Ariesjill

Just ordered a recent biography of Einstein after hearing the author interviewed. It appears he nailed the essence of his genius....elements we can all learn from....involves having ecstatic option to see and think outside the box (which I have come to think of as Eyes by Marcel)....which also, naturally. involves seeing the "boxes" all around and often WITHIN....and then realizing if we R stuck in any and with the attending pricetags.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/re...dp/0743264738a

And an interesting account of The Genius online from TIME:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...607298,00.html

Wozer

not that I argue the genius of Albert, but its rather strange that he released multiple papers in a very short time...and strange the amount of $ (or was that Deutschmarken?) he paid off to his first wife, also a brilliant physicist....

in a nutshell it is suppposed that she gave more than a little helping hand on his theories ;)

Ariesjill

You do get, yes....that humans are each unique and nobody is perfect? That is one reason we are all so fascinating!

To me, all fascinating humans are a gift.....and I neither expect, nor want any to be perfect, but I do now see (and so do others)....I do expect peole to make honest efforts.

He had a really terrible, abusive in ways early life.....his mother was a total bigot, they didn't get who he was; it ain't easy being a genius in most bean counter cultures 2 begin with...and someone even just a real individual, and Germany defined that then, bean counter....these, just for openers.

I would B All Good, if, before you rendered some "verdict" you got all the evidence and then deliberated more.

We are all essentially babies in bathwater.....so important to tell one from the other before U throw both out. Hence the famous aphorism!

I already know a great deal about this fascinating human....and I just ordered the new bio!

Final example: Picasso was in a class by himself. He was also a total opportunist and had seriously toxic effects on many close to him. He was contaminated in way which make Einstein's garden variety warts......disappear. I could offer a gazllion more examples but it's not necessary if U get just that one.

95five-0

You should read the book because they cover all these topics. I am half way through it right now and I can't put it down.

Ariesjill

PS past edit window: If U R moved to learn all the data in everything...I encourage you in this. The courage he showed for years, manifesting so many luminous things in his relationshp with her re his first wife---and remember, Germany then (hoefully then and not now) academically was entirely sexist....and Einstein and his wife were real colleagues.....but the miracle was the quality and duraction of the relationship period, given his bigot mother was on him every second dissing her.....not the right religion, slightly crippled physically and not conventionally beautiful......well U need to learn about all this.

But if, as I intuit, with pain....U r saying he did not earn his genius but pilfered ANYTHING FROM anyone....trust me, U could not be more wrong.

Ariesjill

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OMG! Really? I can't WAIT!!!
Wasn't his mother a total <TWIBAT?

Kalim

This is often debated extremely hotly between scientists. You even have fists flying around.

Ariesjill

Not those who R ot stuck in their ivory towers and centrifuges, intellects and peer reviews. Not those who R anything like Mr. Einstein himself.....who "got" other living beings and nature and managed to maintain an intact viscera....the source of his brilliance, actually, as it so often is. Read=capacity to discern and itentifity truth.

No protocols & double blind studies needed. Like Leonardo.

And also not true....among those 'scientists" who have the option to learn the facts without unwitting bigotry, walls and hidden emotional agendas.

Scientists, like nation=comprise INDIVIDUALS, AND EACH
is entirely unique.

And most real individual, forget geniuses....will always scare the horses and threaten the unwhole.

It ain't wut U do....it's who U R and wut U Bring.....to any and all tables.

Lot of pathetic envious humans out there....lots of bigots as well. Einstein's mother was one of them. It's all bad.

Kalim....i hope U might B moved to find a copy of this book and gather some data and honor yr own differential judgement thereby....I am so looking forward to getting it.

Kalim

No. By those who work at CERN faculties instead and have both intelligence and wisdom to discern with or without pressure and cult followings. By those who are not social and mental wrecks and live healthy lives in all spheres. They are aware of much too much more than anyone outside the brink of physics degree level knowledge. People such as Van Hove, Penrose and many of the Nobel Laureates, professionals such as these and those at UCS, BMG, Fermilab, UPEI, PPARC, STFC NPG, Hardvard, NASA, USSA, SLAC, FAS, US DoEOS and so forth.

Zazula

"Einstein, stop telling God what to do." Niels Bohr

Ariesjill

I don't judge anyone's gravitas /expertise anymore... via thier CV, Kalim....started having to relinquish that dangerous thingy , and its spurious comforts, and with real anguish... in the Ivy League and at every point since. Truth is....most of Einsteiin's contributions came well after his first marriage and alliance with that wife so despised by is bogot mother....and yes, a tragic figure, no question.

Would also luv 2 know, given I don't and sense U do....if those u list above are of one mind in this.

Eyes by Marcel, again, can not be determined by CVs or wut appears someone's version of a normal life; things, more often than not....R not what they appear unless someone sees IN.

Far too many people relegeted to very limited tools to assess things.....I observe this every day and it always makes my tummy hurt. I don't mean that metaphorically.....alas. Virgo-rising=my "
Achilles heel" is in my GI tract. Too personal, right?

he whole issue of punditry... all I have discoveredf to date and always with pain about this ....cries out for addressing/exploring

All I hope, Kalim, is between filghts hither and yon....U might pick up a copy of this bio.
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Z in Greece: that is totally lame. Read the goodebump-making specifics of Einstein's version of God.....I was shockled to realize it is parallel to my own inner journey to date.....though he claimed he wasn't a Pantheist and I think I probably have emerged as one....organic journey, notihng formulaeic, not about studying theoracy.....though labels mean nothing as Shakespeare pointed out.
By the way, did U know that the first American President was an aetheist? Yea....George.

