Vista 64bit vs 32 bit

Dr. Paul · 11-21-2008, 06:32 AM

Planing new build: Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6, Corsair 1026 4GB, Corsair 1000W PSU, Radeon 4870 video. Have OKI C5150 laser printer, HP 1315 Printer. Run MS Office and Quicken plus some games like COD4, etc.
Would like to know whether to go with the 32 bit system or 64 bit?
Compatibility issues. Advantages and disadvantages.

Thanks.

alsr71 · 11-21-2008, 03:59 PM

I suggest you install a X64 based OS.
If you like to play games, it is better for the graphics card to read a 64-bit phrase.
Some other advantages are the full usage of 4gb, and optimum hardware performance as in graphics.
In reference to install programs, most of them work on X64 OS. You can even hardly notice it. But there are very few programs as regcure or other security programs for websites that won't work on X64.

There are currently no drivers for HP Photosmart 1315 Printer for X64, however there are for HP PSC 1315 All-in-One Printer in either for Vista or XP64. You can check your drivers at Hp by choosing star detection: http://www.hp.com/#Support

For your OKI C5150n laser printer, there are currently no specific drivers made for XP64 or Vista X64. But, you can use the XP drivers, which will also work on X64.
You can download your drivers here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-C5150n.nsf?opendatabase

You should have no problems with your Radeon 4780 graphics card. You can download drivers for any OS here: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

Regards.

Alsr71

Dr. Paul · 11-22-2008, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the timely comments.
I was favoring going to the 64 bit OS, but was somewhat hesitant because of driver issues.
Since I really run very limited software and external equipment, I will try the 64 bit. I can always revert back to 32 bit if it compatibility becomes an issue.

Thanks again.

rasmasyean · 12-05-2008, 08:47 PM

Windows Vista 64-bit links and factoids

32-bit vs. 64-bit Vista comparison table…
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/0...windows-vista/

32-bit means it can only “see” 2^32 (2 to the 32nd power) = 4GB.
The computer has to be able to see the (usable)RAM + VRAM + other devices on Motherboard, etc.
e.g. If you have 1GB VRAM and “other devices” takes up 0.3GB, you will only be able to use a max of 2.7GB (4 - 1 - 0.3 = 2.7) RAM.
In this case, if you install 3GB RAM, you waste 0.3GB…if you install 4GB RAM you waste 1.3GB!

This one's a bit technical, but it describes some of the nitty-gritty of 64-bit technology.
http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/10...just_the_ram/1

If this is any indication that 64-bit is the wave of the future and 32-bit will be “obsolete”…

There appears to be a shift taking place in the PC industry: the move from 32-bit to 64-bit PCs.
We've been tracking the change by looking at the percentage of 64-bit PCs connecting to Windows Update, and have seen a dramatic increase in recent months. The installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista PCs, as a percentage of all Windows Vista systems, has more than tripled in the U.S. in the last three months, while worldwide adoption has more than doubled during the same period. Another view shows that 20% of new Windows Vista PCs in the U.S. connecting to Windows Update in June were 64-bit PCs, up from just 3% in March. Put more simply, usage of 64-bit Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on current trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts to supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops and laptops… PC Accelerators built into Windows Vista, such as Windows SuperFetch, improve performance by keeping commonly used programs in memory, even when the program is closed. More memory capacity on 64-bit PCs allows SuperFetch to do its job more efficiently.
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...bit-today.aspx

Understanding how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance system performance…
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=735

Windows Vista - SuperFetch & ReadyBoost
http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/arc...eadyboost.aspx

Considering this, SuperFetch is probably the most significant feature that distinguishes Vista from all other OS's for users of all walks. Many other features won't be noticeable or even used by the common person (that is until commercial developers start using WPF/WFC etc., and even more DX10). So why not take advantage of it since RAM is so cheap?

Consider that many workers like to have, say 20 windows open and do not shut down in order to save time in the morning (even Monday morning), they can now leave 40 windows (or more) open. Also, the more RAM they have, the more stuff can be SuperFetched and Auto Disk Defragmenter and whatever can run more efficiently in the background when AFK too.

For the above scenario, workers will probably “lock” Vista with the S3 sleep more because they can resume in 5 seconds anyway, or it will just auto-sleep after a period…translating to a huge savings on energy consumption.

