D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100

**REMA** · 06-23-2009, 04:29 AM

Hello I have 2 pc's one with a Billion 5102SM ADSL 2+ modem and i am just wonder which of the above would be best ...kids will play online games...Is it possible/ better to buy a wired router...can these be used as wired modem and would this help improve speeds if the son on the wireless connected Pc went from just surfing the net to playing on line ??
thanks for any help
Ps we are in Sweden so some popular USA/Canadian makes may not be available.
thanks

**johnwill** · 06-23-2009, 11:03 AM

Well, you have a modem/wireless router with the Billion 5102SM, so I'm not sure what else you think you need.

**REMA** · 06-23-2009, 12:23 PM

Ok ....thanks for the reply johnwill ..the modem I have is the BILLION BIPAC 5102SM if that makes any difference...At the back of the modem I have one power connection point, one reset point, one LAN port and one ADSL port for the cable from the ASDL telephone adapter socket.
I am by this point guessing that you're guessing (quiet rightly as it happens) that I don't know a lot about this stuff.
What I am trying to achieve is to have an internet connection on this PC and an internet connection (assumed for ease to be wireless connection) on my NEW HOME BUILT PC ...that came with a faulty, though NOT dead motherboard and which the good people here help me sort out and aided me in building my very first PC...for which I am eternally grateful. :-)
If I don't need a router can you please advise me how I can get both PC's connected with the same ISP.
many thanks

**johnwill** · 06-23-2009, 05:18 PM

OK, you have a one port wired router, I had the wrong model. With this model, you can add a plain Ethernet switch for wired connections. For wired and wireless connections, you can probably pick up something like a D-Link DIR-615, which is an inexpensive 802.11n router and configure it as follows.

Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together.

Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the capability to supply more than one IP address using DHCP server capability. No changes are made to the primary "router" configuration.

Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in the primary router. For instance DHCP server addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100, I'd assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's IP address, 192.168.0.253 for another router, etc.

Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect to the router again for the remaining changes.

Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router.

Setup the wireless section just the way you would if it was the primary router, channels, encryption, etc.

Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. Leave the WAN port unconnected!

This procedure bypasses the routing function (NAT layer) and configures the router as a switch (or wireless access point for wireless routers).

For reference, here's a link to a Typical example config using a Netgear router

**REMA** · 06-25-2009, 10:37 AM

hello...you are going to think I am thick...but didn't understand much of what you've written.
However The set up I have is a BILLION BIPAC 5102SM Modem which is connected by a CAT 5 Patch cable (is this an ethernet cable?) to my old PC (running XP Pro)...I now have a D-link DKT-410 router (DIR-635 router with DWA-140 wireless N USB Mini Adapter package.)

I would want my new Pc (running Vista 64 bit) to have the stabler or faster connection... the layout of the flat and phone point (ADSL connection) makes it more logical to have the old Pc connected to the router by ethernet cable and the new Pc wireless though....

Q1.Could there be a lot of difference is speed between Pc connected with ethernet cable to router and the one connected wirelessly?
Q2. I assume that I install the software that came with the router on the PC that is going to use wireless? Or can I install it on both PC's ?
Q3. if at times speeds are not ok on the wireless connection, can I simply connect the wireless connected PC temporarily by ethernet cable via the router?

thanks for any help advise you can give
signed....Lost

**johnwill** · 06-25-2009, 11:41 AM

Well, you should be able to have full speed Internet connectivity with wired or wireless. I have a 20mbit/5mbit fiber connection, and my wireless machines can download at full bandwidth from the service. Obviously file/print sharing on your local network will be slower over wireless connections that wired connections.

**REMA** · 06-25-2009, 12:18 PM

Thanks for the reply...thats good news then.
Do you have any thoughts on Q2. and Q3. ? Especially points in Q2.

Thanks again

**johnwill** · 06-26-2009, 07:12 AM

You need NO software on any machine to configure and use a router. All you need is contained in the web based setup embedded in the router. Skip the first section in the manual and look for the router's web based configuration instructions, all you need is a browser.

