boji

i was trying to network some xp pcs with a win 98 pc. corrupted files forced me to wipe the hard drive and load a clean win 98. i installed sp1 for this as i have the old disk.
i have broadband (cable) and when i try to make an internet connection, i get lost. i have nothing but a dial-up wizard that locks up every time i try to close it. i see no option in the control panel for broadband.

i assumed the internet connection was established by the network setup wizard from xp that i ran on the win 98 machine. i was able to establish network connection with the xp inline to win 98 (xp pro host>>xp home inline>>win 98) but no internet explorer to surf because it is version 4.02? and i cannot make a broadband connection? nothing but that blasted wizard.

i have limited connectivity on the card from the middle pc to the win 98 pc but i can see the win 98 pc with all firewalls off.

please excuse the networking dialog in this forum but my problem seems to be mixed, i really need to know how to get the 98 pc online for upgrades. is this the result of a network setup gone astray or do i need updates for the win 98?

and not to sound TOO stupid but i should be using crossover cables, right?

boji

i managed to master the command box today and got some ipconfig info on the host xp pro and the middle xp home.

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	hostipconfig.txt (5.1 KB, 3 views)
	middleipconfig.txt (1.6 KB, 1 views)

boji

ok now i gave the connection wizard more patience, gave it my area code and made it to through the rest of the set up process and it now is ready to connect via lan. it sees the pc it is connected to but not the ics pc(host).

i have a decent win 98 textbook now 98 unleashed by mcfedries. but i need to know how to configure to have xp and 98. i think i can do it now with some help.

Stu_computer

Well, your getting close and I don't want to take all the fun out of it so I'll just give you a couple of tips for Win98...

Do a Start-Find files for: winipcfg.exe and right click the file, select Create a shorcut (defaults to desktop).

Now you have everything you need on the desktop.

-winipcfg is handy for setting the right adapter for your LAN (hint, ethernet not modem).

Usually there's an Internet Connection Wizard on desktop, some other ways to get to it...
-Start/programs/accessories/internet tools
-Or you can right click the big blue e-properties-connections(tab)-setup(button)
When you run the wizard you want the LAN, not the modem.

-No need to go to the Control Panel to check your network components, just right click Network Neighborhood-properties.

As for the crossover cable, well I don't know how you have the computers connected, it's only needed if it's a direct pc-to-pc connection.

boji

the fun has left me for this years ago (about 2 now the time period i have been trying this off and on) i feel like that dog from the simpson's cartoon who just cannot understand the language even though he hears and recognizes the voices. sorting out hardware troubles along the way does not make it any easier and may hinder the learning process. one needs little gems of success to keep one mining. i am seeing nothing but solid granite.

i was fairly certain i needed to use crossover cable, but with the connection being listed as "limited connectivity" no matter what i did, i thought it was worth the risk of appearing totally lost.

that big blue E led me to a wizard that seemed only to want to make a dial-up connection. i did not see the option for LAN until i actually gave it my area code. i refused to do this many times because it appeared it was related to dial-up. the window then changed (i thought i actually heard homer say "good boy".

the network is... cable modem>>xp pro>>xp home>>win 98 i decided to do it this was because i have no hub (i have 2 routers i suspect may act as hubs, they are faulty and i cannot access the setup page, and yet they allow internet traffic) but i am not going to confuse things with junk any more and do not use them.

it is a bit difficult to network if gaming is the primary usage of the network. my main pc(the host) is the best and the one i use to game.(i use the middle pc, internet hog, to surf and for e-mail (that keeps all the junk off the gamer) i am concerned that if i were to put three netcards into the host, it would slow down too much. i see the temp rises on the host case monitor when the slave is using the net, so i assume it is "busy" doing stuff.

the win 98 pc is for lab and experimental use. i have boxes of old components waiting to be tested and thrown away. i work on my families pcs, to the best of my meager ability. i also have many old games i am afraid will crash my good pc and would like to try them on the 98. if it were not for these issues, i would just forget it. i would just like to finger this out before my new router comes and i put it on the back burner again.

more specifically i suppose i need to know what is required to be setup on the respective different machines. does the 98 need a static address etc.

boji

if there is a good logical flow chart available, it would probably help me.

"if win xp pro host and win xp home middle and win 98 end>>then>>configure this way"

or if you have a network set up like this, then you must boot this pc first then this one yada yada.

if my host gets a new address from the isp everytime i boot, and i want run win 98 in the network somewhere, what do i do.

Stu_computer

Well, I don't think that arrangement is going to work the way you would like. It's used for simple networking 2pc's together. Getting 2 pc's working smoothly with crossover and ICS can be time consuming on it's own.

I suggest it would be a lot easier to use one of the old routers as a simple 3port hub for the LAN side. It's easier to setup/troubleshoot, and all then have direct access to the other pc's.

It'd be easier to resort to the old BNC nic's and a Tee connector, rather than gang pc's with crossovers.

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You could try posting in Networking and asking if this is feasible, and how-to.

[modem]--[pc1,XPpro]-crossover-[pc2,XPhome]-crossover-[pc3,W98]


But I think the overwhelming response will be 'get a router and save yourself a lot of time and trouble'.

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Lan Wiring
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...g/lansetup.htm

Tips for adding the second NIC
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...twonichelp.htm

boji

thanks, lol. yeah i always tread down the wrong path.

so i would most likely have better success with the net if i use another net setup.

so would it be like modem>>xp pro host>>hub>>split to two pcs...?

i would have probably tried that but was unsure if the routers would work as hubs being damaged or whatever. hey anything is worth a try and if all goes ill, i have the disks.

i had many hurdles...two bad routers, a bad cable end, corrupted win 98 and a netcard that claims to be an intel gigabit with a disk that looks like it was home made. i suspect it is a clone (ebay for cheap)

thanks man i appreciate the help.

Stu_computer

Oh, you probably learned more than you realize by poking around. I've had trainee's that panicked when something 'didn't work the way it's supposed to'.

I don't know the make-n-model of the router so I can't really say how it should work. There are different ways to set one up, all depends on make-n-model. Usually, you have to cycle the power on the modem for it to communicate with the router. Some have the setup in a ROM chip and you just plug into a lan port and use your browser to do setup at
http:// 192.168.0.1
and there are some that have pc minimum requirements for changing the default settings, etc.
Yep, that's the idea. If the router's wan port doesn't work, you can put the modem in a lan port then connect the pc to each port to verify all the lan ports are working. If the ports are okay then you can connect the 3 pc's to the ports as a lan and one pc acts as a gateway to the modem.