My introductions

JupiterPrime · 06-03-2007, 11:24 AM

Hello,

I came here to hopefully fins some answers to issues with a new motherboard that keeps restarting te PC

keep trying to read this thread that was linked to from another forum, but keep getting bounced out of it for insufficient access privileges or some such nonsense...

Thanks.

**carsey** · 06-03-2007, 01:34 PM

**Glaswegian** · 06-03-2007, 01:59 PM

Hi and welcome to the TSF family - glad you found us.

Tumbleweed36 · 06-03-2007, 02:36 PM

Hello and welcome. Nice to see you here.

The link you have posted does not work any longer so that is why you keep getting booted out. If you have a specific problem we can help you with, post away and someone will be along to help shortly.

dai · 06-03-2007, 02:56 PM

hi and welcome to the forum

JohnthePilot · 06-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Hi there and Welcome aboard.

Please post your enquiry in the motherboard section of the hardware forum. In the meantime, here is the article you were looking for, courtesy of the author, linderman.

The purpose of this thread is to demonstrate an easy way to test your system prior to complete assembly. If you take the time to bench test your build prior to full assembly you will save yourself hordes of time in troubleshooting a faulty component.

The most efficient way to minimize lost time is assemble each part one piece at a time until operational stability is proven. The bench build is especially useful when troubleshooting a previously assembled system that has begun to show quirky instability problems, possibly caused by a case short or other similar problem which is hard to detect in an occupied case assemby.

Another major benefit to the bench build is the up-close inspection this method offers you, many times I have torn down a flaky system, bench assemble the parts and notice a burn spot, or debris in the video card slot, small plastic chip type debris has been found in the main motherboard connector which prevents full contact of all the pins in the main connector, another common discovery upon up-close visual inspection is burnt pins in the main connector or cpu power connector on the motherboard.

Here we will get started with the steps of bench building & testing. only the bare essentials here, no cd-rom drives, hard drives, floppy drives etc

A) Place the motherboard on top of a non-conductive surface. I personally favor the motherboard box itself as it allows the video card riser to ride past the bottom surface of the motherboard, this is an important consideration (see black arrow)

B) Install the CPU into the motherboard, here is an often made mistake, many fellas want to assemble the cooler heat/sink mounting frame to the motherboard prior to inserting the CPU, however after market coolers such as the Zalman 9500 frame stop the cpu lever from swinging open enough to open the socket lever to insert the cpu.
Therefore install the CPU into the motherboard cpu socket before mounting the heat sink frame. Make sure you align the golden arrow on the cpu die perimeter with the orientation mark on the motherboard socket (see manual)

C) Install the CPU heatsink / Fan combo and connect the fan wire to the CPU fan header on the motherboard, this is a very important step, many motherboards will not fire if the cpu fan is not activated, at the very least the cpu temps will rise immediatley and cause a thermal auto shutdown.

D) Insert one stick of memory; see motherboard manual for specific slot to be occupied for single stick operation, some motherboards will not fire up unless these rules are followed. Please adhere to the single stick memory install until we have achieved the "first" successful bios screen post.
Often times memory incompatibilites will cause a system not to post, these problems can be quickly identified if you install only one stick for our first post screen goal! (seldom does proven incompatible memory fail to start a system when single stick occupied)
Later in our bench testing we will go after the second post screen, then we can install the second stick, if you have a memory incompatability it will then show the dilemma withouth further loss of time!

E) Place the PSU on the bench and connect the motherboard main connector (20 pins or 24 pin) If your PSU uses a 20 + 4 connector (most units use this now) you will either leave the detachable four pin in place for a 24 pin main connector motherboard or you will detach the snap lock four pin from the 24pin connector to reduce the main connector to a 20 pin configuration.
Next step is attach the 4 pin square looking cpu power plug (some boards have an eight pin cpu power plug) make sure when inserting the four pin cpu power plug you "hear" the snap of the positive lock of the clip.
Many fellas make the common error of trying to use the detachable four pin connector from the 20+4 motherboard connector to power the CPU this does NOT work you must use the CPU power plug

F) Install the video card and the video card dedicated power plug if the card needs such a power plug. Make sure the video card riser extends past the bottom of the motherboard surface (see pic w/black arrow above)

G) Connect a keyboard and mouse to the motherboard. Connect a monitor to the video card, verify the monitor has power active. Connect the PSU power plug into the wall socket.

H) You have two options to start the system, you can assemble the test platform next to the case and just simply bring the case switch wires over to the motherboard as I have done in the picture below and use the button on the case for system activation. (see blue arrow)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Or you can use a small flat bladed screwdriver to just touch the two pins on the motherboard header, these are the same two pins that normally get occupied by the PWR Switch on the motherboard connector header. Simply touch those two pins together for about two seconds and then pull the screw driver away, it should fire up. If not check the switch on the back of the PSU to make sure the PSU switch is on?

at this point in the test you should see the post screeen ?????

if not; power off the system, inspect everything step by step for accuracy and try again, if still no joy.

Just kidding; swap memory sticks and try again ?

Things to check when the power is activated:

1) Does the CPU fan spin at start-up ?

2) are there any LED lights that are lit on the motherboard when the PSU is connected with the power active in the PSU ?

3) does the video card fan spin ?

4) when the power is active to the system on the bench does the monitor show a yellow or green stand-by light (next to the monitor power button)

Once you get to a post screen I advise you hang there for about half an hour in the bios screen and monitor CPU temps and get your bios settings configured while you are waiting out your temperature monitoring. Set the data & time if this is a new build, boot priority, etc

Now that you have the core components of the Motherboard, CPU, Video Card, two sticks of memory, Power Supply, Keyboard, Mouse & Monitor working; next we proceed to adding Cd-rom drive, Hard Drives, Floppy Drives and the Operating System. All components are added one at a time and verified working. If you build three systems you will receive one new dead part, guaranteed! Thats why installing one variable at a time will save you alot of grief in identifying that culprit when the reaper comes knocking.

in photo above the hard drive is active, floppy drive & cd-rom drive (dont forget jumper pin settings on your drives) and if the bios doesnt detect your drives, then you cant go any further with this process, you must correct that immediately, the bios must recognise your devices before you can use them at all! No drivers whatsoever have to be dealt with at this stage!
If you look closely at the monitor the hard drive is being formatted during the OS install.

Now that all components have been verified and the OS is installed, we can stuff all the "guts" into the case knowing that everything is operational, so if there are any problems we know we made the problems while installing into the case. One word of advice, make sure when you install the motherboard stand offs in the case you only use the motherboard mounting holes which have a silver ring around the hole, you DONT use the holes in the motherboard which dont have the silver ring around the perimeter of the hole!
Its very important that none of the metal surfaces on the bottom of the motherboard touch the case surface or you will create a nasty motherboard short!

if you encounter any difficulties with this material or need additional help, please start your own thread in the "Motherboard" section of the Hardware Forum. Feel free to Private Message (PM) me if needed.

Enjoy and hope it goes smoothly for you

Zazula · 06-03-2007, 06:22 PM

Hello, JupiterPrime, and welcome to TSF!

(Very good one, John!)

**Go The Power** · 06-04-2007, 01:52 AM

Hello and welcome to TSF, I hope you enjoy it here!

(Nice John

)

chauffeur2 · 06-04-2007, 03:07 AM

... Welcome to TSF!

**jen56** · 06-04-2007, 04:55 AM

Hope you enjoy your time here with us at TSF....

**kodi** · 06-04-2007, 01:03 PM

Welcome to Tech Support Forum, hope you enjoy it here

JupiterPrime · 06-07-2007, 07:50 AM

Thanks to everyone, and to JohnthePilot for reposting that information. I have been doing this sort of thing for some time now, but you never stop learning and there was a couple of things in your post that I didnt think of before that make a lot of sense and know I know even better.

My first issue was (and mind you it has been a VERY long while since I swapped a system out with a new mobo) was that after getting it all installed, and everything hooked back up, the OS wouldnt load, and it wasnt until a few tries later that I rememebered that the OS is looking for all teh original drivers and files related to the old mobo.

So I slapped myself and proceeded to get all my OS tools and did a clean install - was hoping to get away with not having to.

06-03-2007, 11:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
JupiterPrime Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 17 OS: XP Pro	My introductions Hello, I came here to hopefully fins some answers to issues with a new motherboard that keeps restarting te PC keep trying to read this thread that was linked to from another forum, but keep getting bounced out of it for insufficient access privileges or some such nonsense... Thanks. Last edited by chauffeur2; 06-04-2007 at 05:02 AM. Reason: Invalid Link

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JohnthePilot Manager, TSF Articles Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cheltenham, near Wales. Posts: 30,929 OS: XP Home SP3, PCLinux, Vista Home Premium SP1 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: My introductions Hi there and Welcome aboard. Please post your enquiry in the motherboard section of the hardware forum. In the meantime, here is the article you were looking for, courtesy of the author, linderman. The purpose of this thread is to demonstrate an easy way to test your system prior to complete assembly. If you take the time to bench test your build prior to full assembly you will save yourself hordes of time in troubleshooting a faulty component. The most efficient way to minimize lost time is assemble each part one piece at a time until operational stability is proven. The bench build is especially useful when troubleshooting a previously assembled system that has begun to show quirky instability problems, possibly caused by a case short or other similar problem which is hard to detect in an occupied case assemby. Another major benefit to the bench build is the up-close inspection this method offers you, many times I have torn down a flaky system, bench assemble the parts and notice a burn spot, or debris in the video card slot, small plastic chip type debris has been found in the main motherboard connector which prevents full contact of all the pins in the main connector, another common discovery upon up-close visual inspection is burnt pins in the main connector or cpu power connector on the motherboard. Here we will get started with the steps of bench building & testing. only the bare essentials here, no cd-rom drives, hard drives, floppy drives etc A) Place the motherboard on top of a non-conductive surface. I personally favor the motherboard box itself as it allows the video card riser to ride past the bottom surface of the motherboard, this is an important consideration (see black arrow) B) Install the CPU into the motherboard, here is an often made mistake, many fellas want to assemble the cooler heat/sink mounting frame to the motherboard prior to inserting the CPU, however after market coolers such as the Zalman 9500 frame stop the cpu lever from swinging open enough to open the socket lever to insert the cpu. Therefore install the CPU into the motherboard cpu socket before mounting the heat sink frame. Make sure you align the golden arrow on the cpu die perimeter with the orientation mark on the motherboard socket (see manual) C) Install the CPU heatsink / Fan combo and connect the fan wire to the CPU fan header on the motherboard, this is a very important step, many motherboards will not fire if the cpu fan is not activated, at the very least the cpu temps will rise immediatley and cause a thermal auto shutdown. D) Insert one stick of memory; see motherboard manual for specific slot to be occupied for single stick operation, some motherboards will not fire up unless these rules are followed. Please adhere to the single stick memory install until we have achieved the "first" successful bios screen post. Often times memory incompatibilites will cause a system not to post, these problems can be quickly identified if you install only one stick for our first post screen goal! (seldom does proven incompatible memory fail to start a system when single stick occupied) Later in our bench testing we will go after the second post screen, then we can install the second stick, if you have a memory incompatability it will then show the dilemma withouth further loss of time! E) Place the PSU on the bench and connect the motherboard main connector (20 pins or 24 pin) If your PSU uses a 20 + 4 connector (most units use this now) you will either leave the detachable four pin in place for a 24 pin main connector motherboard or you will detach the snap lock four pin from the 24pin connector to reduce the main connector to a 20 pin configuration. Next step is attach the 4 pin square looking cpu power plug (some boards have an eight pin cpu power plug) make sure when inserting the four pin cpu power plug you "hear" the snap of the positive lock of the clip. Many fellas make the common error of trying to use the detachable four pin connector from the 20+4 motherboard connector to power the CPU this does NOT work you must use the CPU power plug F) Install the video card and the video card dedicated power plug if the card needs such a power plug. Make sure the video card riser extends past the bottom of the motherboard surface (see pic w/black arrow above) G) Connect a keyboard and mouse to the motherboard. Connect a monitor to the video card, verify the monitor has power active. Connect the PSU power plug into the wall socket. H) You have two options to start the system, you can assemble the test platform next to the case and just simply bring the case switch wires over to the motherboard as I have done in the picture below and use the button on the case for system activation. (see blue arrow) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Or you can use a small flat bladed screwdriver to just touch the two pins on the motherboard header, these are the same two pins that normally get occupied by the PWR Switch on the motherboard connector header. Simply touch those two pins together for about two seconds and then pull the screw driver away, it should fire up. If not check the switch on the back of the PSU to make sure the PSU switch is on? at this point in the test you should see the post screeen ????? if not; power off the system, inspect everything step by step for accuracy and try again, if still no joy. Just kidding; swap memory sticks and try again ? Things to check when the power is activated: 1) Does the CPU fan spin at start-up ? 2) are there any LED lights that are lit on the motherboard when the PSU is connected with the power active in the PSU ? 3) does the video card fan spin ? 4) when the power is active to the system on the bench does the monitor show a yellow or green stand-by light (next to the monitor power button) Once you get to a post screen I advise you hang there for about half an hour in the bios screen and monitor CPU temps and get your bios settings configured while you are waiting out your temperature monitoring. Set the data & time if this is a new build, boot priority, etc Now that you have the core components of the Motherboard, CPU, Video Card, two sticks of memory, Power Supply, Keyboard, Mouse & Monitor working; next we proceed to adding Cd-rom drive, Hard Drives, Floppy Drives and the Operating System. All components are added one at a time and verified working. If you build three systems you will receive one new dead part, guaranteed! Thats why installing one variable at a time will save you alot of grief in identifying that culprit when the reaper comes knocking. in photo above the hard drive is active, floppy drive & cd-rom drive (dont forget jumper pin settings on your drives) and if the bios doesnt detect your drives, then you cant go any further with this process, you must correct that immediately, the bios must recognise your devices before you can use them at all! No drivers whatsoever have to be dealt with at this stage! If you look closely at the monitor the hard drive is being formatted during the OS install. Now that all components have been verified and the OS is installed, we can stuff all the "guts" into the case knowing that everything is operational, so if there are any problems we know we made the problems while installing into the case. One word of advice, make sure when you install the motherboard stand offs in the case you only use the motherboard mounting holes which have a silver ring around the hole, you DONT use the holes in the motherboard which dont have the silver ring around the perimeter of the hole! Its very important that none of the metal surfaces on the bottom of the motherboard touch the case surface or you will create a nasty motherboard short! if you encounter any difficulties with this material or need additional help, please start your own thread in the "Motherboard" section of the Hardware Forum. Feel free to Private Message (PM) me if needed. Enjoy and hope it goes smoothly for you __________________ Submit New Articles Here If you feel that TSF has helped you please make a donationand help to keep the forum free Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon Folding@Home - Team 85015

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06-07-2007, 07:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
JupiterPrime Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 17 OS: XP Pro	Re: My introductions Thanks to everyone, and to JohnthePilot for reposting that information. I have been doing this sort of thing for some time now, but you never stop learning and there was a couple of things in your post that I didnt think of before that make a lot of sense and know I know even better. My first issue was (and mind you it has been a VERY long while since I swapped a system out with a new mobo) was that after getting it all installed, and everything hooked back up, the OS wouldnt load, and it wasnt until a few tries later that I rememebered that the OS is looking for all teh original drivers and files related to the old mobo. So I slapped myself and proceeded to get all my OS tools and did a clean install - was hoping to get away with not having to.