**REMA** · 06-27-2009, 10:39 AM

Thanks for the help johnwill..... I went for the D-link...It took all day to install and I am not quiet sure what I did (even after help fromtech support it did not work). The advice from my ISP on how to check that my modem was bridged just didn't work as the IP adress was , or must have been simply wrong, though I had the details on email and even rang them to confirm....
Anyway I surgested to the D-link support guy that it may be the USB receiver that needed upgrading/flashing and I had previously D/L this just in case...he however assured me that he had an update that wasn't yet posted on the site and that he would email it to me , which he has not and has now gone on holiday...the swedish support guy at Kaspersky did exactly the same with some info HE surgested I should have...Is itjust ME...Sweden or are a lot of tech support......these forums excluded...unreliable...anyway I digress.
I re-entered my encrytion password on line...this I had already done with D-Link tech support , then per their instructions re-started PC. A while laterafter trying various things I tried thai again but did not start PC . i then put in the USB key cotaining the updated firmware BUT I did not run it, WHEN ALL of a sudden I saw the little world appear down in the right hand corner of my my screen... :-)

Genius ...I told the kids...didn't wash...had to admit I had no idea why it started to work...
Anyway I have left things at default...NIS 2009 is showing my wireless network as secure...I can see other security enabled networks , but I believe this is normal,,,,,'

Anyway thanks again and have a pleasant weekend and Summer

**johnwill** · 06-28-2009, 08:07 AM

We like random success, it keeps it interesting.

Hopefully, it'll keep working.

**REMA** · 06-28-2009, 12:10 PM

Random....and short lived unfortunately......don't know why it started...and I don't know why it stopped....originally showed that I had a network but would not connect... I have tried running the set-up again and I updated the drivers from their website...but based on newer drivers having higher numbers then these were older than the ones on disc so i re ran the software set up...now i am getting nothing ....

**REMA** · 06-28-2009, 02:01 PM

Well having messed about for 3 hours....its working again...why I don't know.....I am running vista home premium 64 bit...could this be a problem?
I got to the stage where it would not recognise the D-link usb device...and windows could not find drivers for the 802.11 or whatever...and this show in device manager so I connected with the ethernet cable Cat5 and did a windows update that Down loaded the drivers for the DWA-140 wireless N USB Mini Adapter . After several tries and moving the adapter from usb port to usb (using the safely remove hardware option every time) it worked....This is a different usb port then before when it was working before. Can't see any problems in device manager at all...including USB devices.

Any ideas?...guess i should contact there tech support ?
Thanks

**johnwill** · 06-29-2009, 09:42 AM

Well, lots of folks have had their issues with Vista-64. When I installed Vista, I started with the 64 bit version, but gave up with all the driver issues and dropped back to the 32 bit version.

I'm currently running Windows 7 64-bit, and the drivers were less of an issue, though there are still a few glitches.

**REMA** · 06-29-2009, 10:02 AM

thanks for reply...I contacted their Tech-support and tolsd them what had happened ...though it hard to trouble-shoot something that is working....However I told them to keep the case open for a while just to see if I have the same problem again.

Thanks for your time... :-)

**johnwill** · 06-30-2009, 07:53 AM

Hopefully, the issue will never surface again.

**REMA** · 08-01-2009, 09:50 AM

hello johnwill...hope the summer is going fine...I am still having problems with the router/wireless connection...it works for a few days then it stops for a few days..the wireless connection show that the wireless connection is available but I can't connect to it.
D-Link has gone quiet on this .....
I found this on microsoft site and wondered if this may have something to do with things.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233
Note I don't really understand what its telling me....does the word "Gulid" refer to an HEX number string?
I SUSPECT THIS IS NOT THE solution though and that the flag is set ok but I'am not sure how to varify this...
thanks