All these are big bonuses from having a large amount of RAM (which is dirt cheap these days as well as cheaper going forward). Costs associated with driver/equipment upgrade for 64-bit compatibility may be more than made up for in productivity savings by having more RAM.

This is a huge 32 vs. 64 thread I participated in once in the CNET community if you want to go through it. There's many links and insights and heated arguments there.
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10149_10...rum-w;forums06

Some interesting hardcore Vista 64-bit info:
...all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128 GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM. Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB.
http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709

Some info on a popular title in 64-bit…

Adobe Photoshop® Extended and Acrobat® Pro natively support 64-bit editions of Windows Vista. Adobe Premiere® Pro, After Effects®, Soundbooth®, Encore®, and Adobe OnLocation™ are certified on 64-bit Windows Vista.
http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...on/systemreqs/

Adobe CS4 is 64-bit only on Vista. OSX have to wait for CS5 or something like that when they catch up.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Adob...ows/1207258861

To put things in perspective, this is what 64-bit does...

What are the advantages of 64-bit computing?
In early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows®, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed.
http://www.adobe.com/products/photos...?promoid=DRHXB

**Mcninjaguy** · 12-05-2008, 11:17 PM

30 years from now the END of the world ohhh how they make me laugh. maybe in 2000 but we have 30 years to upgrade, the paranoia amazzes me as always
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...bit+Apocalypse
its bell bottomed pants and the 70's all over again?!

I really like your thorough information on a 64 bit OS rasmasyean

Games in a 64 bit environment are faster too but the diffrence is hardly noticable

here are some benchmarks (old 2006)
http://64-bit-computers.com/windows-...benchmark.html

newer benchmaarking
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1665&page=1

there used to be a small amount of 64 bit drivers back when I got Vista Home Premium 64 bit in mid to late 2007.

Nowadays everything and everybody pretty much have 64 bit drivers

**jcgriff2** · 12-05-2008, 11:35 PM

Please make to look for "Vista certified" and not "Works with Vista".

Windows Logo'd Product List -

http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...g=d&cid=&f=64p

Regards. . .

jcgriff2

.

rasmasyean · 12-07-2008, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mcninjaguy

30 years from now the END of the world ohhh how they make me laugh. maybe in 2000 but we have 30 years to upgrade, the paranoia amazzes me as always
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...bit+Apocalypse
its bell bottomed pants and the 70's all over again?!

Holy Freak! I didn't know about that one! The only one I know about is the year 2070 problem.

That's where 2 digit years were converted to Y2K compliance by the kludge revolving arround '70.
< 70 = 20__
>=70 = 19__

Ah...the good old days! ...when saving 2 digits was saving a lot of space!

**Mcninjaguy** · 12-07-2008, 01:31 PM

Yea I just love those end of the world sentiments people have!

**jcgriff2** · 12-07-2008, 10:20 PM

The same with "Global Warming" - sorry, don't buy it. We have ~120 years of recorded temps out of 4.5 billion years. That's ~ 0.0267e-8%..?

And yes, x64 systems are all the rage now - my 14 & 18 yr-olds and their friends tell me x64 is "in" and a "must have". Even w/ current economic conditions, which I suspect will only worsen => Jan 21, 2009, expect to see many new Vista x64 systems under the Christmas tree in 17 days.

**Mcninjaguy** · 12-07-2008, 10:48 PM

and I expect more luddites grabbing on holding on with their dear life to XP and constantly complaining about directx 10

UsernameX · 12-08-2008, 12:00 PM

I do a lot of music editing. Cubase and a lot of music hardware is not supported by a 64bit OS. Therefore I've had to dual boot my machine. =(

Just and FYI...

11-21-2008, 06:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Dr. Paul Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FL Posts: 48 OS: VISTA ULTIMATE 64 BIT My System	Vista 64bit vs 32 bit Planing new build: Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6, Corsair 1026 4GB, Corsair 1000W PSU, Radeon 4870 video. Have OKI C5150 laser printer, HP 1315 Printer. Run MS Office and Quicken plus some games like COD4, etc. Would like to know whether to go with the 32 bit system or 64 bit? Compatibility issues. Advantages and disadvantages. Thanks. __________________ Dr. Paul

11-21-2008, 03:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
alsr71 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 7 OS: Windows Vista Home Premium X64	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit I suggest you install a X64 based OS. If you like to play games, it is better for the graphics card to read a 64-bit phrase. Some other advantages are the full usage of 4gb, and optimum hardware performance as in graphics. In reference to install programs, most of them work on X64 OS. You can even hardly notice it. But there are very few programs as regcure or other security programs for websites that won't work on X64. There are currently no drivers for HP Photosmart 1315 Printer for X64, however there are for HP PSC 1315 All-in-One Printer in either for Vista or XP64. You can check your drivers at Hp by choosing star detection: http://www.hp.com/#Support For your OKI C5150n laser printer, there are currently no specific drivers made for XP64 or Vista X64. But, you can use the XP drivers, which will also work on X64. You can download your drivers here: http://my.okidata.com/PP-C5150n.nsf?opendatabase You should have no problems with your Radeon 4780 graphics card. You can download drivers for any OS here: http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html Regards. Alsr71

11-22-2008, 04:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Dr. Paul Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FL Posts: 48 OS: VISTA ULTIMATE 64 BIT My System	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit Thanks for the timely comments. I was favoring going to the 64 bit OS, but was somewhat hesitant because of driver issues. Since I really run very limited software and external equipment, I will try the 64 bit. I can always revert back to 32 bit if it compatibility becomes an issue. Thanks again. __________________ Dr. Paul

12-05-2008, 08:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
rasmasyean Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3 OS: Vista U64	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit Windows Vista 64-bit links and factoids 32-bit vs. 64-bit Vista comparison table… http://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/0...windows-vista/ 32-bit means it can only “see” 2^32 (2 to the 32nd power) = 4GB. The computer has to be able to see the (usable)RAM + VRAM + other devices on Motherboard, etc. e.g. If you have 1GB VRAM and “other devices” takes up 0.3GB, you will only be able to use a max of 2.7GB (4 - 1 - 0.3 = 2.7) RAM. In this case, if you install 3GB RAM, you waste 0.3GB…if you install 4GB RAM you waste 1.3GB! This one's a bit technical, but it describes some of the nitty-gritty of 64-bit technology. http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2007/10...just_the_ram/1 If this is any indication that 64-bit is the wave of the future and 32-bit will be “obsolete”… There appears to be a shift taking place in the PC industry: the move from 32-bit to 64-bit PCs. We've been tracking the change by looking at the percentage of 64-bit PCs connecting to Windows Update, and have seen a dramatic increase in recent months. The installed base of 64-bit Windows Vista PCs, as a percentage of all Windows Vista systems, has more than tripled in the U.S. in the last three months, while worldwide adoption has more than doubled during the same period. Another view shows that 20% of new Windows Vista PCs in the U.S. connecting to Windows Update in June were 64-bit PCs, up from just 3% in March. Put more simply, usage of 64-bit Windows Vista is growing much more rapidly than 32-bit. Based on current trends, this growth will accelerate as the retail channel shifts to supplying a rapidly increasing assortment of 64-bit desktops and laptops… PC Accelerators built into Windows Vista, such as Windows SuperFetch, improve performance by keeping commonly used programs in memory, even when the program is closed. More memory capacity on 64-bit PCs allows SuperFetch to do its job more efficiently. http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...bit-today.aspx Understanding how SuperFetch uses RAM to enhance system performance… http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/wi...windows/?p=735 Windows Vista - SuperFetch & ReadyBoost http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/arc...eadyboost.aspx Considering this, SuperFetch is probably the most significant feature that distinguishes Vista from all other OS's for users of all walks. Many other features won't be noticeable or even used by the common person (that is until commercial developers start using WPF/WFC etc., and even more DX10). So why not take advantage of it since RAM is so cheap? Consider that many workers like to have, say 20 windows open and do not shut down in order to save time in the morning (even Monday morning), they can now leave 40 windows (or more) open. Also, the more RAM they have, the more stuff can be SuperFetched and Auto Disk Defragmenter and whatever can run more efficiently in the background when AFK too. For the above scenario, workers will probably “lock” Vista with the S3 sleep more because they can resume in 5 seconds anyway, or it will just auto-sleep after a period…translating to a huge savings on energy consumption. All these are big bonuses from having a large amount of RAM (which is dirt cheap these days as well as cheaper going forward). Costs associated with driver/equipment upgrade for 64-bit compatibility may be more than made up for in productivity savings by having more RAM. This is a huge 32 vs. 64 thread I participated in once in the CNET community if you want to go through it. There's many links and insights and heated arguments there. http://forums.cnet.com/5208-10149_10...rum-w;forums06 Some interesting hardcore Vista 64-bit info: ...all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128 GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM. Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual memory of 16 TB. http://zone.ni.com/devzone/cda/tut/p/id/5709 Some info on a popular title in 64-bit… Adobe Photoshop® Extended and Acrobat® Pro natively support 64-bit editions of Windows Vista. Adobe Premiere® Pro, After Effects®, Soundbooth®, Encore®, and Adobe OnLocation™ are certified on 64-bit Windows Vista. http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...on/systemreqs/ Adobe CS4 is 64-bit only on Vista. OSX have to wait for CS5 or something like that when they catch up. http://www.betanews.com/article/Adob...ows/1207258861 To put things in perspective, this is what 64-bit does... What are the advantages of 64-bit computing? In early testing of 64-bit support in Photoshop for Windows®, overall performance gains ranged from 8% to 12%. Those who work with extremely large files may realize noticeably greater gains in performance, in some cases as dramatic as ten times the previous speed. This is because 64-bit applications can address larger amounts of memory and thus result in less file swapping — one of the biggest factors that can affect data processing speed. http://www.adobe.com/products/photos...?promoid=DRHXB

