoretically I know English grammar rules much better then Russian, the latter is flowing in my veins since my birth

The fact is that native speakers, who don't deal much with linguistics, rarely can explain why they say something this way and not that way - they simply feel the language but never explain its mechanisms to themselves

**scathe30** · 07-11-2007, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalim

You know, I've always had an interest to "understand" your native language but never really got round to it. I would like to just at least have an idea of what they talk about though.

I simply don't pick up any bits of it, yet.

If you want to translate anything from Russian (some phrase, maybe) then I'm at your service. Our language is tough

Mainly because it has synthetic structure (grammatical meanings are displayed by inner altering of the form of the word) as opposed to analytical English (grammatical meanings are displayed by means of syntax - word order, auxiliaries, and so on). Synthetic languages have many irregular forms and exclusions (just like irregular verbs in English, that in fact are the remnants of synthetic-analytical Old English grammar)

**scathe30** · 07-11-2007, 03:29 AM

Sorry, eneles, could you do me a favour of translating a small passage into english?

The text may be rather stupid (it is very possible), but I really like this song!! I'd like to know what they're singing about....

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Om dunkel stig i mångmilaskogar förtäljs i bergasagan
En snårig led som kantas av gyger som har blivit til sten
I grenars verk av vindars iver höres ödslig klagan
Vad lurar bortom nästa krök, bortom irrblossken?
Din rädslo äro större än att bliva rovdjursföda
När du trampar stigens väg i mystisk labyrint
I ringlande vandring svår, en ändlös trälamöda
Genom kitteldalens djup upp mot högan klint

This is only the first verse

I like a lot of Swedish music - when they sing in their native language. Unfortunately I have rather scarce knowledge of swedish - I know the words skog, krig, hammar... ahem... I think this is almost all

**eneles** · 07-11-2007, 04:21 AM

Hi scathe,
Do you know the title of the song? It looks like rather "archaic" Swedish.

**scathe30** · 07-11-2007, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by eneles

Hi scathe,
Do you know the title of the song? It looks like rather "archaic" Swedish.

Yeah, it is called Trollslottet (Sagovindars Boning) - I know that it can be translated like "The Castle Of Wizardry, the Dwelling Of Fairy Winds" (one of my friends from the university who learned swedish translated this to me). Judging by the name of the song its content may be rather interesting

kinbard · 07-11-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by scathe30

Mainly because it has synthetic structure (grammatical meanings are displayed by inner altering of the form of the word)

This is one of the hardest parts of Russian. Sometimes it is really hard to find the root word. Without my dictionary I will have to think hard to find an example.

**eneles** · 07-11-2007, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scathe30

Sorry, eneles, could you do me a favour of translating a small passage into english?

The text may be rather stupid (it is very possible), but I really like this song!! I'd like to know what they're singing about....

This is only the first verse

I like a lot of Swedish music - when they sing in their native language. Unfortunately I have rather scarce knowledge of swedish - I know the words skog, krig, hammar... ahem... I think this is almost all

Om dunkel stig i mångmilaskogar förtäljs i bergasagan

Words of a dusky trail through vast woods in the mountain tales

En snårig led som kantas av gyger som har blivit til sten

A tricky path lined with (female) giants turned to stone

I grenars verk av vindars iver höres ödslig klagan

The branches turn the ardent wind into dreary wails

Vad lurar bortom nästa krök, bortom irrblossken?

What's lurking around the corner, in the twilight zone?

Din rädslo äro större än att bliva rovdjursföda

Fear worse than being the beast of prey's kill

När du trampar stigens väg i mystisk labyrint

When you tread the trail's mystic maze in seek

I ringlande vandring svår, en ändlös trälamöda

A journey hard, a never-ending treadmill

Genom kitteldalens djup upp mot högan klint

From the cirques bottom to the peak

This translation is, of course, far from perfect. But it gives you an idea of what the lyrics are about. Is this some kind of heavy metal lyrics?

kinbard · 07-11-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eneles

This translation is, of course, far from perfect. But it gives you an idea of what the lyrics are about. Is this some kind of heavy metal lyrics?

If it is not perfect it must be pretty darned close. That was nice.

**scathe30** · 07-12-2007, 04:01 AM

Thanks, eneles.
Yes, this is a folk-rock/metal band called Otyg, they play some folkish positive melodies, not heavy at all

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This is one of the hardest parts of Russian. Sometimes it is really hard to find the root word. Without my dictionary I will have to think hard to find an example.

We don't have much system in this part of the language - many things must be simply learnt.

**Kalim** · 07-12-2007, 08:59 AM

Nice guys. So Nicholas, Scathe, Kinbard - I appease you to teach me some languages, like Cherokee, Russian and Swedish.

Whatever you know, it'll most likely be more than I do.

kinbard · 07-12-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalim

Nice guys. So Nicholas, Scathe, Kinbard - I appease you to teach me some languages, like Cherokee, Russian and Swedish.

Whatever you know, it'll most likely be more than I do.

Ha! I don't know. Some of you guys are making me feel out of my element now! My dad lives in eastern tn, where I am from. I had him go into N Carolina to get me some eastern cherokee books. Maybe I can put some of it together and send your way. I was looking over the stuff last night, now that I have some time since I am putting school off for the fall.

**Kalim** · 07-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Well, the most excluded element in my "grown up" life is probably not spending quality time with some descendent's of "native" Americans who still closely resemble or practice their way of living and thought. I've always needed to do that, and it screams within me. I did, with some, briefly in the highlands/woods of Utah/Colorado many years ago, but that was a different time and my aims were different.

kinbard · 07-12-2007, 09:35 AM

I understand the screaming within you part. I went through that, which was what eventually led me to study the language. It is kindof ironic...I can say my people hurt my people. I know that others can say that, scathe for instance, and you. Isn't it weird, though?

07-10-2007, 09:37 PM	#21 (permalink)
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07-10-2007, 10:33 PM	#23 (permalink)
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eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 21,209 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04 My System	Re: Languages Hi scathe, Do you know the title of the song? It looks like rather "archaic" Swedish. __________________ Click the banner for links

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kinbard Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 2,329 OS: Solaris 10, XP,SuSE10, 10.3,11, Freespire,PCLinuxOS, Vista HP, and a partridge in a pear tree	Re: Languages I understand the screaming within you part. I went through that, which was what eventually led me to study the language. It is kindof ironic...I can say my people hurt my people. I know that others can say that, scathe for instance, and you. Isn't it weird, though? __________________ Half viking, half pirate, stronger than both 5 Steps XP Repair

07-10-2007, 10:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,538 OS: Many	What's that you're speaking? OR Why is it you're speaking like that? 4:-dontkno You know very well I don't understand your language well. That's my best guesstimate. To your point, I have no idea of what it's called yet. Maybe it has no name.

07-12-2007, 08:59 AM	#34 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,538 OS: Many	Nice guys. So Nicholas, Scathe, Kinbard - I appease you to teach me some languages, like Cherokee, Russian and Swedish. Whatever you know, it'll most likely be more than I do.

07-12-2007, 09:17 AM	#36 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,538 OS: Many	Well, the most excluded element in my "grown up" life is probably not spending quality time with some descendent's of "native" Americans who still closely resemble or practice their way of living and thought. I've always needed to do that, and it screams within me. I did, with some, briefly in the highlands/woods of Utah/Colorado many years ago, but that was a different time and my aims were different.