Teen driving rules

bry623 · 04-06-2007, 10:23 AM

I think it is good. Do you?

http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/new...4-06-0005.html

**carsey** · 04-06-2007, 10:41 AM

How stupid. Whats wrong with driving round with a car full of mates having a fun time. It would be boring driving round by yourself.

Also, what stops police pulling people over for a vehicle examination then nicking the driver for having too many friends.

Do societies now want us to have less friends?

**Joefireline** · 04-06-2007, 12:07 PM

Well, here it is 17+ before you can learn to drive, and they were apparently making that 18, but it doesn't seem to have been enforced. If you are under 17, I don't think you should be driving, you are still young, and not all that clever.
Well, if it wasn't for chavs, there would be hardly any accidents on roads, and they are the ones that knock our insurance bills right up! Well, not for me yet

**Drew1369** · 04-06-2007, 12:59 PM

<Law enforcement won't be able to pull teens over solely for having too many passengers. But they can be ticketed for the offense if stopped for another violation.>

Boom!!! Its nothing but a revenue generator! Therefor it was a waste of tax dollars to even bring that law into existence. Waste of time and not even a priority offense!

yustr · 04-06-2007, 01:56 PM

I think it's a reasonable limitation. We have similar here in Ct and nobody complains (except the kids and they don't count

) There are other limitations placed on teens also...

And doesn't the UK (or maybe its the EU) have limitations on horsepower or speed for new drivers? Not here. A 16 year old can go out and get a GSXR1000 that will do 180 mph. Now that's really dumb...

**TheAtheist** · 04-06-2007, 02:11 PM

As far as i know there is no HP limit on new drivers, however there is such a rule on new motorbike riders. 125cc for first two years or until 21

**forcifer** · 04-06-2007, 02:56 PM

thats retarded. adults are just mad because we are younger :P

**Drew1369** · 04-06-2007, 03:56 PM

A reasonable limitation??? how can that be when you can't be pulled over for it??!?!??!!!?!??!

**carsey** · 04-06-2007, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joefireline

Well, here it is 17+ before you can learn to drive, and they were apparently making that 18, but it doesn't seem to have been enforced. If you are under 17, I don't think you should be driving, you are still young, and not all that clever.
Well, if it wasn't for chavs, there would be hardly any accidents on roads, and they are the ones that knock our insurance bills right up! Well, not for me yet

They had better not raise the limit. Im 17 in Oct 26th and look forward to driving hugely.

I dont agree that chavs cause accidents. Its averaged that elderly people cause more accidents than the younger generations.

Quote:

According to the Study distractions led to significant increases in which drivers failed to respond and increase the time it took to respond to highway-traffic situations. Complex phone conversations created the greatest distraction. Relative increase in chances of a highway-traffic situation going unnoticed ranged up to 29% for complex phone conversations. A higher effect of cellular phone use & response to highway-traffic situations was the worst for the older age group ranging in age 50 to 80.

Some facts:

selected age groups of car drivers involved in accidents, by manoeuvre
Years : 1994-98 average

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library2/doc05/ras-00.htm

GarnetCompy · 04-06-2007, 09:30 PM

Very similar to laws already in existence here in Washington state. They say that it is to reduce distractions, however, this begs the question (and maybe I shouldn't bring it up, you know how lawmakers are) why aren't Cellular phones and other Distractions like food and drinks, etc, banned also?

Peculiar in my opinion that they wouldn't go the whole nine yds.

EDIT: 200 more posts and I'll have my TSF license, if you know what I mean.

**Drew1369** · 04-07-2007, 02:05 AM

I hit 500 and havn't gotten a thing :(

**Joefireline** · 04-07-2007, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carsey

They had better not raise the limit. Im 17 in Oct 26th and look forward to driving hugely.

I dont agree that chavs cause accidents. Its averaged that elderly people cause more accidents than the younger generations.

