ray3d

I have used Norton "Ghost" to clone my hard drive, believing that I could use the clone to boot my PC, OS and all. When I start my computer with the cloned disk, the PC doesn't even "see" that it is there. (I did switch the jumper on the cloned HD to tell the computer it is the master disk.)

Is what I am trying tro do possible? Where am I going wrong?

Stu_computer

What'S the POST error message when the pc boots up?
Did you change the BIOS settings?
Did you "reset cmos" (or "update ESCD") in the BIOS settings?
Does the BIOS correctly identify the hdd's make/model?

ray3d

Sees no disks at all.

Obviously I have no idea what I need to do. The Ghost instruction manual wasn't very specific.

I cloned my OS partition to a Primary Partition on the new disk. Do I also need a Ghost boot floppy to acomplish my goal?

Can you recommend a tutorial, (on-line or elsewhere), that will walk me through the steps?

Stu_computer

Does the pc still boot okay with the original hdd?

If you connect the cloned one as a slave hdd can you access it from desktop on your original hdd?

What is the make and model of the drive?

leroys1000

In the Ghost Advanced window, click Clone, and then click Next.
In the Clone Wizard window, in the left pane, do one of the following:
Click a disk to select it as the source for the clone operation.
Click a partition to select it as the source for the clone operation.
In the right pane, do one of the following:
Click a disk to select it as the destination for the clone operation.
Click a partition to select it as the destination for the clone operation.
Warning: The destination disk or partition is completely overwritten with no chance of recovering any data.

Click Next.
The Overwrite partition warning dialog box appears if you are overwriting any of the following:
The current Windows partition
The Ghost installation
Click Next to continue.

If this is the first time that you have used Norton Ghost on this computer, in the Add Ghost Disk Identification dialog box, identify the disk.
See Identifying a hard disk

If you have previously used Norton Ghost on this computer, then this dialog box does not appear.

If you want to set advanced settings for the clone, then click Advanced Settings.
Setting Norton Ghost options and defaults

Click Next.
In the Important Information dialog box, if you do not want to view this warning again, click Don't show this screen again, and then click Next.
Click Run Now to start the clone operation.
Ensure that all applications on your computer are closed before you run the clone operation.

Your computer is restarted and the destination hard disk or partition is cloned from the source hard disk or partition.

ray3d

Stu,

Yes, my system boots and runs normally from the original HD. When connected as a slave, I can see and access all data on my newly cloned HD. It is a Western Digital 200 GB WD2000.

Leroys,

Your description of how to clone is exactly what I did. I just expected the clone to act like that HD that it replaced. I connected it to the IDE cable where the old disk was, reset the jumper to designate "Master", and tried to start my PC. The system would not boot or recognize any connected disks.

Did I skip a step with Bios etc.?

Stu_computer

The BIOS should be set to IDE auto (to auto detect the drive).
If it doesn't properly identify the hdd by name there may be a problem with the BIOS not recognizing the drive geometry because of the large size.

Large drive support is needed for hdd larger than 137G, may require a BIOS update.
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Connect the wd200 to the end connector (black) on the 80 conductor data cable, (you are using an 80 conductor cable?). Do not connect the other hdd to the slave connector (grey middle) at this time. Remove all jumpers from the wd200 (single drive mode).

Boot the computer, should go to windows now if everything okay.

ray3d

Well, now I've done it! My main HD seems to have died!

I was able to re-attach it into its original location, but the computer does not see it during start-up. (I have a 2nd computer for addressing this tech support group.)

I was able to get the PC to recognize the new HD on which I cloned the OS. However, it doesn't want to boot from it.

The original disk spins. I've switched out my cables. It seems so strange that it would die today.

Actually, it failed to be recognized twice after my first try to replace it. Then, it operated all day. Then, I took it out, tried the new HD, (which wouldn't boot), and put the original back in place. 8 times it would not boot.

All jumpers were appropriately placed as I went.

So, any thoughts on how to revive it? Or, is there a chance that I successfully cloned my OS to the new drive? If so, how do I get it to respond?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

ray3d

Just for the heck of it, I tried the suspect HD as the only one attached to the PC. I experimented with different jumper positions, including none, and "CS" position.

What is CS position? It works, in spite of the fact that master is clearly marked but doesn't work. Will this cause trouble when I add additional disks?

ray3d

Well, I got both the boot drive and the one that I cloned on-line together. Should I try to clone the OS again? I followed the instructions above, last time. What should I do differently this time?

Anything I can look at in the cloned partition to discover if I missed something?

Tumbleweed36

Hi,

I use Ghost, but use the Advanced, copy disk to disk to get mine to work. However, I have done the command you used and it does also work.

What I think is that maybe you missed something Stu_computer told you to do. He said:

Connect the wd200 to the end connector (black) on the 80 conductor data cable, (you are using an 80 conductor cable?). Do not connect the other hdd to the slave connector (grey middle) at this time. Remove all jumpers from the wd200 (single drive mode).

Just double check to make sure you did this, because if the old drive is soup, it probablly would not work while on the cable.

Also, have you made sure you have the disk boot order in the BIOS setup menu set for this drive and not the drive that died???? That is what I have to do with mine. Double check that in your BIOS setup menu and don't forget to save before you exit.!

ray3d

My BIOS is in "Auto" recognize drives as a default. I will check again how it is set, but it usually looks for the "C" drive at the end of the cable where I tried the new HD. (I tried it all by itself.)

I'm still wondering if I can inspect the cloned partition to see if something is missing.

Thanks to all for the advice. I am probably overlooking something obvious. And, the "fried" HD works fine now with the jumper set to "CS" instead of "Master".

Tumbleweed36

Hi,

You may want again to check that drive letter. What you may need to do to get it working is to let it find the "D" drive, because if my memory serves me correctly, it will NOT clone the drive letter, but only the drive. The cloned drive will be the same, except for the drive letter is probably "D" instead of "C". It has been a while since I used that the Ghost program (thanks for reminding me I need to get that done), so don't guarantee that, but would almost bet that is one problem.

Addendum: I don't mean to have a downside comment, but if I were you, I would Redo that process from the main drive and then test it on the newly cloned drive for now to make sure that what you want to do works. Not worth a chance of your main drive dying and then it won't work.

If what you are using does not work, select Advanced, Copy Drive to Drive That is what I use and be sure when the option comes up, that you make sure you do the MBR with the other options. I DO NOT select Disable Smart Sector Copying, but select all the other ones. It will also need to dismount the drive after it tries to copy, but if you click (I think it is ignore) for it to continue, it will copy it after a dismount.

Stu_computer

Using the CS jumpers on both drives is okay, (actually it's the best way), just remember it's always: master-black end connector; slave-blue middle connector.

I suggest you download/use the Western Digital utility software to do the drive-to-drive copying to make your clone. It's simple, just takes a couple of clicks and your done. It's free and it's compatible with your wd200, (I think it works with almost any other drive anyway-I've never had a problem using it).

Just connect the wd200 as a slave, boot into windows, download/start lifeguard, copy-to-copy, source = C and destination = D and your done.

OR you can first view an "install tutorial" that is "customized" to your current setup!

Data Lifeguard Tools 11 for Windows

BEFORE you do the cloning make sure you have the latest service pack installed so there will be no problem with large drive support.

ray3d

Thanks everyone.

Yes, I have service pack 4. I rearrange my BIOS to boot from the cloned disk. It recognizes the presence of the new HD. It tries, but still cannot boot.

I will look into the suggested alternative way of cloning my original HD. It now seems to work fine with the jumper at CS.

I'll report my results when I finish those steps.

ray3d

OK. Here is where I am now.

I am trying to clone, (Ghost), the partition of my HD containing the OS to another partition on another HD. The partitions are the same size, and after the cloning, the amount of space used is identical on both disks.

After connecting the clone to the same cable as the original HD, and properly setting the jumper, I selected the boot order to target the clone. The system recognizes the new HD by type and brand, but instead of booting, it sends me to a black screen saying: "PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT"

I've re-cloned the partition while carefully reading your instructions. I've double and triple checked where the HDs are connected and how the jumpers are set.

What am I missing?

Stu_computer

What does this mean "setting the jumper" and "changing the boot order"? You shouldn't need to be in BIOS at all after setting the IDE to auto detect.

1. both drives jumpered for cable select.
2. Original drive on end connector, wd200 on middle connector.
3. do the cloning.
4. Remove original hdd completely, connect wd200 to end connector.

wd200 is now the primary drive.

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Reminder always unplug the AC each time so there is no power going to the mobo and drives while your working inside the case.

oldmn

You might want to try the clone software from Western digital.
http://support.wdc.com/download/inde...n&pid=4&swid=1
Just to clarify something 80 Wire cables have colored connectors
Black = Master
Gray = Slave
Blue = Motherboard.

ray3d

[quote=Stu_computer]What does this mean "setting the jumper" and "changing the boot order"? You shouldn't need to be in BIOS at all after setting the IDE to auto detect.

1. both drives jumpered for cable select.
2. Original drive on end connector, wd200 on middle connector.
3. do the cloning.
4. Remove original hdd completely, connect wd200 to end connector.

wd200 is now the primary drive.

Yes, I was experimenting with setting the jumpers to "master" or "slave" where appropriate, as well as "cable select" mode. My IDE does auto detect, but I made sure that my BIOS was trying to boot directly at my IDE connection, rather than trying the floppy first.

I believe that I am understanding everyone's suggestions. The PC recognizes the new HD fine, it just doesn't boot from there.

I'll re-read and try everything again.

ray3d

Now I have copied my OS and boot partition to a separate HD using Western Digital's "Data Lifeguard Tools". Again, the copying went smoothly. There was a notice that certain files were not copied, however. I removed the "C" drive from its proper place on the IDE cable and put the clone in its place. The PC recognizes the new "Primary Master", but still doesn't boot. I get the error: PRESS A KEY TO REBOOT!

Trying again with any variables I can think of.