Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector?

PhoenyxRising · 06-29-2009, 12:19 AM

This is interesting to say the least. Have a look at this.

According to Computer Weekly, Lloyds has been giving IT jobs to Indian candidates.

I'm not biased, but what does that mean for the rest of us in the UK? We're more than good enough, but it makes me think, is it because its cheaper to give those jobs to them, or are they more skilled than we are?

What do you think?

Mellijelli · 07-06-2009, 04:08 AM

Hiya PhoenyxRising

This seems a bit biased does it not??, surely getting a job would depend on your skills not the color of ur skin right? .... reading the article and i see that they recon the Indian workers being brought in are not all up to scratch as far as experience goes so its definitely not that they are better qualified than the UK workers, I think that its all about cheap labor hey? I just find it really unfair when work is so scarce as it is to be giving the jobs that are available to foreigners.

PhoenyxRising · 07-12-2009, 07:58 AM

hiya mellijelli

In my opinion, its because they are so cheap that they are hired. Instead of looking at skills they look at cost. It is unfair knowing that the UK skills and experience greatly outweigh those of the candidates recruited to these positions, but management is probably more than likely trying to salvage sinking ships, and are willing to do it by any means necessary.

like i said... who really knows

Mellijelli · 07-14-2009, 01:48 AM

Well the thing with sinking ships Phoenyx is that if they are trying to get them afloat again, poor work performance and lack of efficiency is not going to do it, a business gets its credit from the quality of work given to the public and for a business to run smoothly you need people working for you that actually know what they are doing, or they will just pull the business down more

PhoenyxRising · 07-14-2009, 02:15 AM

Thats just it. HOW do you run a company if half the people there don't know wots going on? Its like driving blind really.

I mean lets say for instance your PC crashes. You don't get a post screen at all.

You take it to a company thats hired one of them, and they look at you with a vacant expression. ( metaphorically speaking). Hes not going to know where to troubleshoot, or even what to begin with.

But i have read as well that the UK has the most skilled people around (:D:D) maybe we just cost too much.

Mellijelli · 07-20-2009, 01:09 AM

Exactly so the quality of service a person will be getting is questionable, Id rather fix my pc myself at least that way I know the problem will be sorted, im afraid to let anyone work on my pc as it is

PhoenyxRising · 07-23-2009, 01:41 AM

To be honest ive never been happier that i have my qualifications. It means if something ( heaven forbid) happens to my pc I CAN actually fix it myself.

It just seems against good business practices to have inexperienced staff. They tend to cost you more in the long run.

Mellijelli · 08-03-2009, 12:15 AM

Yes of course its going to, but the thing is it's not only going to cost the company but also the people who's pcs they will be working on, if the staff is unskilled they surely gna mess up your pc more than anything else and its fantastic for anyone who can actually work on their own pc at home without having to take it in and have it repaired but where does it leave the other that cant do this for themselves?

PhoenyxRising · 08-06-2009, 02:12 AM

A friend of mine went through something similar. I'd have had the techy's head on a platter a LONG time ago. He singlehandedly made her buy a new pc because of the damage he caused.

She took her PC in for a ram change, and thats it. a simple ram change. but the techy in his infinite wisdom damaged either the hardware or something weird.

In the end, he fiddled in repair consoles that he clearly didnt know how to code in and ended yp destropying the PC.

I mean a simple RAM change is five minutes work if the modules arent damaged.... It turned into a week long battle.

Unless ofcourse they rewrote the rule book since the last time i took my exams. (

)

its stupid sometimes really. I suppose if you take it to a techy for anything. its best you question their knowledge about everything PC. Ask for credentials of you can. youre likely to get a better service from someone qualified than someone that just "knows" about PC's

Mellijelli · 08-06-2009, 07:19 AM

mmmm id flip if that had to happen to me, I cant believe that the entire PC was mucked up for a simple RAM replacement its just to be slotted in

how do they employ these people in the first place??, surely not any person who claims to know how a PC works can be hired to fiddle around on someones PC who will be paying for a professional service in return... seems a bit ridiculous to me

PhoenyxRising · 08-07-2009, 12:53 AM

Its stupid if you ask me. WHO in their right minds employs a person that isnt qualified to do what they are paid to do. People dont want to mess around with someone that LOOKS like they know wot theyre doing and end up being a fake, they want results.