Some facts:

selected age groups of car drivers involved in accidents, by manoeuvre
Years : 1994-98 average

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/library2/doc05/ras-00.htm

That's a bit out of date...
And the Chavs are the ones causing a lot of accidents, they go round in their crappy cars, with their crappy music blasting away, on their crap speakers, and then drive fast because they want to show off, and then crash their car...

I often see dents and stuff in the chavs cars, and I just think, Sucker!
All chavs should be banned from driving, simply because they can't drive.

**TheAtheist** · 04-07-2007, 09:07 AM

Whilst i agree that chavs shouldnt be allowed to drive, it isnt becuase they cause the most accidents. It just so happens that when they do crash the media think " oh look some teenager crashed, probably a chav, listening to music so lets have a go at all teenage drivers becuase thats the commonly held belief" Thats why young drivers have such a bad name. Most are nowhere near as bad. So blame the media and old people when you get your first insurance quote for your first car. I know someone who's first insurance quote was £2000 becuase he had a fairly nice car he had done up. Thats the problem. He wasnt a poor driver, just a stereotypical view of insurance companies.

yustr · 04-07-2007, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarnetCompy

... why aren't Cellular phones and other Distractions like food and drinks, etc, banned also?

Peculiar in my opinion that they wouldn't go the whole nine yds.

EDIT: 200 more posts and I'll have my TSF license, if you know what I mean.

We have those too. Under 18 cannot use a cell phone - even with a hands-free device. It is illegal in all 50 States and the DC to drive while distracted...

yustr · 04-07-2007, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

I hit 500 and havn't gotten a thing :(

You mean you never got the bonus check? I'll have a word with accounting ...they seem to be falling behind in their responsibilities...

**forcifer** · 04-07-2007, 09:46 AM

i bet more people die from trying to drink coffee, other stuff then from having 4 other people in the car. not many teens drink coffee. and not in the car :P

**Drew1369** · 04-07-2007, 07:25 PM

Whats a chav?

**TheMatt** · 04-07-2007, 10:32 PM

This is kind of off topic, but I just learned that statistically red cars are more likely to get involved in an accident than other color cars. As a result, insurance premiums are higher.

How are red cars more dangerous?

I think I will just stick with my bike for the next 10 years.

yustr · 04-08-2007, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatt

...

How are red cars more dangerous?

...

They're not. It's the drivers who choose red cars that are more dangerous.

**Joefireline** · 04-08-2007, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatt

How are red cars more dangerous?

Due to it being more eye catching and distracting to other people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

Whats a chav?

A moron basicly...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetechmaster

Whilst i agree that chavs shouldnt be allowed to drive, it isnt becuase they cause the most accidents. It just so happens that when they do crash the media think " oh look some teenager crashed, probably a chav, listening to music so lets have a go at all teenage drivers becuase thats the commonly held belief" Thats why young drivers have such a bad name. Most are nowhere near as bad. So blame the media and old people when you get your first insurance quote for your first car. I know someone who's first insurance quote was £2000 becuase he had a fairly nice car he had done up. Thats the problem. He wasnt a poor driver, just a stereotypical view of insurance companies.

Well, I was talking about the chavs, not the younger drivers. I know plenty of non-chav good drivers, and all the bad ones, are chavs.

For the example you gave, he had expensive insurance due to him doing it up. If you moddify your car, the insurance is automaticly raised extremely high, which is fair enough... It's only really the chavs that modify their cars, as their cars really suck.

04-06-2007, 10:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Teen driving rules I think it is good. Do you? http://www.nbc4i.com/midwest/cmh/new...4-06-0005.html __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

04-06-2007, 10:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
carsey Moderator, TSF Articles Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hunwick, Co. Durham England Posts: 10,678 OS: XP Pro SP3 My System	Re: Teen driving rules How stupid. Whats wrong with driving round with a car full of mates having a fun time. It would be boring driving round by yourself. Also, what stops police pulling people over for a vehicle examination then nicking the driver for having too many friends. Do societies now want us to have less friends? __________________ Submit New Articles Here

04-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Joefireline Enthusiastic TSFer~Joseph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Portishead (Bristol) England Posts: 5,319 OS: Windows 7 64bit(Desktop) / XP Home SP2(laptop) My System	Re: Teen driving rules Well, here it is 17+ before you can learn to drive, and they were apparently making that 18, but it doesn't seem to have been enforced. If you are under 17, I don't think you should be driving, you are still young, and not all that clever. Well, if it wasn't for chavs, there would be hardly any accidents on roads, and they are the ones that knock our insurance bills right up! Well, not for me yet

04-06-2007, 12:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,430 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Teen driving rules <Law enforcement won't be able to pull teens over solely for having too many passengers. But they can be ticketed for the offense if stopped for another violation.> Boom!!! Its nothing but a revenue generator! Therefor it was a waste of tax dollars to even bring that law into existence. Waste of time and not even a priority offense! __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/ Last edited by Drew1369; 04-06-2007 at 01:03 PM.

04-06-2007, 01:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,050 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Teen driving rules I think it's a reasonable limitation. We have similar here in Ct and nobody complains (except the kids and they don't count ) There are other limitations placed on teens also... And doesn't the UK (or maybe its the EU) have limitations on horsepower or speed for new drivers? Not here. A 16 year old can go out and get a GSXR1000 that will do 180 mph. Now that's really dumb... __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

04-06-2007, 02:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,317 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: Teen driving rules As far as i know there is no HP limit on new drivers, however there is such a rule on new motorbike riders. 125cc for first two years or until 21

04-06-2007, 02:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
forcifer ole' Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,628 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Teen driving rules thats retarded. adults are just mad because we are younger :P __________________

04-06-2007, 03:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,430 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Teen driving rules A reasonable limitation??? how can that be when you can't be pulled over for it??!?!??!!!?!??! __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

04-06-2007, 09:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
GarnetCompy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 317 OS: Windows XP Pro / DOS 6.2 / Xandros Triboot My System	Re: Teen driving rules Very similar to laws already in existence here in Washington state. They say that it is to reduce distractions, however, this begs the question (and maybe I shouldn't bring it up, you know how lawmakers are) why aren't Cellular phones and other Distractions like food and drinks, etc, banned also? Peculiar in my opinion that they wouldn't go the whole nine yds. EDIT: 200 more posts and I'll have my TSF license, if you know what I mean. __________________ Go, Speed Racer, Go!! "Celerons are genuine Intels, just they are made of celery." - Ebackus, 12/29/05

04-07-2007, 02:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,430 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Teen driving rules I hit 500 and havn't gotten a thing :( __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

04-07-2007, 09:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,317 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: Teen driving rules Whilst i agree that chavs shouldnt be allowed to drive, it isnt becuase they cause the most accidents. It just so happens that when they do crash the media think " oh look some teenager crashed, probably a chav, listening to music so lets have a go at all teenage drivers becuase thats the commonly held belief" Thats why young drivers have such a bad name. Most are nowhere near as bad. So blame the media and old people when you get your first insurance quote for your first car. I know someone who's first insurance quote was £2000 becuase he had a fairly nice car he had done up. Thats the problem. He wasnt a poor driver, just a stereotypical view of insurance companies. Last edited by TheAtheist; 04-07-2007 at 09:09 AM.

04-07-2007, 09:46 AM	#16 (permalink)
forcifer ole' Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,628 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Teen driving rules i bet more people die from trying to drink coffee, other stuff then from having 4 other people in the car. not many teens drink coffee. and not in the car :P __________________

04-07-2007, 07:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,430 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Teen driving rules Whats a chav? __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

04-07-2007, 10:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: Teen driving rules This is kind of off topic, but I just learned that statistically red cars are more likely to get involved in an accident than other color cars. As a result, insurance premiums are higher. How are red cars more dangerous? I think I will just stick with my bike for the next 10 years. __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides