Defrag surprise

DaneBrooke · 07-08-2008, 04:27 PM

Hi - my file system is NTFS, my pagefile is 384MB, chkdsk reports 140MB used by system and log file 65MB. But defrag analysis shows a contiguous block at the start of my drive that is 'system files' and appears to be about 5 GIGA (!) bytes.... This seems wrong/unlikely. Any ideas?

**simpswr** · 07-08-2008, 04:29 PM

Likley the System Restore files . .

**djaburg** · 07-12-2008, 06:46 PM

Not with Windows 2000 it's not, that feature was introduced with Windows ME and was "refined" with windows XP.

Perhaps the contiguous block is system files that have not changed or moved, so they would give that appearance?

**simpswr** · 07-12-2008, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djaburg

Not with Windows 2000 it's not,

Where does he say he has w2K??

DaneBrooke · 07-12-2008, 09:23 PM

My OS (like yours) is listed under my name/avatar.

dai · 07-13-2008, 01:20 AM

2000 came after me and is the business version of xp so system restore has to be done manually as most businesses do
was 2000 installed on a recovery partition inicially

**djaburg** · 07-13-2008, 10:55 AM

Actually 2000 came before XP by a good two years. NT/2000/XP all share the same basic core architecture, whereas Windows 9x (95/98/ME) still had a DOS base that it worked on. XP was the merging of the two operating system paths that provided a single architecture for both business and home users.

**simpswr** · 07-13-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneBrooke

My OS (like yours) is listed under my name/avatar.

Ahh Haa . . missed that . .

**af3** · 07-14-2008, 08:03 AM

Tis also the Windows 2000 support section...

If you measure the contents of /WINNT and then /WINNT/SYSTEM32, what are their sizes? There are utilities like "Disktective" http://www.disktective.com/ that will show you what weighs what in regards to your hard drive's contents. Pie charts, mmmmm...

DaneBrooke · 07-14-2008, 12:03 PM

Yes, it appears that because \winnt has the system attribute, defrag treats ALL its content as sytem files.

**af3** · 07-16-2008, 12:22 PM

How simplistic and ignorant of it! If only their were user assignable attribute flags in NTFS... I would have quite a few "DON'T YOU DARE DELETE THIS!!!" files...

07-08-2008, 04:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
DaneBrooke Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle! Posts: 110 OS: Win2000sp4+ My System	Defrag surprise Hi - my file system is NTFS, my pagefile is 384MB, chkdsk reports 140MB used by system and log file 65MB. But defrag analysis shows a contiguous block at the start of my drive that is 'system files' and appears to be about 5 GIGA (!) bytes.... This seems wrong/unlikely. Any ideas? __________________ Dane Brooke Seattle!

07-08-2008, 04:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 12,274 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: Defrag surprise Likley the System Restore files . . __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

07-12-2008, 06:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,321 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: Defrag surprise Not with Windows 2000 it's not, that feature was introduced with Windows ME and was "refined" with windows XP. Perhaps the contiguous block is system files that have not changed or moved, so they would give that appearance? __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

07-12-2008, 09:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
DaneBrooke Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle! Posts: 110 OS: Win2000sp4+ My System	Re: Defrag surprise My OS (like yours) is listed under my name/avatar. __________________ Dane Brooke Seattle!

07-13-2008, 01:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,702 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Defrag surprise 2000 came after me and is the business version of xp so system restore has to be done manually as most businesses do was 2000 installed on a recovery partition inicially __________________

07-13-2008, 10:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,321 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: Defrag surprise Actually 2000 came before XP by a good two years. NT/2000/XP all share the same basic core architecture, whereas Windows 9x (95/98/ME) still had a DOS base that it worked on. XP was the merging of the two operating system paths that provided a single architecture for both business and home users. __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

07-14-2008, 08:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
af3 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,179 OS: XP SP3 & PCLinuxOS Gnome My System	Re: Defrag surprise Tis also the Windows 2000 support section... If you measure the contents of /WINNT and then /WINNT/SYSTEM32, what are their sizes? There are utilities like "Disktective" http://www.disktective.com/ that will show you what weighs what in regards to your hard drive's contents. Pie charts, mmmmm...

07-14-2008, 12:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
DaneBrooke Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle! Posts: 110 OS: Win2000sp4+ My System	Re: Defrag surprise Yes, it appears that because \winnt has the system attribute, defrag treats ALL its content as sytem files. __________________ Dane Brooke Seattle!

07-16-2008, 12:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
af3 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,179 OS: XP SP3 & PCLinuxOS Gnome My System	Re: Defrag surprise How simplistic and ignorant of it! If only their were user assignable attribute flags in NTFS... I would have quite a few "DON'T YOU DARE DELETE THIS!!!" files...