Intel Takes Wraps Off 45 nm Penryn

crazijoe · 01-29-2007, 08:51 AM

AMD has a lot of catching up to do.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2087985,00.asp

ebackhus · 01-29-2007, 12:35 PM

Hmm, can't say I'm very impressed. I need to see numbers.

mimo2005 · 01-29-2007, 02:30 PM

i think that intel is leading the way !

http://www.newscientisttech.com/arti...ansistors.html

**JP198780** · 01-29-2007, 07:27 PM

dangg, new CPU out already...

what exactly is that? quad core?

**Kalim** · 01-29-2007, 07:45 PM

Nice but

**Kalim** · 01-30-2007, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP198780

dangg, new CPU out already...

what exactly is that? quad core?

Dual and Quad core processors.

**JP198780** · 01-30-2007, 01:02 PM

soo it's like a upgraded version of the C2D?

same platform or w.e as the C2D?

and what speed r these gonna run at?

**Kalim** · 01-30-2007, 01:48 PM

Well the architecture is called Penryn on 45nm fabs. There will be 2 such Intel CPU releases in 2008 that I know of yet: Dual Core Wolfdale and the Quad Core Yorkfield. I imagine them to be running at similar speeds to the Conroe's and the Kentsfield as no specs have been released yet. The power consumptions are much lower, CPU efficiency better, the architecture is revolutionary and includes SSE4 for the first time.

AMD's future releases are to be the Quad Core on-single-die "Barcelona" which is said to out-perform Intels Xeon 45nm Quad Core processors by 40%.

BTW some news: Intel is expected to cut cost of Dual and Quad core CPU's later this year on the 22nd April.

The Quad core Q6600 currently at $851 when sold in batches of 1,000 CPUs, will fall to $530.
The Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600, currently priced at $530 and $316, will drop to $316 and $224.
The E6400 and E6300 will fall to $183 and $163, from $224 and $183 and so on.

So keep hold of your wallets

Change is imminent.

crazijoe · 01-30-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalim

AMD's future releases are to be the Quad Core on-single-die "Barcelona" which is said to out-perform Intels Xeon 45nm Quad Core processors by 40%.

You probably need to rephrase that. They were comparing the Barcelona to the 5300 Xeons which is built on the 65nm process. The 45nm Xeons will not be out till 2nd half of this year.

**Kalim** · 01-30-2007, 02:10 PM

^ Thats right (a typo). Thanks crazijoe. AMD does have it though that their quad core's will outperform the the Intel ones set to release later this year including the Q6600, by a large margin. Thats why their efforts are on the single die approach right now.

ebackhus · 01-30-2007, 02:26 PM

And also in the way that the cores talk to each other. Intel's use of the FSB (which is slower than that of the FSB used by AMD) is the Achille's heel of the product. AMD was able to pound Intel in the past and I hardly think they're gonna just sit back and let things go on like they are.

**RZA** · 01-31-2007, 07:43 AM

Wow..how are we supposed to stay uptodate when there is always such constant change?

Just a few weeks ago I put together a new PC with the AM2 platform..and it's like..is that gona be replaced by a new one when the quad amd's come out? As for intel, does this mean a new board needed when those new cpu's come out?

I liked the idea of amd saying AM2 (when they first came out)being a universal socket for it's cpu's for the future, but that looks like it might change way too soon.

crazijoe · 02-01-2007, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZA

I liked the idea of amd saying AM2 (when they first came out)being a universal socket for it's cpu's for the future, but that looks like it might change way too soon.

Saying that is just like Bill Gates saying 640KB is more memory than anyone will ever need.
Or the E-Machine that will never get outdated because it's upgradable. Yeah...After you completely gut the case.

**Kalim** · 02-01-2007, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZA

Just a few weeks ago I put together a new PC with the AM2 platform..and it's like..is that gona be replaced by a new one when the quad amd's come out? As for intel, does this mean a new board needed when those new cpu's come out?

I liked the idea of amd saying AM2 (when they first came out)being a universal socket for it's cpu's for the future, but that looks like it might change way too soon.

Socket AM3 with DDR3 is to be released end of this year according to roadmaps to replace AM2, with the Dual/Quad cores being the lime light yes. They are mainly to replace the AMD Fx line.

Where AMD is said to out do Intel in the upcoming year is the FSB, the L3 cache, overall Dual/Quad core performance as well as processor speeds. Intel's fastest desktop CPU, most extreme yet - Kentsfield - runs at 2.67GHz while the bottom line AMD Quad core is said to be roughly at that speed.

crazijoe · 02-01-2007, 10:51 AM

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/Ou/?p=415&tag=nl.e060

**Kalim** · 02-01-2007, 11:05 AM

^ I have to agree with that. Technologically Intel is a year or so ahead. Whether that will reflect on performance and pricing is mostly what counts to users and will probably decide the year.

**RZA** · 02-01-2007, 11:09 AM

"AMD has confirmed that AM3 processors will work in AM2 motherboards; however, AM2 processors will not be compatible with AM3 motherboards. This is because AM2 chips lack the proper memory controller for DDR3 memory.."

"This has the benefit that anyone who buys a Socket AM2 motherboard will be able to freely upgrade to any AM3 processor in the future, ensuring that AM2 will have a long future and not become obsolete too soon."

Well that is good news.
In regards to AMD regaining the lead..I would have to wait and see. As much as I would love to see that..intel looks to be going full steam ahead and not looking back.

**TheMatt** · 02-01-2007, 12:32 PM

Intel has too much of a lead for AMD to come right back, and using DDR3 RAM certainly will not get them the lead. I am still putting my bet on Intel, and I can't wait to get some of that 45 nm goodness..

**Kalim** · 02-03-2007, 12:17 PM

TBH irregardless of the manufacturing lead, so far the AMD Windsor FX-72/74 both out do the Conroes in CPU performance apart from the Kentsfield. Now with the Opteron server quad-cores releasing, they're due to be much cheaper than the Intel lineup and better at performance too.

crazijoe · 02-05-2007, 05:33 AM

With businesses being more of the staple then consumers, A lot of companies (i.e. Sun) are switching to Intel because of power consumption and performance and not just on the power consumpution. With the advent of the 45nm process, you can gain more performance with the same effeciency.

01-29-2007, 08:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
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01-30-2007, 01:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	Well the architecture is called Penryn on 45nm fabs. There will be 2 such Intel CPU releases in 2008 that I know of yet: Dual Core Wolfdale and the Quad Core Yorkfield. I imagine them to be running at similar speeds to the Conroe's and the Kentsfield as no specs have been released yet. The power consumptions are much lower, CPU efficiency better, the architecture is revolutionary and includes SSE4 for the first time. AMD's future releases are to be the Quad Core on-single-die "Barcelona" which is said to out-perform Intels Xeon 45nm Quad Core processors by 40%. BTW some news: Intel is expected to cut cost of Dual and Quad core CPU's later this year on the 22nd April. The Quad core Q6600 currently at $851 when sold in batches of 1,000 CPUs, will fall to $530. The Core 2 Duo E6700 and E6600, currently priced at $530 and $316, will drop to $316 and $224. The E6400 and E6300 will fall to $183 and $163, from $224 and $183 and so on. So keep hold of your wallets Change is imminent.

01-30-2007, 02:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,313 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	And also in the way that the cores talk to each other. Intel's use of the FSB (which is slower than that of the FSB used by AMD) is the Achille's heel of the product. AMD was able to pound Intel in the past and I hardly think they're gonna just sit back and let things go on like they are. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

01-29-2007, 07:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
JP198780 TSF Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deptford, NJ Posts: 700 OS: XP Pro, Home My System	dangg, new CPU out already... what exactly is that? quad core?

01-29-2007, 07:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	Nice but

01-30-2007, 01:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
JP198780 TSF Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Deptford, NJ Posts: 700 OS: XP Pro, Home My System	soo it's like a upgraded version of the C2D? same platform or w.e as the C2D? and what speed r these gonna run at?

01-30-2007, 02:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	^ Thats right (a typo). Thanks crazijoe. AMD does have it though that their quad core's will outperform the the Intel ones set to release later this year including the Q6600, by a large margin. Thats why their efforts are on the single die approach right now.

01-31-2007, 07:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
RZA Student of the Art Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Scar town, T dot Posts: 1,642 OS: XP /98 /2000 My System	Wow..how are we supposed to stay uptodate when there is always such constant change? Just a few weeks ago I put together a new PC with the AM2 platform..and it's like..is that gona be replaced by a new one when the quad amd's come out? As for intel, does this mean a new board needed when those new cpu's come out? I liked the idea of amd saying AM2 (when they first came out)being a universal socket for it's cpu's for the future, but that looks like it might change way too soon. __________________ AM2 X2 3800 - Gigabyte GAM51GM - BGF7900GS OC - 2GBDDR2 - 360GB - Antec 550w - Samsung 19" LCD

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02-01-2007, 11:05 AM	#16 (permalink)
Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	^ I have to agree with that. Technologically Intel is a year or so ahead. Whether that will reflect on performance and pricing is mostly what counts to users and will probably decide the year.

02-01-2007, 11:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
RZA Student of the Art Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Scar town, T dot Posts: 1,642 OS: XP /98 /2000 My System	"AMD has confirmed that AM3 processors will work in AM2 motherboards; however, AM2 processors will not be compatible with AM3 motherboards. This is because AM2 chips lack the proper memory controller for DDR3 memory.." "This has the benefit that anyone who buys a Socket AM2 motherboard will be able to freely upgrade to any AM3 processor in the future, ensuring that AM2 will have a long future and not become obsolete too soon." Well that is good news. In regards to AMD regaining the lead..I would have to wait and see. As much as I would love to see that..intel looks to be going full steam ahead and not looking back. __________________ AM2 X2 3800 - Gigabyte GAM51GM - BGF7900GS OC - 2GBDDR2 - 360GB - Antec 550w - Samsung 19" LCD

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Kalim Roaming To Help Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,642 OS: Many	TBH irregardless of the manufacturing lead, so far the AMD Windsor FX-72/74 both out do the Conroes in CPU performance apart from the Kentsfield. Now with the Opteron server quad-cores releasing, they're due to be much cheaper than the Intel lineup and better at performance too.

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