Boxing is being reintroduced in UK schools

mimo2005 · 01-31-2007, 04:42 AM

Boxing is being reintroduced in several schools to help pupils develop their mental and physical skills.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6312589.stm

**8210GUY** · 01-31-2007, 04:56 AM

Oh great stuff, as though the little baskets need to be taught how to be even more vicious.

**carsey** · 01-31-2007, 07:11 AM

~~Nik00117~~ · 01-31-2007, 12:04 PM

Boxing is a wonderful sport I myself have boxed and quite frankly it was fun.

Me and my buddy generally made the rule not to get too many headshots in etc. We normally went for back etc and it really didn't hurt...

Teachers can demand that they do not hit in the head if they do they loose.

**Joefireline** · 01-31-2007, 12:08 PM

I don't think they should do boxing, as in boxing, they only thing you really learn, is to beat the **** out of your oponate, if not kill them. They should do a marshall art, such as Tae kwon do. They also help you mentally.

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Originally Posted by 8210GUY

Oh great stuff, as though the little baskets need to be taught how to be even more vicious.

Not really, I am not vicious at all, never have been. That's the problem with a lot of older people, they stereotypicalise young people. They seem to think we're all scum, always going against the law, always getting into fights, stealing etc..
Well I've got news for you! We aren't, we don't. It is people like you that make us vicious. You have only got yourself to blame, so stop blaming us for everything bad, and start blaming yourself.

**Kalim** · 01-31-2007, 12:47 PM

I've boxed but that doesn't make it legitimate nor intelligent. :o
Thats sad news really, that they're reverting to medieval brain lengths in this day and age. Now watch with all the trouble "everywhere" it causes and how they whine and lament in foolish drama with the destruction to society they cause, playing God recklessly, while finding something ridiculously far fetched to blame to cover their own backsides for such daft decisions.

**8210GUY** · 01-31-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joefireline

Not really, I am not vicious at all, never have been. That's the problem with a lot of older people, they stereotypicalise young people. They seem to think we're all scum, always going against the law, always getting into fights, stealing etc..
Well I've got news for you! We aren't, we don't. It is people like you that make us vicious. You have only got yourself to blame, so stop blaming us for everything bad, and start blaming yourself.

Well as I don't know you I can't comment about what you are or aren't, BUT your quickness to bite shows the very type of thing I do find wrong in this country today, and it isn't myself I have to blame, I am a responsible parent who teaches their kids right from wrong brought up in the days of if your out with your parents you sit still and shut up until spoke to, although I do admit that is taking it to far these days, but it's a fact many kids are to quick to back chat their elders because they are to quick to jump the gun, in my day you'd get a dam good thrashing for such a thing, but you are partly correct if addressing the sorts of parents that allow their kids to do what they do.

The first question you should of asked yourself before biting was "am I a little basket ?", by your comments (biting aside) you are not, so therefore my comment was not including people like yourself, there are good kids around I do not deny (sadly not enough round here though), and those can clearly learn a lot of good things from such sports, but lets face it, the large attraction of violence to the baskets as I categorise them simply adds to their menace and by the nature of such a sport it is bound to attract them, thats the point I'm making, I'll treat a person on their merits, not their age\dress.

Thats the problem with putting something into writing, it isn't always easy to get the point over without somebody jumping to conclusions and taking it the wrong way, I take people at face value, if they act OK I'll treat them OK, act like an idiot and I'll treat them as such, is that not fair ?
But if you had to deal with the bullying and attacks my daughter has to because of the stereotypical yob, then you would understand why people feel the way they do about them.