Mellijelli · 08-07-2009, 12:57 AM

Yeah and to replace a PC

i mean come on now thats costly, it once again boils down to cheap labour

PhoenyxRising · 08-09-2009, 08:20 AM

I mean to give credit where its due, not ALL of them are like that. and in the long run when everyones searching for the best bargains whi are ya goin to go to?

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 08-09-2009, 02:35 PM

Computer engineers of India and Pakistan are very genius and intelligent. Thats why they find good jobs in the UK. IT professionals of both the countries are also awesome. Some of the big hackers of the world belong to the above mentioned two countries. I am not favouring hacking but it requires intelligent brain to do it. hehehe

PhoenyxRising · 08-10-2009, 12:16 AM

Its true tho. lol it takes a special kind of genius to be a hacker. Im not saying everyone is like that, Its just from experience that the conclusion was made.

All i meant by it was that companies need to seriously check qualifications before hiring people in to specialised areas.

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 08-10-2009, 11:29 AM

yeah companies should must check but less qulified people are more cheap to hire. lolz

PhoenyxRising · 08-11-2009, 12:41 AM

True, but the amount of money that a company could waste having to fix problems created by those people end up making them not so cheap labour. :D

Mellijelli · 08-11-2009, 12:43 AM

hehehe Iv always wondered what it would be like to be a hacker, but you have to know ur stuff in and out no room for errors

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 08-11-2009, 01:05 AM

hahahahha. If anyone wants to be a hacker, he can visit Asia especially India and Pakistan. The reason why companies hire Indians and Pakis is that they are hardworking people by birth. They can work both in airconditioner and in the sahara desert. hehehehehe

Mellijelli · 08-11-2009, 01:49 AM

yes im sure how you are brought up would play a huge part in how hard you are willing to work it's all about ethics, I was taught to look after what you have and to work hard for everything I own and want, its a good life lesson to give to any child from small, but honestly the only job id be willing to do in the dessert would be as an archeologist or something like that, although iv done some pretty tough work in my day from packing heavy boxes (back and arm breaking work

), hitting tills from 7am-7pm for minimal wage amongst others, but im not complaining, it all adds to life experience, hard work never killed anyone just makes you stronger and more determined.

06-29-2009, 12:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? This is interesting to say the least. Have a look at this. According to Computer Weekly, Lloyds has been giving IT jobs to Indian candidates. I'm not biased, but what does that mean for the rest of us in the UK? We're more than good enough, but it makes me think, is it because its cheaper to give those jobs to them, or are they more skilled than we are? What do you think?

07-06-2009, 04:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Hiya PhoenyxRising This seems a bit biased does it not??, surely getting a job would depend on your skills not the color of ur skin right? .... reading the article and i see that they recon the Indian workers being brought in are not all up to scratch as far as experience goes so its definitely not that they are better qualified than the UK workers, I think that its all about cheap labor hey? I just find it really unfair when work is so scarce as it is to be giving the jobs that are available to foreigners.

07-12-2009, 07:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? hiya mellijelli In my opinion, its because they are so cheap that they are hired. Instead of looking at skills they look at cost. It is unfair knowing that the UK skills and experience greatly outweigh those of the candidates recruited to these positions, but management is probably more than likely trying to salvage sinking ships, and are willing to do it by any means necessary. like i said... who really knows

07-14-2009, 01:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Well the thing with sinking ships Phoenyx is that if they are trying to get them afloat again, poor work performance and lack of efficiency is not going to do it, a business gets its credit from the quality of work given to the public and for a business to run smoothly you need people working for you that actually know what they are doing, or they will just pull the business down more

07-14-2009, 02:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Thats just it. HOW do you run a company if half the people there don't know wots going on? Its like driving blind really. I mean lets say for instance your PC crashes. You don't get a post screen at all. You take it to a company thats hired one of them, and they look at you with a vacant expression. ( metaphorically speaking). Hes not going to know where to troubleshoot, or even what to begin with. But i have read as well that the UK has the most skilled people around (:D:D) maybe we just cost too much.

