[SOLVED] Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights?

darstam295 · 07-17-2008, 05:47 PM

Ok, Vista Ult. on an nVidia MOBO, quad CPU 2.4 GHz(intel) 4Gig Ram 1Gig nVidia Video.
Ok, so the system can "rock with Vista", but suddenly, the "local" admin account lost permissions for 50% of ALL programs and folders. Then the same day, the "hidden" admin account, cannot run, access, remove, or make file or program changes. what gives????

I ran the admin cmd "takeown" for the hidden admin account, but that didn't make any change in the permissions. Programs still request "You do not have permission to ________" you fill in the blank, it occurs with anything . . .
Any ideas as to how one re-sets global permissions for an "admin" account?

Oh, and yes, I have A/V and antimalware running, upto date, and have scanned the whole system. AVG, SuperAntiSpyware, AdAware, Spysweeper,
Rootkit revealer, etc . . . All clean??
Any help would be GREAT !!!!!!!

jenae · 07-17-2008, 06:41 PM

Hi, how did you activate the "hidden admin" account in Vista? I use it occasionally and requires that I open a CMD prompt by right clicking and selecting "run as administrator" (you can set this to always be the case) now at the prompt type :- net user administrator /active:yes or to turn off substitute "yes " with "no". Reboot to have the Admin option on boot.

darstam295 · 07-17-2008, 07:23 PM

Yepper, that's the right process.
When rebooting, I have the option now to "login" as either system Admin, or my original "admin" account.

The problem started with the "user" admin account, but when logged in as the system admin, I also get the same permission denied problems.

**jcgriff2** · 07-17-2008, 10:34 PM

Hi. . .

Did you take ownership of and then change file permissions to folders/files while running as the "hidden admin"? What about the regular admin account? (BEFORE this problem occurred)

Regards. . .

jcgriff2

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darstam295 · 07-17-2008, 11:17 PM

Ok, here goes . . .

At first I started "losing" permission with the regular account.
Tried taking "ownership" of them (again) but that didn't work.
I still got the "insufficient privelage" message.
Thats when I started up the "hidden" admin account.
And that "master" account could not run the same programs, folders etc . . .

Soooo, I took ownership of the whole secondary drive (drive D:\) BUT it
still would not allow access . . .
Now I have a mixed bag of who owns what?
Vista shure doesn't seem to know, and I cannot make even the primary Admin account take ownership.

darstam295 · 07-18-2008, 10:32 AM

This now seems to be not just a random ocurrance.
I have seen many other people with the same problem
Vista suddenly, and without reason f#*@s up permissions,
and denies access to random folders, files, and programs.
Perhaps a *NEW* Vista virus that has not been ID'd yet ?????

**jcgriff2** · 07-18-2008, 06:08 PM

When you say that you "started losing permission"... - what files/folders are you speaking of?

How did you change permission settings - via the Properties/security tab or via the command prompt - takeown/icacls?

jcgriff2

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darstam295 · 07-19-2008, 10:20 PM

jcgriff2, does it really matter?
plain old files and folders, some are images, word docs, etc. . .
folders that I created, and placed files into. Duh, this is not too
difficult to describe here. And I already explained how I set the
permissions. I don't need people wasting my time asking useless
questions that have been already answered. If you have no usefull
input then don't post.

Furthermore, this thread can be closed.
I formatted my HDD, and installed XP Pro.
I've had enough of Vista's quirky crap.
'nuff said.

**jcgriff2** · 07-20-2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darstam295

jcgriff2, does it really matter?
plain old files and folders, some are images, word docs, etc. . .
folders that I created, and placed files into. Duh, this is not too
difficult to describe here. And I already explained how I set the
permissions. I don't need people wasting my time asking useless
questions that have been already answered. If you have no usefull
input then don't post.

Furthermore, this thread can be closed.
I formatted my HDD, and installed XP Pro.
I've had enough of Vista's quirky crap.
'nuff said.

Clarification purposes notwithstanding, my inquiries into the files and their folder locations were done so as I prefer to use CMD (~DOS) line executables such as TAKEOWN/ICACLS to deal with file permission settings. Furthermore, it can matter a great deal where you place files within Vista because of virtualization and ownership rules regarding Windows Updates and program installations.

I am glad that you found a work-around/solution to your system trouble. I am sorry that you feel in any manner that I have wasted your time, as I am simply a volunteer like the rest giving my time to help others when and where possible.