Truth is....Einstein "got"and was humbled by the specifics and staggering perfection of Natural world and The Universe...meaning GOD in a nuclear way outside the truncated, and often dangerlous sparating the spiritual from the corporal....and pruposefully... tenets of any organized religion.....so wut U posted.....totally inaccurate and tummy-hurting.

This is waaaay 2 deep f& incandescent for "arch" Z.....

Zazula

Jill, first look up who Mr. Bohr was, and then start mumbling. Oops, sorry for my lame suggesting too deep and incandescent things for you...

Ariesjill

I will....thought U cuold have explained for anhyone reading this thread....I just realized I am always moved to that....I hope he does standup and will soon have an HBO comedy special.
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OK I will paste one of the inks U might have....as opposed to the cryptic....in service of some wut....contest? I have no need to p;retend I am familiar with anything I am not yet.
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/p.../bohr-bio.html

My response is, So? By the way....not nly do CVs not imprese me...again, I come to nothing capriciusly....and I have no axes to grind there....neither do awards, or other kinds of approbaton from the orthodoxy within a given arena.

Zazula

People who aspire to connect to the highest possible level to science and philosophy, can at least spare themselves and others of hastened assumptions. This is called Empathy 101. And, by the way, it can really make our world a better place - so it can at the end of the day be beneficial if exercised by non philosophy devotees, too.

Spatcher

Jill

You don't have the book yet but you're insulting admins and telling people that they don't know what they are talking about. People actually do debate Einstein fiercly, and the ones who do it the most are the ones in
Plus you can't say the guy was near god just out of one biography. One biography cannot see both sides and draw a near perfect conclusion about him, nor can 10. The only way to say what you're saying about him is to physically go back in time and watch the man.

Oh, and just so you know, the amazon link is dead

Ariesjill

While increasingly and always without planning as I grow, I find myself naikling things in many arenas, again Eyes by Marcel....surely my work....in a kind of flash.... the underlying restored capacity for this is anything but hastened assumptions. It has all taken much work to earn.

Herein, Zazula....U cryptically allude to one person....as if U R using him as endorsement for wut yur take is.

forget the cryptic quote completely belies the dense truth as it can be owned by real data-gathering.....re Einstein and his evolved over his life....take on God.

He saw....with remarkably uncommon eyes....he IMPOSED NUTING ON NOBODY. If man exploited his work in the service of high end implements of human destruction...THAT, MY FRIEND, is imposing our pathetic, combative little agendas on the perfection of natural world and Einsteins's GOD, HELLO? wUT PART OF THIS IS NOT CLEAR???

If this isn't classic pot calling kettle black....I don know wut is!

Spatcher

The quote wasn't cryptic, it was Niels Bohr poking fun at Einstein, albeit with some truth to it. The quote has nothing to do with Einstein and his religious views, it has everything with how Einstein's views were so radical that they baffled everything that people knew - the only way I can explain it is by saying that it's as if Einstein told people that the Earth was round and could prove it in the days of the masses believing it was flat.

Ariesjill

1) Ok interesting....so my first take that he did stand up and, from the grave will soon have an HBO comedy special.....was right. But he will nevah B Lewis Black.

2) Not only am I now absent any old pain-driven need to act as if I know things I do not yet....who would want to, woud cost so much excitement every day.....including, in this, not getting the thrust of Z's post bearing only the quote......and, agreeing that we R each unique.....had I known about this guy and this quote, ...by instinct I would have prefaced the quote in the post by writing ("sardonic homage to Einstein by one of his colleagues.")


Why? Because the serious nature of the posts now center around debates re Einstein's veracity....I am convinced, by the bigoted, the stuck and the narrowly invested, blindly moved to impugn. So....do you see my point: that the sardonic essence needed indentifying?

Cept wut precludes this colleagial=humans needing to prove something about themselves (like tha relegation works, right? as opposed to the joy of heady exchanges between & among those who do not. Read+ emotionally stuck and authoritarian versus purely nteracting in the moment and authoritative in some way. The latter makes the molecules of all participants dance and r one of life's greatest privileges. "Moeclues" being metaphoric and not thread specific.

As it is.....for all MY inherent propensity toward full and sometimes exhausting delineation/EXPOSITION....some humans on this site complain that they do not get wut I have just posted.

So nowwww..... we have all learned and "R clear! This.....is excellent.

PS/Edit: i observe, first hand now, given, without ever planning or intending...I have emerged as original thinker/seer....not the same as when I was universally adored., which, being human I confess I sometimes miss...except it was at the expense of my real potential....I observe, that RADICAL.....IS DEFINED LARGELY BY BEAN COUNTERS, many wsiht impressive mainstream credential. ALL REAL VISIONARIES THREATEN THE ORTHODOXY; READ THE HISTORY OF JUST MEDICINE.

It marks every single arena....and it hurts my tummy. All of it.

Ariesjill

Addendum to Spatcher:

I don't have THIS book yet. i HAVE GATHERED DATA ON THIS HUMAN-[--and more things most peole can stand without keeling ovah....it all comes togehter now in my work--- from HS on. Have you?

Jeeeze....need I post this? Is this not obvious from my posts in this thread bearing hard data?

And when U earn my respect, forgive me, which, when anyone does, I am exactly like the Aye-Aye celebrating his grub though, without ingesting it.....people think I smoke crack.....when I might have the privilege of celebrating you as in any way some intact arbiter of anything......trust me, U will know.

So loose the sigh smilie, OK? I ain't patronizable, babe.

Thank U.

Edit: attaching sumthin 4 anyone savvy in this singjlar science/art...no coments fron anyone ignorant of the reality of this, please... and interested....albeit without accurate brithtime.....but all very predictable. If 2 small I will have 2 do photobucket. <Twibat> too teeny.

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