06-23-2009, 04:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Hello I have 2 pc's one with a Billion 5102SM ADSL 2+ modem and i am just wonder which of the above would be best ...kids will play online games...Is it possible/ better to buy a wired router...can these be used as wired modem and would this help improve speeds if the son on the wireless connected Pc went from just surfing the net to playing on line ?? thanks for any help Ps we are in Sweden so some popular USA/Canadian makes may not be available. thanks

06-23-2009, 11:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Well, you have a modem/wireless router with the Billion 5102SM, so I'm not sure what else you think you need. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-23-2009, 12:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Ok ....thanks for the reply johnwill ..the modem I have is the BILLION BIPAC 5102SM if that makes any difference...At the back of the modem I have one power connection point, one reset point, one LAN port and one ADSL port for the cable from the ASDL telephone adapter socket. I am by this point guessing that you're guessing (quiet rightly as it happens) that I don't know a lot about this stuff. What I am trying to achieve is to have an internet connection on this PC and an internet connection (assumed for ease to be wireless connection) on my NEW HOME BUILT PC ...that came with a faulty, though NOT dead motherboard and which the good people here help me sort out and aided me in building my very first PC...for which I am eternally grateful. :-) If I don't need a router can you please advise me how I can get both PC's connected with the same ISP. many thanks

06-23-2009, 05:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 OK, you have a one port wired router, I had the wrong model. With this model, you can add a plain Ethernet switch for wired connections. For wired and wireless connections, you can probably pick up something like a D-Link DIR-615, which is an inexpensive 802.11n router and configure it as follows. Connecting two (or more) SOHO broadband routers together. Note: The "primary" router can be an actual router, a software gateway like Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing, or a server connection that has the capability to supply more than one IP address using DHCP server capability. No changes are made to the primary "router" configuration. Configure the IP address of the secondary router(s) to be in the same subnet as the primary router, but out of the range of the DHCP server in the primary router. For instance DHCP server addresses 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.100, I'd assign the secondary router 192.168.0.254 as it's IP address, 192.168.0.253 for another router, etc. Note: Do this first, as you will have to reboot the computer to connect to the router again for the remaining changes. Disable the DHCP server in the secondary router. Setup the wireless section just the way you would if it was the primary router, channels, encryption, etc. Connect from the primary router's LAN port to one of the LAN ports on the secondary router. If there is no uplink port and neither of the routers have auto-sensing ports, use a cross-over cable. Leave the WAN port unconnected! This procedure bypasses the routing function (NAT layer) and configures the router as a switch (or wireless access point for wireless routers). For reference, here's a link to a Typical example config using a Netgear router __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-25-2009, 10:37 AM	#5 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 hello...you are going to think I am thick...but didn't understand much of what you've written. However The set up I have is a BILLION BIPAC 5102SM Modem which is connected by a CAT 5 Patch cable (is this an ethernet cable?) to my old PC (running XP Pro)...I now have a D-link DKT-410 router (DIR-635 router with DWA-140 wireless N USB Mini Adapter package.) I would want my new Pc (running Vista 64 bit) to have the stabler or faster connection... the layout of the flat and phone point (ADSL connection) makes it more logical to have the old Pc connected to the router by ethernet cable and the new Pc wireless though.... Q1.Could there be a lot of difference is speed between Pc connected with ethernet cable to router and the one connected wirelessly? Q2. I assume that I install the software that came with the router on the PC that is going to use wireless? Or can I install it on both PC's ? Q3. if at times speeds are not ok on the wireless connection, can I simply connect the wireless connected PC temporarily by ethernet cable via the router? thanks for any help advise you can give signed....Lost Last edited by REMA; 06-25-2009 at 11:03 AM.

06-25-2009, 11:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Well, you should be able to have full speed Internet connectivity with wired or wireless. I have a 20mbit/5mbit fiber connection, and my wireless machines can download at full bandwidth from the service. Obviously file/print sharing on your local network will be slower over wireless connections that wired connections. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-25-2009, 12:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Thanks for the reply...thats good news then. Do you have any thoughts on Q2. and Q3. ? Especially points in Q2. Thanks again

06-26-2009, 07:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 You need NO software on any machine to configure and use a router. All you need is contained in the web based setup embedded in the router. Skip the first section in the manual and look for the router's web based configuration instructions, all you need is a browser. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-27-2009, 10:39 AM	#9 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Thanks for the help johnwill..... I went for the D-link...It took all day to install and I am not quiet sure what I did (even after help fromtech support it did not work). The advice from my ISP on how to check that my modem was bridged just didn't work as the IP adress was , or must have been simply wrong, though I had the details on email and even rang them to confirm.... Anyway I surgested to the D-link support guy that it may be the USB receiver that needed upgrading/flashing and I had previously D/L this just in case...he however assured me that he had an update that wasn't yet posted on the site and that he would email it to me , which he has not and has now gone on holiday...the swedish support guy at Kaspersky did exactly the same with some info HE surgested I should have...Is itjust ME...Sweden or are a lot of tech support......these forums excluded...unreliable...anyway I digress. I re-entered my encrytion password on line...this I had already done with D-Link tech support , then per their instructions re-started PC. A while laterafter trying various things I tried thai again but did not start PC . i then put in the USB key cotaining the updated firmware BUT I did not run it, WHEN ALL of a sudden I saw the little world appear down in the right hand corner of my my screen... :-) Genius ...I told the kids...didn't wash...had to admit I had no idea why it started to work... Anyway I have left things at default...NIS 2009 is showing my wireless network as secure...I can see other security enabled networks , but I believe this is normal,,,,,' Anyway thanks again and have a pleasant weekend and Summer

06-28-2009, 08:07 AM	#10 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 We like random success, it keeps it interesting. Hopefully, it'll keep working. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-28-2009, 12:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Random....and short lived unfortunately......don't know why it started...and I don't know why it stopped....originally showed that I had a network but would not connect... I have tried running the set-up again and I updated the drivers from their website...but based on newer drivers having higher numbers then these were older than the ones on disc so i re ran the software set up...now i am getting nothing ....

06-28-2009, 02:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Well having messed about for 3 hours....its working again...why I don't know.....I am running vista home premium 64 bit...could this be a problem? I got to the stage where it would not recognise the D-link usb device...and windows could not find drivers for the 802.11 or whatever...and this show in device manager so I connected with the ethernet cable Cat5 and did a windows update that Down loaded the drivers for the DWA-140 wireless N USB Mini Adapter . After several tries and moving the adapter from usb port to usb (using the safely remove hardware option every time) it worked....This is a different usb port then before when it was working before. Can't see any problems in device manager at all...including USB devices. Any ideas?...guess i should contact there tech support ? Thanks

06-29-2009, 09:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Well, lots of folks have had their issues with Vista-64. When I installed Vista, I started with the 64 bit version, but gave up with all the driver issues and dropped back to the 32 bit version. I'm currently running Windows 7 64-bit, and the drivers were less of an issue, though there are still a few glitches. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

06-29-2009, 10:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 thanks for reply...I contacted their Tech-support and tolsd them what had happened ...though it hard to trouble-shoot something that is working....However I told them to keep the case open for a while just to see if I have the same problem again. Thanks for your time... :-)

06-30-2009, 07:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,720 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 Hopefully, the issue will never surface again. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

08-01-2009, 09:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: Vista 64 bit	Re: D-Link DKT-410 Wireless N Starter Kit OR Netgear Wireless-N WNB2100 hello johnwill...hope the summer is going fine...I am still having problems with the router/wireless connection...it works for a few days then it stops for a few days..the wireless connection show that the wireless connection is available but I can't connect to it. D-Link has gone quiet on this ..... I found this on microsoft site and wondered if this may have something to do with things. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233 Note I don't really understand what its telling me....does the word "Gulid" refer to an HEX number string? I SUSPECT THIS IS NOT THE solution though and that the flag is set ok but I'am not sure how to varify this... thanks