Vista vs XP

ivanp · 07-22-2008, 01:49 PM

Folks,
just wondering what people think of Vista compared to XP, i'm not all that convinced Vista is worthwhile, seems a market ploy gone wrong more than genuinely being a better OS, what ye's think?
Also, I presume the 2003 version of Microsoft Office works on Vista, true?

**simpswr** · 07-22-2008, 01:56 PM

I have Vista on one machine since shortly after it came out, and have had no issues at all . . but it's purpose built with plenty of memory. The folks who seem to have the most issues with Vista either bought a system without enough memory, or upgraded to an older system . . not a good idea for Vista.

and there are always the flat earthers . . cannot cope with change . . the same ones who griped about XP, SP1, SP2 and now SP3.

Office 2003 runs fine on Vista

**Fox** · 07-22-2008, 01:59 PM

All the friends I know who have vista on their machines have no problem with it.

I got a free copy from MSDN:A, but yet I still feel no reason to install it. I get all the eye candy I need from the zune theme, and with Windows 7's release scheduled for 2 or 3 years from now, I have little incentive to take the pains to upgrade to from XP until then.

rupan777 · 07-22-2008, 02:03 PM

The only real problem that I've had with Vista is its incompatibility with some older (like 5+ years) games but there are usually workarounds but, if not, I still have my old XP machine. I've actually had much less technical problems with Vista than I had when I migrated to XP when that OS came out.

Mcninjaguy · 07-23-2008, 12:14 PM

I think I can play starcraft on my vista 64 machine. The game where I've had the most problems was Hitman blood money. There is the Compatible option in properties so you make it run like it's on xp. Mass Effect for PC was also acting wierd and I fixed that by runnig it as administrator and XP SP2

ill get back to make sure starcraft can run it
Ohh and people are just afraid of change, eventually all machines will be 64 bit.

They got some new worry out there where 32 bit machines will lock up in 3 decades from now
hhahahahaahahaha......... silly people

**jcgriff2** · 07-23-2008, 01:08 PM

No problems with Vista at all on the 4 x86 and 2 x64 laptops here.

No problems either with the 2 XP Home and 1 XP Pro systems either, although none of the kiddies will use the XP systems anymore - just the Vista ones!

jcgriff2

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**sobeit** · 07-23-2008, 01:43 PM

IMO, most problems you hear about with vista is the person is either too lazy to learn it or they purchased a computer that lacks the resouces that can handle it properly. In addition, they may already have devices/software thats not compatible with it and really dont know where to look to update. They just figure it would be easier to downgrade - and the help forums are full of those who went that route.

Vista is a good operating system and so was xp. IMO, if you are thinking about upgrading your xp for the sake of upgrading, wait until you get another computer.

I still have xp on one system and vista on two. I installed vista on day one or two, I have slept since then, though I have had some problems with compatibility issues because I upgraded, I do not regret it. The same thing happened to me when xp was first released, when win98 was released and when win95 was released and when dos6.22 was released :-) There will always be issues when new operating systems are released.

see the following for more info on comparing the two

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ista,1531.html

Mcninjaguy · 07-23-2008, 03:05 PM

yea I can play starcraft lol

bhencetotozo · 07-23-2008, 09:28 PM

Windows VIsta vs Windows XP.

ONLY noobie users will find vista better or equal.
The OS is just full of "ünexplainable"BUGS..

Regular basic users, will like vista,its nice and easy to fine an ICON to click, and looks pretty. Has cool visual affects,
1)
Game Hackers "Script, hex,UCE,Packet Editing,Files Bypassing,", and Real Games wont like vista.
2)
Video Compression MUCH SLOWER
Audio Compression MUCH SLOWER
3)
I can run 8 CLIENTS of the game 2moons at the same time on XP
I can run 2 CLIENTS of the game 2moons at the same time on VISTA
4)
I have a TEMP SENSOR between Processor and Heatsynk.
Vista IDLE TEMP at 49Cº
XP IDLE TEMP at 34Cº
Linux Idle TEMP at 19Cº
5)
Compatibility OS option has NOT worked for me. On any of the 9 software that i tryed.

Other Examples.

Gears Of War:
Windows XP on my system 91 FPS constant 61 Lowers on MAX
Windows Vista 61 FPS MAX, Real Average fps, 21-33
.Bat files do not execute right (very good for Archive Bypass and game hacking switches.)

My System
AMD Athlon FX62 64bit Processor (DUAL CORE) 2.8 Overclocked to 3.6 (on chip & Bios)
4 GB ddr2 800MHZ ram
2 PCIe 16x Gforce 7950GX2 1gb 48 pipelines each
1 TB SATA2 3G Harddrive (Linux Inside 7.10)
1 820 SATA2 3G Harddrive (Xp sp2 Inside)
1 350 SATA2 3G Harddrive (Vista Inside)
2 750 WATTHybrid (Custom Made By Me) Paralelle Connection PSU
1 DVD BURNER ( dont remember speed but fast)
13 Cooling Fans

Mcninjaguy · 07-24-2008, 01:23 AM

could you tell me all the software that hasn't worked?

bhencetotozo · 07-25-2008, 02:07 PM

I could actually make a list. but, there is more than 9, theres about 30. But i expected those 9 to work...

