half wired half wifi - can it work?

cityguy · 08-31-2006, 08:51 AM

Overview:

From PC1 wireless to router(dg834g) > wired to bridge (wg1022) > wireless to repeater (wg1022) > from repeater wired to PC2

Explained:

PC1 is on the otherside of a building to PC2. i NEED an extended network to connect the two workstations.

I've devised the following setup and in theory it should work. So i'm asking for further help before i deploy this setup.

PC1 to wireless connect to a Netgear router (dg834g). Then that's wired to a netgear bridge (wg1022) which is then wireless across a delivery yard to a wireless repeater (wg1022) which is then wired to a workstation(PC2).

Possible? If not why not. Thanks.

**Bill_Castner** · 08-31-2006, 09:08 AM

Because of the bandwidth lost in repeater operations, this will be very slow. I would use powerline ethernet adapters and accomplish what you are trying to do for less than US$ 90.

See:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030108S0003
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW2...030103_network

cityguy · 08-31-2006, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_Castner

Because of the bandwidth lost in repeater operations, this will be very slow. I would use powerline ethernet adapters and accomplish what you are trying to do for less than US$ 90.

See:
http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030108S0003
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW2...030103_network

have you used this powerline ethernet topology before? My site is pretty big and it claims its good for home and small business. But my building is pretty big!

**Bill_Castner** · 08-31-2006, 02:40 PM

I have used it on large sites before and in 32-story buildings.
The "newer" powerline adapters can cross multi-phase installations.

Buy the adapters locally from a site that allows returns; or over the Internet from a site such as Amazon. I use the Netgear adapters.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Netgear_XE10...-21057065.html

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**johnwill** · 08-31-2006, 04:52 PM

IMO, unless running cable is virtually impossible, I'd go with the cable before I'd use these things. If you do buy them, be sure to heed Bill's advice to buy where you can return them. If your experience is like mine, you'll be returning them.

**JamesO** · 08-31-2006, 07:44 PM

If you have any unused coaxial cable between the locations, these IPTV 7000 units work quite well and can tolerate 50 dB of cable loss!

http://www.coaxsys.com/products/iptv_7000.php

They can also be networked in a star configuration with up to 8 units as well.

The spec says 250 foot cable run with splitters, but this is very conservative.

You can probably run close to 1000+ feet point to point without any splitters.

I use these from time to time when coax is available.

Now if you need to mix data with with standard CATV, the TVNetC work with almost anything except the Verizon FIOS TV system. Again, these can be connected in a star configuration with up to 8 units. Note, the TVNetC units cannot run the distance of the IPTV 7000 units due the RF frequency used. These units are probably limited to about 300 feet of cable length.

http://www.coaxsys.com/products/tvnet_c.php

I have had mixed results with the powerline network adapters in some configurations.

I used them at times, but only in some instances.

JamesO

**Bill_Castner** · 08-31-2006, 08:30 PM

I have used powerline networking as bridge devices in several locations and am pleased with them. If I could have run cable I probably would have.

But if cable proved too expensive or impossible, I would use these devices before I would use a wireless bridge. It is faster, more secure and more stable. They were in the instances that I used substantially lower in cost than a cable run or a wireless bridge. I have never returned any I have bought either.

The devices over the last two and half years are nothing like previous incarnations. And 85 mbs devices are now becoming available because the Powerline Alliance finally agreed on a common standard for its implementation; see, for example, http://www.actiontec.com/products/ho...plug/index.php

If you look around the Web you can find serious network folks endorsing Powerline as a solution for a setting like yours, including:

PcMagazine Lab
Mark Gibbs, "Gearhead" Network World
David Strom, InternetWorld, Author of several Windows Networking books
Fred Langa, Langa Letters
Bill_Castner
and many others.....

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08-31-2006, 08:51 AM	#1 (permalink)
cityguy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 9 OS: winxp/linux ubuntu	half wired half wifi - can it work? Overview: From PC1 wireless to router(dg834g) > wired to bridge (wg1022) > wireless to repeater (wg1022) > from repeater wired to PC2 Explained: PC1 is on the otherside of a building to PC2. i NEED an extended network to connect the two workstations. I've devised the following setup and in theory it should work. So i'm asking for further help before i deploy this setup. PC1 to wireless connect to a Netgear router (dg834g). Then that's wired to a netgear bridge (wg1022) which is then wireless across a delivery yard to a wireless repeater (wg1022) which is then wired to a workstation(PC2). Possible? If not why not. Thanks.

08-31-2006, 09:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bill_Castner Users Helping Users Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,029 OS: XP SP2 Vista Win2k	Because of the bandwidth lost in repeater operations, this will be very slow. I would use powerline ethernet adapters and accomplish what you are trying to do for less than US$ 90. See: http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030108S0003 http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW2...030103_network __________________ MS-MVP Windows Networking VSOP AUMHA Forums MVM BroadbandReports / DSLR MVP Tek-Tips

08-31-2006, 02:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bill_Castner Users Helping Users Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,029 OS: XP SP2 Vista Win2k	I have used it on large sites before and in 32-story buildings. The "newer" powerline adapters can cross multi-phase installations. Buy the adapters locally from a site that allows returns; or over the Internet from a site such as Amazon. I use the Netgear adapters. http://reviews.cnet.com/Netgear_XE10...-21057065.html . __________________ MS-MVP Windows Networking VSOP AUMHA Forums MVM BroadbandReports / DSLR MVP Tek-Tips

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johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,960 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	IMO, unless running cable is virtually impossible, I'd go with the cable before I'd use these things. If you do buy them, be sure to heed Bill's advice to buy where you can return them. If your experience is like mine, you'll be returning them. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

08-31-2006, 07:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
JamesO Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fairfax, VA USA Posts: 2,289 OS: 98SE, W2k Pro, XP Pro	If you have any unused coaxial cable between the locations, these IPTV 7000 units work quite well and can tolerate 50 dB of cable loss! http://www.coaxsys.com/products/iptv_7000.php They can also be networked in a star configuration with up to 8 units as well. The spec says 250 foot cable run with splitters, but this is very conservative. You can probably run close to 1000+ feet point to point without any splitters. I use these from time to time when coax is available. Now if you need to mix data with with standard CATV, the TVNetC work with almost anything except the Verizon FIOS TV system. Again, these can be connected in a star configuration with up to 8 units. Note, the TVNetC units cannot run the distance of the IPTV 7000 units due the RF frequency used. These units are probably limited to about 300 feet of cable length. http://www.coaxsys.com/products/tvnet_c.php I have had mixed results with the powerline network adapters in some configurations. I used them at times, but only in some instances. JamesO Last edited by JamesO; 08-31-2006 at 07:46 PM.

08-31-2006, 08:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bill_Castner Users Helping Users Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,029 OS: XP SP2 Vista Win2k	I have used powerline networking as bridge devices in several locations and am pleased with them. If I could have run cable I probably would have. But if cable proved too expensive or impossible, I would use these devices before I would use a wireless bridge. It is faster, more secure and more stable. They were in the instances that I used substantially lower in cost than a cable run or a wireless bridge. I have never returned any I have bought either. The devices over the last two and half years are nothing like previous incarnations. And 85 mbs devices are now becoming available because the Powerline Alliance finally agreed on a common standard for its implementation; see, for example, http://www.actiontec.com/products/ho...plug/index.php If you look around the Web you can find serious network folks endorsing Powerline as a solution for a setting like yours, including: PcMagazine Lab Mark Gibbs, "Gearhead" Network World David Strom, InternetWorld, Author of several Windows Networking books Fred Langa, Langa Letters Bill_Castner and many others..... . __________________ MS-MVP Windows Networking VSOP AUMHA Forums MVM BroadbandReports / DSLR MVP Tek-Tips