whats more recognized in the IT field ?

bigblokey0 · 09-06-2009, 04:09 PM

whats more recognized in the IT field is it

A: Computer science degree ?

B: Qualifications like cisco and Microsoft ?

**Engineer Babar** · 09-07-2009, 11:50 AM

computer system engineering

misterecho · 09-08-2009, 01:19 AM

it depends on what you want to do.

most professional positions here in the uk require a good degree. Cisco and microsoft certifications are VERY likly to be included in most degrees now also.

get experience and qualifications

**Engineer Babar** · 09-08-2009, 05:37 AM

Experience is the most important factor.

**greenbrucelee** · 09-24-2009, 04:20 AM

what he said ^

Most employers will take a non qualified/certified candiate who has experience than one who has lots of certs or qulaification but no experience

Loope · 09-29-2009, 11:35 AM

yep yep, schooling and certs aside is it not uncommon to finish school and get certified and still do an internship. Most job apps I've been looking at state that an entry level position requires 1-3 yrs of experience... crazy right an entry level position requiring a yr of experience. I'm currently working towards an A.A.S. in Computer Technology, Information, and Engineering, and hope to get A+ in May and still won’t fully qualify for some entry level positions until my yr internship is done.

**Engineer Babar** · 09-29-2009, 12:37 PM

But do you people think that this is a healthy trend?? Experience is something but everybody has to start from some zero point.. So companies should must take this into account...

Loope · 09-29-2009, 12:39 PM

Right but start point around here now is an internship...

FreeNerd · 09-29-2009, 12:45 PM

In my experience in the US, experience is king. I find it's more important than both to interview well. You want to project your ability to complete the work, and your confidence in yourself without coming across as arrogant.

My personal motto is "LTR" in an interview. "Listen, Think, Respond". It's ok to sit for a moment in silence while you consider your answer, as long as your answer is accurate. If you don't know do NOT try to BS it.

FreeNerd · 09-29-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by greenbrucelee

what he said ^

Most employers will take a non qualified/certified candiate who has experience than one who has lots of certs or qulaification but no experience

This is very true. I obtained my CCNA last year with a passing score of 910 out of 1000. Every NOC job I applied for after I got the cert opted for the experienced guys over my certification and rightly so. I have the knowledge in my head, but I often refer to manuals and the Cisco support site to sort out issues, that an experienced tech would resolve in 1/10th the time.

If you are not working in the field now, take any support job you can now. Even if it's largely non technical, gaining experience in user interaction and support will go a long ways for you.

**2xgrump** · 09-30-2009, 09:17 PM

It doesn't matter if you have Comp Science degree or Cisco or you're MCSE........I'm with all of you, just like what Eng. Babar said Exp. is the most impt. factor. I had a couple of job interview couple of years ago and 90% of the questions are technical questions and answers are all related to your experience. Certs are now just optional. Interviewers still ask for it but again it's more about your experience.

**Engineer Babar** · 10-01-2009, 09:58 AM

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again.
Franklin P. Jones

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Originally Posted by Loope

Right but start point around here now is an internship...

Rightly said, But do you think that 6 months or 1 year experience is enough to get a good position in any company??

Loope · 10-01-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Engineer Babar

But do you think that 6 months or 1 year experience is enough to get a good position in any company??

Hardly, but a year and a good referance will help get your foot in the door.

FreeNerd · 10-01-2009, 10:08 AM

Show up, work hard. Spend a bit of your personal time at home learning new skills. If you put forth the effort to separate yourself from the pack, someone will notice. Might be with a new company, but someone will notice.

There is no quick road into a new career.... well maybe real estate. But there is no quick road into a technical career.

Loope · 10-01-2009, 10:09 AM

well said FreeNerd...

**Engineer Babar** · 10-01-2009, 10:17 AM

I think loope also said right.. Nowadays a good reference also plays a role... Consider for sometime that we are the nephews and nieces of Bill Gates and how come we don't get a good position in Microsoft??

bigblokey0 · 10-08-2009, 05:08 AM

well my plan is to do my mcdst course at college whilst trying to get on the job training in the IT field

**greenbrucelee** · 10-08-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigblokey0

well my plan is to do my mcdst course at college whilst trying to get on the job training in the IT field

That is the best idea

Certifications and qualifications along with experience is better than someone who has lots of certifications and no experience but experience can beat everything.

I know a guy who's only qualification is 9 GCSEs he did a school and his best grade was a D in English but because he worked part time in an IT repair shop until he left school at 16 he walked straight into an IT job doing systems analysis.

He now earns £250000 a year and has just moved to the states to work for a company in Boise doing consultancy and he is only 29.

Since gaining experience he has gotten lots of certs including the one (can't remember the name of it) where you can only get it if invited to do it by Microsoft.

**bilbus** · 10-12-2009, 03:31 AM

Get a degree, you can get a cert later.

Unless you want to be stuck doing tech support for your whole life .. a degree is worth more.

FreeNerd · 10-12-2009, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilbus

Get a degree, you can get a cert later.

Unless you want to be stuck doing tech support for your whole life .. a degree is worth more.

Completely inaccurate advice for the technical field. You might need the degree to get to the Sr. Management level, but for technical administration jobs experience is king.

I can recall two or three guys fresh out of college with big degrees asking me questions on how to support technology they had the knowledge to support, according to their degrees anyway.

Most fields the degree is key, in Information Technology proven ability to do the work rules, not a degree.

If you do want the degree, get a job with a large company doing support and let them cover as much of the degree as possible. Getting the degree first will leave you an "educated idiot" in the IT field.

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Loope Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 90 OS: XP Pro SP3; Vista SP2; Win 7 RTM My System	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? yep yep, schooling and certs aside is it not uncommon to finish school and get certified and still do an internship. Most job apps I've been looking at state that an entry level position requires 1-3 yrs of experience... crazy right an entry level position requiring a yr of experience. I'm currently working towards an A.A.S. in Computer Technology, Information, and Engineering, and hope to get A+ in May and still won’t fully qualify for some entry level positions until my yr internship is done. __________________ "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." -Gen George S. Patton

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Engineer Babar TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 720 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? But do you people think that this is a healthy trend?? Experience is something but everybody has to start from some zero point.. So companies should must take this into account... __________________ Who copyrighted the copyright symbol?

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Loope Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 90 OS: XP Pro SP3; Vista SP2; Win 7 RTM My System	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? Right but start point around here now is an internship... __________________ "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." -Gen George S. Patton

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FreeNerd Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 238 OS: Windows 7/Vista/XP	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? In my experience in the US, experience is king. I find it's more important than both to interview well. You want to project your ability to complete the work, and your confidence in yourself without coming across as arrogant. My personal motto is "LTR" in an interview. "Listen, Think, Respond". It's ok to sit for a moment in silence while you consider your answer, as long as your answer is accurate. If you don't know do NOT try to BS it. __________________ “Criticism is something we can avoid easily by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing” ~ Aristotle

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2xgrump Mentor Networking Forums Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,000 OS: Vista-sp2/Win2003Server-R2/SBS2003/XP-sp3	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? It doesn't matter if you have Comp Science degree or Cisco or you're MCSE........I'm with all of you, just like what Eng. Babar said Exp. is the most impt. factor. I had a couple of job interview couple of years ago and 90% of the questions are technical questions and answers are all related to your experience. Certs are now just optional. Interviewers still ask for it but again it's more about your experience. __________________ Networking Forums "Peace" RD

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FreeNerd Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 238 OS: Windows 7/Vista/XP	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? Show up, work hard. Spend a bit of your personal time at home learning new skills. If you put forth the effort to separate yourself from the pack, someone will notice. Might be with a new company, but someone will notice. There is no quick road into a new career.... well maybe real estate. But there is no quick road into a technical career. __________________ “Criticism is something we can avoid easily by saying nothing, doing nothing, and being nothing” ~ Aristotle

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Loope Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 90 OS: XP Pro SP3; Vista SP2; Win 7 RTM My System	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? well said FreeNerd... __________________ "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." -Gen George S. Patton

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Engineer Babar TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 720 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? I think loope also said right.. Nowadays a good reference also plays a role... Consider for sometime that we are the nephews and nieces of Bill Gates and how come we don't get a good position in Microsoft?? __________________ Who copyrighted the copyright symbol?

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bigblokey0 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: shropshire Posts: 78 OS: vista	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? well my plan is to do my mcdst course at college whilst trying to get on the job training in the IT field

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bilbus TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 949 OS: OS2 Warp	Re: whats more recognized in the IT field ? Get a degree, you can get a cert later. Unless you want to be stuck doing tech support for your whole life .. a degree is worth more.