The thread is therefore so marked SOLVED.

jcgriff2

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07-17-2008, 05:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
darstam295 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 5 OS: Vista Ultimate (32), XP Pro, Me, 98	[SOLVED] Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? Ok, Vista Ult. on an nVidia MOBO, quad CPU 2.4 GHz(intel) 4Gig Ram 1Gig nVidia Video. Ok, so the system can "rock with Vista", but suddenly, the "local" admin account lost permissions for 50% of ALL programs and folders. Then the same day, the "hidden" admin account, cannot run, access, remove, or make file or program changes. what gives???? I ran the admin cmd "takeown" for the hidden admin account, but that didn't make any change in the permissions. Programs still request "You do not have permission to ________" you fill in the blank, it occurs with anything . . . Any ideas as to how one re-sets global permissions for an "admin" account? Oh, and yes, I have A/V and antimalware running, upto date, and have scanned the whole system. AVG, SuperAntiSpyware, AdAware, Spysweeper, Rootkit revealer, etc . . . All clean?? Any help would be GREAT !!!!!!!

07-17-2008, 06:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
jenae Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 170 OS: XP & Vista	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? Hi, how did you activate the "hidden admin" account in Vista? I use it occasionally and requires that I open a CMD prompt by right clicking and selecting "run as administrator" (you can set this to always be the case) now at the prompt type :- net user administrator /active:yes or to turn off substitute "yes " with "no". Reboot to have the Admin option on boot.

07-17-2008, 07:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
darstam295 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 5 OS: Vista Ultimate (32), XP Pro, Me, 98	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? Yepper, that's the right process. When rebooting, I have the option now to "login" as either system Admin, or my original "admin" account. The problem started with the "user" admin account, but when logged in as the system admin, I also get the same permission denied problems.

07-17-2008, 10:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 4,771 OS: Vista SP1 x64, x86 / XP SP3 Pro, Media, Home, / Win 95 / DOS / IBM 390 TSO/ISPF My System	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? Hi. . . Did you take ownership of and then change file permissions to folders/files while running as the "hidden admin"? What about the regular admin account? (BEFORE this problem occurred) Regards. . . jcgriff2 . __________________ SysInternals Suite • BSOD Bugchecks • Media Fire • Belarc Advisor • MS TechNet • MS NTDE/CPR MSDN Err Cds • Everest Home v2.20 • CCleaner • Memtest86+ • MS Help & Support Live SysInternals AutoRuns • Auslogics Defrag • McAfee RT • Norton RT • Kaspersky RT • MS One Care RT If you were expecting a reply from me and I have not yet done so, please send me a PM with a link to your thread.

07-17-2008, 11:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
darstam295 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 5 OS: Vista Ultimate (32), XP Pro, Me, 98	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? Ok, here goes . . . At first I started "losing" permission with the regular account. Tried taking "ownership" of them (again) but that didn't work. I still got the "insufficient privelage" message. Thats when I started up the "hidden" admin account. And that "master" account could not run the same programs, folders etc . . . Soooo, I took ownership of the whole secondary drive (drive D:\) BUT it still would not allow access . . . Now I have a mixed bag of who owns what? Vista shure doesn't seem to know, and I cannot make even the primary Admin account take ownership.

07-18-2008, 10:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
darstam295 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 5 OS: Vista Ultimate (32), XP Pro, Me, 98	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? This now seems to be not just a random ocurrance. I have seen many other people with the same problem Vista suddenly, and without reason f#@s up permissions, and denies access to random folders, files, and programs. Perhaps a NEW* Vista virus that has not been ID'd yet ?????

07-18-2008, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 4,771 OS: Vista SP1 x64, x86 / XP SP3 Pro, Media, Home, / Win 95 / DOS / IBM 390 TSO/ISPF My System	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? When you say that you "started losing permission"... - what files/folders are you speaking of? How did you change permission settings - via the Properties/security tab or via the command prompt - takeown/icacls? jcgriff2 . __________________ SysInternals Suite • BSOD Bugchecks • Media Fire • Belarc Advisor • MS TechNet • MS NTDE/CPR MSDN Err Cds • Everest Home v2.20 • CCleaner • Memtest86+ • MS Help & Support Live SysInternals AutoRuns • Auslogics Defrag • McAfee RT • Norton RT • Kaspersky RT • MS One Care RT If you were expecting a reply from me and I have not yet done so, please send me a PM with a link to your thread.

07-19-2008, 10:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
darstam295 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 5 OS: Vista Ultimate (32), XP Pro, Me, 98	Re: Hidden Admin no longer has permission rights? jcgriff2, does it really matter? plain old files and folders, some are images, word docs, etc. . . folders that I created, and placed files into. Duh, this is not too difficult to describe here. And I already explained how I set the permissions. I don't need people wasting my time asking useless questions that have been already answered. If you have no usefull input then don't post. Furthermore, this thread can be closed. I formatted my HDD, and installed XP Pro. I've had enough of Vista's quirky crap. 'nuff said. Last edited by darstam295 : 07-19-2008 at 10:22 PM.