NOTE- Noro 8 in XP has more power than NERO 8 in Vista.

MUCH MORE POWER. 700% more power atleast.
Dont ask for details try it urself and ull b amazed.

--check out this hack

www.youtube.com/brmafiawegotmoney (lirit part and part 2)

**af3** · 07-25-2008, 02:18 PM

Office 2007 is a mess. It appears that all they did is move things around and give it a candy coating. It's a waste of money. They force you into their later versions by refusing to offer critical security updates.

With Vista, it looked great but too much was moved and hidden. I learned it quickly, but didn't find any of the changes beneficial. Games ran slow too. I am going to downgrade to Windows 2000 as soon as I can get it to recognize my hard drive.

bhencetotozo · 07-25-2008, 02:21 PM

I agree with you. Specially about the games. YES I ALSO LOST my pretty FPS on ANY OPENGL - Direct3D (x) games. ANd im still mad because my beautiful blessed .BAT files dont execute right.

**af3** · 07-25-2008, 02:24 PM

Linux is a speed demon, I wish Direct3D translated better on it. Unlike a few years ago, it WORKS! Imagine how it will be in a few more years?!

In regards to your hack shell scripts, why don't you try playing fair?

**jcgriff2** · 07-25-2008, 02:52 PM

Why Win2000? - No XP?

**Fox** · 07-25-2008, 09:39 PM

Batch files don't work right in vista? That's pretty bad... a lot of businesses rely on shell scripts to get things done on both client and server sides. Especially when it comes to executing java. I really hope they get that sorted, or they're going to have a lot of really unhappy corporate users on their hands. Not to mention the power users of xp who do actually have use for this.

**ssj4Gogeta** · 07-26-2008, 02:11 AM

IMO, Vista is great. It looks nice, and is more secure. But only install it if you have enough resources. It's faster to start than XP, and is also smoother. I think XP doesn't make full use of system resources, especially RAM. Main thing is you'll need a graphics subsystem that's powerful enough. I have XP/Vista/Linux triple boot. There are some incompatible programs which you may like to use, but in most cases there are alternatives, and you can also dual boot XP with Vista.

One thing I liked in Vista was that the real "Administrator" (which is created automatically during the install) account is hidden by default. You have to enable it before you can use it. And you have to create another account with administrator privileges during the setup. This is good cause many people use the "Administrator" account as their default account without even knowing that they're greatly increasing their system's vulnerability.

Quote:

Originally Posted by af3

Office 2007 is a mess. It appears that all they did is move things around and give it a candy coating.

IMO Office 2007 is better as you don't have to open menus and there are some added features also, like cool word art in power point and equation editing tools and mathematical symbols in Word. besides, it looks great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by af3

With Vista, it looked great but too much was moved and hidden. I learned it quickly, but didn't find any of the changes beneficial. Games ran slow too. I am going to downgrade to Windows 2000 as soon as I can get it to recognize my hard drive.

Win 2000????? does it even have dx9? why not XP?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhencetotozo

I agree with you. Specially about the games. YES I ALSO LOST my pretty FPS on ANY OPENGL - Direct3D (x) games. ANd im still mad because my beautiful blessed .BAT files dont execute right.

yes, games run at lower fps in Vista as compared to XP for some reason. Don't know about the batch files.

Mcninjaguy · 07-26-2008, 02:15 AM

ohh yes and another the reason why you can't run 10 clients at once is that although you have 2 graphic cards you really need two 8800's series graphic cards or higher. You can probably pick up a 9800gtx for around 260 with tax and it'll be 4x faster than your 7900's

Mcninjaguy · 07-26-2008, 02:16 AM

ohh yea if you want a more xp enviroment on vista take of AERO it use up a lot of resources it'll probably look like xp once you do that

**ssj4Gogeta** · 07-26-2008, 02:21 AM

why would anyone want it to look like XP? Aero is great. and it DOESN'T take system resources except GPU power, so it should be perfectly OK if you have a good GPU. why let your GPU sit idle when you're not playing games?

07-22-2008, 01:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
ivanp Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 OS: xp	Vista vs XP Folks, just wondering what people think of Vista compared to XP, i'm not all that convinced Vista is worthwhile, seems a market ploy gone wrong more than genuinely being a better OS, what ye's think? Also, I presume the 2003 version of Microsoft Office works on Vista, true? Last edited by ivanp; 07-22-2008 at 01:53 PM.

07-22-2008, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 12,281 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: Vista vs XP I have Vista on one machine since shortly after it came out, and have had no issues at all . . but it's purpose built with plenty of memory. The folks who seem to have the most issues with Vista either bought a system without enough memory, or upgraded to an older system . . not a good idea for Vista. and there are always the flat earthers . . cannot cope with change . . the same ones who griped about XP, SP1, SP2 and now SP3. Office 2003 runs fine on Vista __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

07-22-2008, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	Re: Vista vs XP All the friends I know who have vista on their machines have no problem with it. I got a free copy from MSDN:A, but yet I still feel no reason to install it. I get all the eye candy I need from the zune theme, and with Windows 7's release scheduled for 2 or 3 years from now, I have little incentive to take the pains to upgrade to from XP until then. __________________ Antec Neo Power 500W, ABIT IP35-E, Intel E2180@2.66Ghz, Corsair XMS2 2x1GB DDR2-800, PNY 8800GT, 320GB Seagate * lazy college student alert *- If I've inadvertently ignored a thread, please Let me know about it Have I helped you solve your problem? Donate to Techsupportforums Klart Skepp!

07-22-2008, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
rupan777 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 13 OS: Vista 32 SP1	Re: Vista vs XP The only real problem that I've had with Vista is its incompatibility with some older (like 5+ years) games but there are usually workarounds but, if not, I still have my old XP machine. I've actually had much less technical problems with Vista than I had when I migrated to XP when that OS came out.

07-23-2008, 12:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista vs XP I think I can play starcraft on my vista 64 machine. The game where I've had the most problems was Hitman blood money. There is the Compatible option in properties so you make it run like it's on xp. Mass Effect for PC was also acting wierd and I fixed that by runnig it as administrator and XP SP2 ill get back to make sure starcraft can run it Ohh and people are just afraid of change, eventually all machines will be 64 bit. They got some new worry out there where 32 bit machines will lock up in 3 decades from now hhahahahaahahaha......... silly people Last edited by Mcninjaguy; 07-23-2008 at 12:23 PM.

07-23-2008, 01:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Supp Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Great State of New Jersey - away from the gross corruption of the Riverside County, CA, SO office. SHAMEFUL ! Posts: 10,151 OS: Windows 7, Vista Ultimate My System	Re: Vista vs XP No problems with Vista at all on the 4 x86 and 2 x64 laptops here. No problems either with the 2 XP Home and 1 XP Pro systems either, although none of the kiddies will use the XP systems anymore - just the Vista ones! jcgriff2 . __________________ . . . . . . . . BSOD Posting Instructions B Expecting a reply and waiting > 36 hours ? Send a PM to me containing a link to your thread Glad to be home in the Great State of New Jersey ! !

07-23-2008, 01:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 7,433 OS: windows/linux	Re: Vista vs XP IMO, most problems you hear about with vista is the person is either too lazy to learn it or they purchased a computer that lacks the resouces that can handle it properly. In addition, they may already have devices/software thats not compatible with it and really dont know where to look to update. They just figure it would be easier to downgrade - and the help forums are full of those who went that route. Vista is a good operating system and so was xp. IMO, if you are thinking about upgrading your xp for the sake of upgrading, wait until you get another computer. I still have xp on one system and vista on two. I installed vista on day one or two, I have slept since then, though I have had some problems with compatibility issues because I upgraded, I do not regret it. The same thing happened to me when xp was first released, when win98 was released and when win95 was released and when dos6.22 was released :-) There will always be issues when new operating systems are released. see the following for more info on comparing the two http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ista,1531.html __________________ there's been global warming since the ice age

07-23-2008, 03:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista vs XP yea I can play starcraft lol

07-23-2008, 09:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
bhencetotozo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Vista (Worst OS EVER), Linux(Favorite 1), XP(favorite2)	Re: Vista vs XP Windows VIsta vs Windows XP. ONLY noobie users will find vista better or equal. The OS is just full of "ünexplainable"BUGS.. Regular basic users, will like vista,its nice and easy to fine an ICON to click, and looks pretty. Has cool visual affects, 1) Game Hackers "Script, hex,UCE,Packet Editing,Files Bypassing,", and Real Games wont like vista. 2) Video Compression MUCH SLOWER Audio Compression MUCH SLOWER 3) I can run 8 CLIENTS of the game 2moons at the same time on XP I can run 2 CLIENTS of the game 2moons at the same time on VISTA 4) I have a TEMP SENSOR between Processor and Heatsynk. Vista IDLE TEMP at 49Cº XP IDLE TEMP at 34Cº Linux Idle TEMP at 19Cº 5) Compatibility OS option has NOT worked for me. On any of the 9 software that i tryed. Other Examples. Gears Of War: Windows XP on my system 91 FPS constant 61 Lowers on MAX Windows Vista 61 FPS MAX, Real Average fps, 21-33 .Bat files do not execute right (very good for Archive Bypass and game hacking switches.) My System AMD Athlon FX62 64bit Processor (DUAL CORE) 2.8 Overclocked to 3.6 (on chip & Bios) 4 GB ddr2 800MHZ ram 2 PCIe 16x Gforce 7950GX2 1gb 48 pipelines each 1 TB SATA2 3G Harddrive (Linux Inside 7.10) 1 820 SATA2 3G Harddrive (Xp sp2 Inside) 1 350 SATA2 3G Harddrive (Vista Inside) 2 750 WATTHybrid (Custom Made By Me) Paralelle Connection PSU 1 DVD BURNER ( dont remember speed but fast) 13 Cooling Fans __________________ Brazillian Hacking Force

07-24-2008, 01:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista vs XP could you tell me all the software that hasn't worked?

07-25-2008, 02:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
bhencetotozo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Vista (Worst OS EVER), Linux(Favorite 1), XP(favorite2)	Re: Vista vs XP I could actually make a list. but, there is more than 9, theres about 30. But i expected those 9 to work... NOTE- Noro 8 in XP has more power than NERO 8 in Vista. MUCH MORE POWER. 700% more power atleast. Dont ask for details try it urself and ull b amazed. --check out this hack www.youtube.com/brmafiawegotmoney (lirit part and part 2) __________________ Brazillian Hacking Force

07-25-2008, 02:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
af3 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,179 OS: XP SP3 & PCLinuxOS Gnome My System	Re: Vista vs XP Office 2007 is a mess. It appears that all they did is move things around and give it a candy coating. It's a waste of money. They force you into their later versions by refusing to offer critical security updates. With Vista, it looked great but too much was moved and hidden. I learned it quickly, but didn't find any of the changes beneficial. Games ran slow too. I am going to downgrade to Windows 2000 as soon as I can get it to recognize my hard drive. Last edited by af3; 07-25-2008 at 02:19 PM.

07-25-2008, 02:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
bhencetotozo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Vista (Worst OS EVER), Linux(Favorite 1), XP(favorite2)	Re: Vista vs XP I agree with you. Specially about the games. YES I ALSO LOST my pretty FPS on ANY OPENGL - Direct3D (x) games. ANd im still mad because my beautiful blessed .BAT files dont execute right. __________________ Brazillian Hacking Force

07-25-2008, 02:24 PM	#14 (permalink)
af3 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,179 OS: XP SP3 & PCLinuxOS Gnome My System	Re: Vista vs XP Linux is a speed demon, I wish Direct3D translated better on it. Unlike a few years ago, it WORKS! Imagine how it will be in a few more years?! In regards to your hack shell scripts, why don't you try playing fair?

07-25-2008, 02:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Supp Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Great State of New Jersey - away from the gross corruption of the Riverside County, CA, SO office. SHAMEFUL ! Posts: 10,151 OS: Windows 7, Vista Ultimate My System	Re: Vista vs XP Why Win2000? - No XP? __________________ . . . . . . . . BSOD Posting Instructions B Expecting a reply and waiting > 36 hours ? Send a PM to me containing a link to your thread Glad to be home in the Great State of New Jersey ! !

07-25-2008, 09:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	Re: Vista vs XP Batch files don't work right in vista? That's pretty bad... a lot of businesses rely on shell scripts to get things done on both client and server sides. Especially when it comes to executing java. I really hope they get that sorted, or they're going to have a lot of really unhappy corporate users on their hands. Not to mention the power users of xp who do actually have use for this. __________________ Antec Neo Power 500W, ABIT IP35-E, Intel E2180@2.66Ghz, Corsair XMS2 2x1GB DDR2-800, PNY 8800GT, 320GB Seagate * lazy college student alert *- If I've inadvertently ignored a thread, please Let me know about it Have I helped you solve your problem? Donate to Techsupportforums Klart Skepp!

07-26-2008, 02:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista vs XP ohh yes and another the reason why you can't run 10 clients at once is that although you have 2 graphic cards you really need two 8800's series graphic cards or higher. You can probably pick up a 9800gtx for around 260 with tax and it'll be 4x faster than your 7900's

07-26-2008, 02:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Vista vs XP ohh yea if you want a more xp enviroment on vista take of AERO it use up a lot of resources it'll probably look like xp once you do that

07-26-2008, 02:21 AM	#20 (permalink)
ssj4Gogeta Custom User Title Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: India Posts: 1,867 OS: Windows XP SP2, Vista, Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex, Leopard (Kalyway) My System	Re: Vista vs XP why would anyone want it to look like XP? Aero is great. and it DOESN'T take system resources except GPU power, so it should be perfectly OK if you have a good GPU. why let your GPU sit idle when you're not playing games?