12-05-2008, 11:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 8,063 OS: Windows 7 64bit, Ubuntu 8.10 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit 30 years from now the END of the world ohhh how they make me laugh. maybe in 2000 but we have 30 years to upgrade, the paranoia amazzes me as always http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...bit+Apocalypse its bell bottomed pants and the 70's all over again?! I really like your thorough information on a 64 bit OS rasmasyean Games in a 64 bit environment are faster too but the diffrence is hardly noticable here are some benchmarks (old 2006) http://64-bit-computers.com/windows-...benchmark.html newer benchmaarking http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1665&page=1 there used to be a small amount of 64 bit drivers back when I got Vista Home Premium 64 bit in mid to late 2007. Nowadays everything and everybody pretty much have 64 bit drivers __________________ If you have problem PM me and I'll respond in the thread you made power-supply-information-selection Microsoft MVP Neal K

12-05-2008, 11:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey / Southern California Posts: 7,884 OS: Windows 7 RC, Vista Ultimate My System	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit Please make to look for "Vista certified" and not "Works with Vista". Windows Logo'd Product List - http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...g=d&cid=&f=64p Regards. . . jcgriff2 . __________________ Expecting a reply from me and it has been > 48 hours ? Send a PM containing a link to your thread Due to a family matter, my availability will be limited through ~ July 31, 2009

12-07-2008, 01:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 8,063 OS: Windows 7 64bit, Ubuntu 8.10 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit Yea I just love those end of the world sentiments people have! __________________ If you have problem PM me and I'll respond in the thread you made power-supply-information-selection Microsoft MVP Neal K

12-07-2008, 10:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey / Southern California Posts: 7,884 OS: Windows 7 RC, Vista Ultimate My System	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit The same with "Global Warming" - sorry, don't buy it. We have ~120 years of recorded temps out of 4.5 billion years. That's ~ 0.0267e-8%..? And yes, x64 systems are all the rage now - my 14 & 18 yr-olds and their friends tell me x64 is "in" and a "must have". Even w/ current economic conditions, which I suspect will only worsen => Jan 21, 2009, expect to see many new Vista x64 systems under the Christmas tree in 17 days. __________________ Expecting a reply from me and it has been > 48 hours ? Send a PM containing a link to your thread Due to a family matter, my availability will be limited through ~ July 31, 2009

12-07-2008, 10:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 8,063 OS: Windows 7 64bit, Ubuntu 8.10 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit and I expect more luddites grabbing on holding on with their dear life to XP and constantly complaining about directx 10 __________________ If you have problem PM me and I'll respond in the thread you made power-supply-information-selection Microsoft MVP Neal K

12-08-2008, 12:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
UsernameX Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 76 OS: Windows XP Pro - SP2	Re: Vista 64bit vs 32 bit I do a lot of music editing. Cubase and a lot of music hardware is not supported by a 64bit OS. Therefore I've had to dual boot my machine. =( Just and FYI...