Using 2 Routers

soljarag · 08-19-2008, 10:43 PM

Hey

I'm trying to set up this network:

I got everything working EXCEPT I cannot get on the internet with the two computers upstairs....when I am on the 2 computers upstairs I can see the files on the computer that is connected wired and wirelessly

Can anyone help?

oh, and all of the computers are running windows xp

**peterhuang913** · 08-19-2008, 10:56 PM

Using the two routers are a bridge is easier.

**lazareth1** · 08-19-2008, 11:30 PM

Agreed. Bride the 2 routers to create 1 network.

soljarag · 08-20-2008, 06:55 AM

can you give me some details on how to do this?

I have no idea how to bridge routers

DavidAdams · 08-20-2008, 07:17 AM

Join the Ethernet ports on the routers with the Cat5, you may need to set one of the ports on one of the routers as an uplink port.

kirann · 08-20-2008, 07:23 AM

you need to setup the defalt gatway of your upstaires computer to the router. Same time in you upstaires router put default route pointed to internet router i.e. router downstairs. Try this it may help you.

soljarag · 08-20-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirann

you need to setup the defalt gatway of your upstaires computer to the router. Same time in you upstaires router put default route pointed to internet router i.e. router downstairs. Try this it may help you.

Ok.. I did the gateways for the upstairs computers, but how do I do that for the router?

Define a static route?

**johnwill** · 08-20-2008, 05:15 PM

Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together.

Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the capability to supply more than one IP address using DHCP server capability. No changes are made to the primary "router" configuration.

Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in the primary router. For instance DHCP server addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100, I'd assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's IP address, 192.168.0.253 for another router, etc.

Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect to the router again for the remaining changes.

Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router.

Setup the wireless section just the way you would if it was the primary router, channels, encryption, etc.

Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. Leave the WAN port unconnected!

This procedure bypasses the routing function (NAT layer) and configures the router as a switch (or wireless access point for wireless routers).

For reference, here's a link to a Typical example config using a Netgear router

**lazareth1** · 08-20-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnwill

Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together.

Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the capability to supply more than one IP address using DHCP server capability. No changes are made to the primary "router" configuration.

Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in the primary router. For instance DHCP server addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100, I'd assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's IP address, 192.168.0.253 for another router, etc.

Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect to the router again for the remaining changes.

Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router.

Setup the wireless section just the way you would if it was the primary router, channels, encryption, etc.

Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. Leave the WAN port unconnected!

This procedure bypasses the routing function (NAT layer) and configures the router as a switch (or wireless access point for wireless routers).

For reference, here's a link to a Typical example config using a Netgear router

I was just waiting for this to get posted cause it helps a lot.

soljarag · 08-31-2008, 08:09 PM

hey guys.. I finally had time to mess with this again...

I'm doing something slightly different from that link you gave me... the routers are not directly connected

Heres what I have set up now... and I cannot get internet on the 192.168.1.52 and .53 computers...

I tried a 192.168.0.1 gateway and 0.99 gateway and nothing worked.. anyone have any other suggestions?

**simpswr** · 08-31-2008, 08:14 PM

Look at JohnWill's post . . it works!

soljarag · 08-31-2008, 08:30 PM

but his post has me directly connecting the routers with a hard wire... which i cannot do

**simpswr** · 08-31-2008, 08:37 PM

If you can connect from the downstairs router to the upstairs Router, why can't you connect to the upstairs router instead??

soljarag · 08-31-2008, 08:55 PM

:) huh? Check out my diagram

Oh.. and I just noticed when I have BOTH my wireless connection and the LAN hardwire connection enabled on the computer with 2 connections (192.168.0.4 / 192.168.0.51) I cannot get on the internet... but if i disable the lan hardwire connection... it allows me to get on the internet

**lazareth1** · 08-31-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soljarag

but his post has me directly connecting the routers with a hard wire... which i cannot do

Why not? Your best bet with this is to follow johnwills advice and connect the 2 routers together.

soljarag · 08-31-2008, 09:03 PM

so when I enable the LAN connection... the icon that the arrow is pointing to dissapears

soljarag · 08-31-2008, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazareth1

Why not? Your best bet with this is to follow johnwills advice and connect the 2 routers together.

why not?? because one router is upstairs and one is downstairs!!