07-20-2009, 01:09 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Exactly so the quality of service a person will be getting is questionable, Id rather fix my pc myself at least that way I know the problem will be sorted, im afraid to let anyone work on my pc as it is

07-23-2009, 01:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? To be honest ive never been happier that i have my qualifications. It means if something ( heaven forbid) happens to my pc I CAN actually fix it myself. It just seems against good business practices to have inexperienced staff. They tend to cost you more in the long run.

08-03-2009, 12:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Yes of course its going to, but the thing is it's not only going to cost the company but also the people who's pcs they will be working on, if the staff is unskilled they surely gna mess up your pc more than anything else and its fantastic for anyone who can actually work on their own pc at home without having to take it in and have it repaired but where does it leave the other that cant do this for themselves?

08-06-2009, 02:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? A friend of mine went through something similar. I'd have had the techy's head on a platter a LONG time ago. He singlehandedly made her buy a new pc because of the damage he caused. She took her PC in for a ram change, and thats it. a simple ram change. but the techy in his infinite wisdom damaged either the hardware or something weird. In the end, he fiddled in repair consoles that he clearly didnt know how to code in and ended yp destropying the PC. I mean a simple RAM change is five minutes work if the modules arent damaged.... It turned into a week long battle. Unless ofcourse they rewrote the rule book since the last time i took my exams. () its stupid sometimes really. I suppose if you take it to a techy for anything. its best you question their knowledge about everything PC. Ask for credentials of you can. youre likely to get a better service from someone qualified than someone that just "knows" about PC's

08-06-2009, 07:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? mmmm id flip if that had to happen to me, I cant believe that the entire PC was mucked up for a simple RAM replacement its just to be slotted in how do they employ these people in the first place??, surely not any person who claims to know how a PC works can be hired to fiddle around on someones PC who will be paying for a professional service in return... seems a bit ridiculous to me

08-07-2009, 12:53 AM	#11 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Its stupid if you ask me. WHO in their right minds employs a person that isnt qualified to do what they are paid to do. People dont want to mess around with someone that LOOKS like they know wot theyre doing and end up being a fake, they want results.

08-07-2009, 12:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Yeah and to replace a PC i mean come on now thats costly, it once again boils down to cheap labour

08-09-2009, 08:20 AM	#13 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? I mean to give credit where its due, not ALL of them are like that. and in the long run when everyones searching for the best bargains whi are ya goin to go to?

08-09-2009, 02:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 720 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Computer engineers of India and Pakistan are very genius and intelligent. Thats why they find good jobs in the UK. IT professionals of both the countries are also awesome. Some of the big hackers of the world belong to the above mentioned two countries. I am not favouring hacking but it requires intelligent brain to do it. hehehe

08-10-2009, 12:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? Its true tho. lol it takes a special kind of genius to be a hacker. Im not saying everyone is like that, Its just from experience that the conclusion was made. All i meant by it was that companies need to seriously check qualifications before hiring people in to specialised areas.

08-10-2009, 11:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 720 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? yeah companies should must check but less qulified people are more cheap to hire. lolz

08-11-2009, 12:41 AM	#17 (permalink)
PhoenyxRising Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 121 OS: XP service pack 2 My System	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? True, but the amount of money that a company could waste having to fix problems created by those people end up making them not so cheap labour. :D

08-11-2009, 12:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? hehehe Iv always wondered what it would be like to be a hacker, but you have to know ur stuff in and out no room for errors

08-11-2009, 01:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 720 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? hahahahha. If anyone wants to be a hacker, he can visit Asia especially India and Pakistan. The reason why companies hire Indians and Pakis is that they are hardworking people by birth. They can work both in airconditioner and in the sahara desert. hehehehehe

08-11-2009, 01:49 AM	#20 (permalink)
Mellijelli Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 61 OS: Windows XP Service pack 2	Re: Are Lloyd's playing favourites in the IT sector? yes im sure how you are brought up would play a huge part in how hard you are willing to work it's all about ethics, I was taught to look after what you have and to work hard for everything I own and want, its a good life lesson to give to any child from small, but honestly the only job id be willing to do in the dessert would be as an archeologist or something like that, although iv done some pretty tough work in my day from packing heavy boxes (back and arm breaking work ), hitting tills from 7am-7pm for minimal wage amongst others, but im not complaining, it all adds to life experience, hard work never killed anyone just makes you stronger and more determined.