Maybe if the good kids around policed the bad kids this country would get back on the right track, because there are a number of parents out there who would be horrified if they saw what their little angels got up to, and given the information of what their kids got up to one would hope they would straighten them out, so maybe waking up those over-trusting parents would be a start ?
I mean lets face it, who is most likely to know who is doing what these days ? it's the kids (in the general term of course), and by keeping silent about attacks\crime etc by the yobs, they are simply condoning it IMHO, I hope this helps you to understand a bit of why I said above what I did, it only counts toward the person reading it if they happen to be one of these basket's, if you are not then it does not apply to you, I do not stick a label on something purely because of age, and I hope you follow the same route and understand my points here.

**carsey** · 01-31-2007, 04:01 PM

Boxing is a great idea for self defense. If someone walks up to you in the street and smashes you in the face, its only fair they get a bashing back. In most cases, when they realise that people do hit back and they get hurt, they stop being a smarta55 and learn not to hit people.

**Joefireline** · 02-01-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 8210GUY

Well as I don't know you I can't comment about what you are or aren't, BUT your quickness to bite shows the very type of thing I do find wrong in this country today, and it isn't myself I have to blame, I am a responsible parent who teaches their kids right from wrong brought up in the days of if your out with your parents you sit still and shut up until spoke to, although I do admit that is taking it to far these days, but it's a fact many kids are to quick to back chat their elders because they are to quick to jump the gun, in my day you'd get a dam good thrashing for such a thing, but you are partly correct if addressing the sorts of parents that allow their kids to do what they do.

The first question you should of asked yourself before biting was "am I a little basket ?", by your comments (biting aside) you are not, so therefore my comment was not including people like yourself, there are good kids around I do not deny (sadly not enough round here though), and those can clearly learn a lot of good things from such sports, but lets face it, the large attraction of violence to the baskets as I categorise them simply adds to their menace and by the nature of such a sport it is bound to attract them, thats the point I'm making, I'll treat a person on their merits, not their age\dress.

Thats the problem with putting something into writing, it isn't always easy to get the point over without somebody jumping to conclusions and taking it the wrong way, I take people at face value, if they act OK I'll treat them OK, act like an idiot and I'll treat them as such, is that not fair ?
But if you had to deal with the bullying and attacks my daughter has to because of the stereotypical yob, then you would understand why people feel the way they do about them.

Maybe if the good kids around policed the bad kids this country would get back on the right track, because there are a number of parents out there who would be horrified if they saw what their little angels got up to, and given the information of what their kids got up to one would hope they would straighten them out, so maybe waking up those over-trusting parents would be a start ?
I mean lets face it, who is most likely to know who is doing what these days ? it's the kids (in the general term of course), and by keeping silent about attacks\crime etc by the yobs, they are simply condoning it IMHO, I hope this helps you to understand a bit of why I said above what I did, it only counts toward the person reading it if they happen to be one of these basket's, if you are not then it does not apply to you, I do not stick a label on something purely because of age, and I hope you follow the same route and understand my points here.

I understand what you are saying, it's just the way people tend to blame everything on the younger ones, and when anything bad happens, mess on streets, fights, to even murder, people tend to just go straight to thinking it's the younger people, when infact, it isn't us younger ones all the time, it's certainly never me.

And yea, I agree with you, that the parents who are over trusting, need to open their eyes, but my parents always trust me, because they know what sort of person I am, and would never do anything nasty to anyone or anything.

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and by keeping silent about attacks\crime etc by the yobs, they are simply condoning it IMHO,

Well, you could argue that, but sometimes that is hard to do, if you 'grass up' someone, they can offen come straight to you, with their stupid chavy friends (they wouldn't go alone) and you are basicly, stuffed. See my point?

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Originally Posted by carsey

Boxing is a great idea for self defense. If someone walks up to you in the street and smashes you in the face, its only fair they get a bashing back. In most cases, when they realise that people do hit back and they get hurt, they stop being a smarta55 and learn not to hit people.

I wouldn't say boxing is good self defence, as it is about attacking, a lot of marshal arts are better, instead of getting smashed in the face in the first place, the person takes a smack at you, you block it, use this technique to get them on the ground, and warn them off.

If they come back, instead of smashing them in the face, you trip them up so they crack their head open on the ground, and then you say 'he fell', and that's the end of that. It would be your word against his

**8210GUY** · 02-01-2007, 12:37 PM

I know exactly what you mean, they are gutless thugs, but by not standing up to them they win, it is the very thing they rely on and is why they are literally getting away with murder these days, but if you take the biggest hardest loudmouth (leader if you like) down then watch the rest run lol, more often than not anyway.

My daughter is under such threats etc ATM because of standing up to them, we support her all we can and it's reached the level of CID it's gotten so bad, but we will NOT let them get away with it, they are now starting to panic and we hope their parents will get a massive wake up call over it, because we aren't just leaving it to the police, we are bringing the council in as well, as it is them who have the power to evict them, and that is as bad as they can get so it is a wake up call, it's dealing with all the crap in the mean time, but it has to be done, and if enough people did it the country would get better very quickly IMHO, but in finishing just remember, you can report these things anonymously via crime stoppers, then you are never in the loop, it may not work as fast as face to face, but it gives those who can help the info that can hopefully bring them down one day, at least it's better than nothing.

**Joefireline** · 02-01-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 8210GUY

I know exactly what you mean, they are gutless thugs, but by not standing up to them they win, it is the very thing they rely on and is why they are literally getting away with murder these days, but if you take the biggest hardest loudmouth (leader if you like) down then watch the rest run lol, more often than not anyway.

Yea, I know what you mean, but in some cases, there is more than one 'loudmouth'.

The very best of luck to the problem with your daughter, it sounds really bad. I hope you can bring them down. Good luck.

**8210GUY** · 02-01-2007, 04:01 PM

I remember when I was about 18, came out the pub and the entire pavement across the shops was full of around 30 skinheads, it was obvious if I went round them I was going to get trouble, so I held my head high and walked through the middle of them, it was like parting the red sea lmao, not a single problem due to they didn't know what on earth to do, but dropping the biggest mouth in a couple of seconds and turning to the next you'd be surprised at their shock in someone turning on them that out numbered, but you are right about it being risky and should only be a last line of defence, I think of it as if I'm going down I'm taking as many as I can with me, and I wont be playing patacake, I'll be dropping them permanently so they wont be coming back, Thanks for your words of support anyway, I will beat them, just going the legal route first.

**Kalim** · 02-01-2007, 04:25 PM

Yes 8210GUY good luck from here too.

Its an ambiguous task to fight or halt, especially because your not the parent of the child who "causes" this. Its sad but angers me as I mentor in schools because I deal with it regularly.

Look after your daughter. The strain and mental pressure aswell as fear it puts on one is enormous and it usually scars them for life.

Talk about "skinheads" (you know those types you just know), I once got in a brawl walking on route home past a pub downtown NorthWest UK near Burnley, after an England footy match had just finished (won) and all the street was lined with fella's and beer.

Walking past they acted like ravaging herds and tried spilling drinks all over me and a lady I was with (around 40 of them) and then tried groping her all together. You don't want to know what pursued....

**Joefireline** · 02-02-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 8210GUY

I remember when I was about 18, came out the pub and the entire pavement across the shops was full of around 30 skinheads, it was obvious if I went round them I was going to get trouble, so I held my head high and walked through the middle of them, it was like parting the red sea lmao, not a single problem due to they didn't know what on earth to do, but dropping the biggest mouth in a couple of seconds and turning to the next you'd be surprised at their shock in someone turning on them that out numbered, but you are right about it being risky and should only be a last line of defence, I think of it as if I'm going down I'm taking as many as I can with me, and I wont be playing patacake,

Nice one!

There was one time, my brother told me about, there was like a whole group of people in year 11, who were all going against 1 sixth former, they went up to him, one tried to attack, so the sixth former just smashed him in the face, full pelt, one hit, and he regreted it, was on the ground crying, and he went to another one who was about to attack, and did basicly the same, and they all ran off.

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Originally Posted by Kalim

Yes 8210GUY good luck from here too.

Its an ambiguous task to fight or halt, especially because your not the parent of the child who "causes" this. Its sad but angers me as I mentor in schools because I deal with it regularly.

Look after your daughter. The strain and mental pressure aswell as fear it puts on one is enormous and it usually scars them for life.

Talk about "skinheads" (you know those types you just know), I once got in a brawl walking on route home past a pub downtown NorthWest UK near Burnley, after an England footy match had just finished (won) and all the street was lined with fella's and beer.

Walking past they acted like ravaging herds and tried spilling drinks all over me and a lady I was with (around 40 of them) and then tried groping her all together. You don't want to know what pursued....

Com'on, tell us

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8210GUY TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,558 OS: xp Pro	Oh great stuff, as though the little baskets need to be taught how to be even more vicious.

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~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Boxing is a wonderful sport I myself have boxed and quite frankly it was fun. Me and my buddy generally made the rule not to get too many headshots in etc. We normally went for back etc and it really didn't hurt... Teachers can demand that they do not hit in the head if they do they loose.

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Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	I've boxed but that doesn't make it legitimate nor intelligent. :o Thats sad news really, that they're reverting to medieval brain lengths in this day and age. Now watch with all the trouble "everywhere" it causes and how they whine and lament in foolish drama with the destruction to society they cause, playing God recklessly, while finding something ridiculously far fetched to blame to cover their own backsides for such daft decisions.

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8210GUY TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,558 OS: xp Pro	I know exactly what you mean, they are gutless thugs, but by not standing up to them they win, it is the very thing they rely on and is why they are literally getting away with murder these days, but if you take the biggest hardest loudmouth (leader if you like) down then watch the rest run lol, more often than not anyway. My daughter is under such threats etc ATM because of standing up to them, we support her all we can and it's reached the level of CID it's gotten so bad, but we will NOT let them get away with it, they are now starting to panic and we hope their parents will get a massive wake up call over it, because we aren't just leaving it to the police, we are bringing the council in as well, as it is them who have the power to evict them, and that is as bad as they can get so it is a wake up call, it's dealing with all the crap in the mean time, but it has to be done, and if enough people did it the country would get better very quickly IMHO, but in finishing just remember, you can report these things anonymously via crime stoppers, then you are never in the loop, it may not work as fast as face to face, but it gives those who can help the info that can hopefully bring them down one day, at least it's better than nothing.

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8210GUY TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,558 OS: xp Pro	I remember when I was about 18, came out the pub and the entire pavement across the shops was full of around 30 skinheads, it was obvious if I went round them I was going to get trouble, so I held my head high and walked through the middle of them, it was like parting the red sea lmao, not a single problem due to they didn't know what on earth to do, but dropping the biggest mouth in a couple of seconds and turning to the next you'd be surprised at their shock in someone turning on them that out numbered, but you are right about it being risky and should only be a last line of defence, I think of it as if I'm going down I'm taking as many as I can with me, and I wont be playing patacake, I'll be dropping them permanently so they wont be coming back, Thanks for your words of support anyway, I will beat them, just going the legal route first.

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Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	Yes 8210GUY good luck from here too. Its an ambiguous task to fight or halt, especially because your not the parent of the child who "causes" this. Its sad but angers me as I mentor in schools because I deal with it regularly. Look after your daughter. The strain and mental pressure aswell as fear it puts on one is enormous and it usually scars them for life. Talk about "skinheads" (you know those types you just know), I once got in a brawl walking on route home past a pub downtown NorthWest UK near Burnley, after an England footy match had just finished (won) and all the street was lined with fella's and beer. Walking past they acted like ravaging herds and tried spilling drinks all over me and a lady I was with (around 40 of them) and then tried groping her all together. You don't want to know what pursued....