**lazareth1** · 08-31-2008, 09:15 PM

Ok then you will have to use the wireless then in place of the wired connection. Disable the wirless connection on that computer (192.168.0.4) and let the upstairs router connect the the downstairs router.

Then try a pinf test from an upstairs computer to the upstairs router. If this works, then try another ping test from an upstairs computer to the downstairs router.

08-19-2008, 10:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Using 2 Routers Hey I'm trying to set up this network: I got everything working EXCEPT I cannot get on the internet with the two computers upstairs....when I am on the 2 computers upstairs I can see the files on the computer that is connected wired and wirelessly Can anyone help? oh, and all of the computers are running windows xp

08-19-2008, 10:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
peterhuang913 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 946 OS: XP Home SP2	Re: Using 2 Routers Using the two routers are a bridge is easier.

08-19-2008, 11:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
lazareth1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 1,294 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: Using 2 Routers Agreed. Bride the 2 routers to create 1 network. __________________ Prime95\|Everest Ultimate Edition\|How to do a repair install of XP\|Bench Testing "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted"

08-20-2008, 06:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Re: Using 2 Routers can you give me some details on how to do this? I have no idea how to bridge routers

08-20-2008, 07:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
DavidAdams Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5 OS: Vista Business	Re: Using 2 Routers Join the Ethernet ports on the routers with the Cat5, you may need to set one of the ports on one of the routers as an uplink port.

08-20-2008, 07:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
kirann Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2 OS: xp	Re: Using 2 Routers you need to setup the defalt gatway of your upstaires computer to the router. Same time in you upstaires router put default route pointed to internet router i.e. router downstairs. Try this it may help you. Last edited by kirann; 08-20-2008 at 07:26 AM.

08-20-2008, 05:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,983 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: Using 2 Routers Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together. Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the capability to supply more than one IP address using DHCP server capability. No changes are made to the primary "router" configuration. Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in the primary router. For instance DHCP server addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100, I'd assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's IP address, 192.168.0.253 for another router, etc. Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect to the router again for the remaining changes. Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router. Setup the wireless section just the way you would if it was the primary router, channels, encryption, etc. Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. Leave the WAN port unconnected! This procedure bypasses the routing function (NAT layer) and configures the router as a switch (or wireless access point for wireless routers). For reference, here's a link to a Typical example config using a Netgear router __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

08-31-2008, 08:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Re: Using 2 Routers hey guys.. I finally had time to mess with this again... I'm doing something slightly different from that link you gave me... the routers are not directly connected Heres what I have set up now... and I cannot get internet on the 192.168.1.52 and .53 computers... I tried a 192.168.0.1 gateway and 0.99 gateway and nothing worked.. anyone have any other suggestions?

08-31-2008, 08:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 12,330 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: Using 2 Routers Look at JohnWill's post . . it works! __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

08-31-2008, 08:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Re: Using 2 Routers but his post has me directly connecting the routers with a hard wire... which i cannot do

08-31-2008, 08:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 12,330 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: Using 2 Routers If you can connect from the downstairs router to the upstairs Router, why can't you connect to the upstairs router instead?? __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

08-31-2008, 08:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Re: Using 2 Routers :) huh? Check out my diagram Oh.. and I just noticed when I have BOTH my wireless connection and the LAN hardwire connection enabled on the computer with 2 connections (192.168.0.4 / 192.168.0.51) I cannot get on the internet... but if i disable the lan hardwire connection... it allows me to get on the internet

08-31-2008, 09:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
soljarag Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp sp3	Re: Using 2 Routers so when I enable the LAN connection... the icon that the arrow is pointing to dissapears

08-31-2008, 09:15 PM	#18 (permalink)
lazareth1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 1,294 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: Using 2 Routers Ok then you will have to use the wireless then in place of the wired connection. Disable the wirless connection on that computer (192.168.0.4) and let the upstairs router connect the the downstairs router. Then try a pinf test from an upstairs computer to the upstairs router. If this works, then try another ping test from an upstairs computer to the downstairs router. __________________ Prime95\|Everest Ultimate Edition\|How to do a repair install of XP\|Bench Testing "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted"