[SOLVED] Several questions on win98 FE

win98forever · 09-07-2009, 10:00 AM

I want to replace W2K on this HD as it is too slow or the 366processor or vice versa. I have dban. I need to get all the updates and fixes like USB flash readers, and any other modernizations there are for win98 onto a flash drive and the USB flash drivers onto a floppy before I nook it. Where can I get these things? I won't know how to choose from a group so I'm seeking a unified site for win98 or at least an updates and fixes for dummies page.

I'll probably also need the bios and drivers (also grouped or labeled as load this one.) for the computer, a real supped up job this one, Daewoo Future Power CT6490! WOW look at it go...

I have win98 on another HD (the OEM hd) which I have forgotten the password to. How do I get in and retake possession? I want to run them as a pair, but I need to retake the one and reload the other. I am choosing to DBAN the second and future primary drive so that I know it is a clean drive and I won't have a bunch of old stuff to deal with. I am going to keep the OEM drive offline to protect it. I have the OEM Win 98 disc.

Thank you

win98forever · 09-07-2009, 10:53 AM

I'm looking through the links provided by the sticky thread about ending support and I'm lost. I see nothing about a list of win98 updates. I can't decipher the deliberately obtuse language or setup on the pages I click through to either.
I simply want to download so I can save the Service Packs MS sent us for Win98.

Geekgirl · 09-07-2009, 02:32 PM

The last time I needed the Windows Updates for Win98 I just used the Start Menu/Windows Update link and it will load and tell you what to install.

http://support.microsoft.com/ph/1139

You will need this too
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

As for your forgotten password, unfortunately we cannot assist with this as it is against the rules.

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win98forever · 09-10-2009, 10:02 AM

Thanks but I'm trying to keep this drive offline since it has come under attack pretty much everytime I have gone onliune with it since about two years ago now.
It is my original and has ten years worth ofmy stuff onit. I almost lost it allonce I'd rathernot riskit again.
So what I am asking for is a place to get those downloads so I can put them on a floppy and have them. I want to be able to load win98 with all the SP's and updates w/o having to go online.
Thanks

Geekgirl · 09-10-2009, 10:41 AM

Heres is Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1, you will need this, but I have no other links to refer to...http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

**TheOutcaste** · 09-10-2009, 10:55 AM

You can find a link to the Win98 Customer Service Pack (Win98 SP1) and other updates on this site:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#SP1

Some of the links may be to 3rd party updates rather than to Microsoft official updates, so be aware of that.

You can also search the Microsoft Download Center for Windows 98

**blah789** · 09-10-2009, 12:01 PM

The system's so old there's nearly no references to it on the web.
I'd advise, if you're still on Windows 2000, to go into device manager (start, run, devmgmt.msc) and grab the names of all the devices. Then you can work on searching for drivers. In particular you'll need chipset, graphics, sound, ethernet, modem, monitor. Report them here if you need help.

To get updates from Microsoft, go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com . It still works for Windows 98 last time I checked (which was many months back). You'll need Internet Explorer 6 for it to work properly though.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...b-20b602228de6
The link only has the installer (Microsoft insists you install it while connected to the net...) If you're having trouble connecting to the net to grab it, I can zip the whole kaboodle and upload it. It's also sometimes available on those AOL CD's.

I'd also grab windows installer 2.0
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...2-de3bb768148f
DirectX 9.0c october 2006
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
Windows Media Player 7.1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-0893b2c40a62

You'll probably also want some antivirus and a firewall (super-important). And the latest version of firefox you can use with it is 2.0.0.20.

The problem with all this is you want to transfer via USB. Windows 98 doesn't have native support for USB. You can get this driver
http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
but you'll have to get it onto the PC some way other than via USB (it fits on a floppy).

win98forever · 09-20-2009, 11:07 AM

Thank You.
I have the USB driver on a floppy now which is the main thing I wanted. Myn machine is very slow and I am w/o my laptop so I am limiting what I attempt to do with it until I get the laptop back. I will get the win98 updates then. If I can use a USB I'll be able to transfer the files I want and that way I can upgrade to 64 bit across the board. I'll post as soon as I load the USB driver if it works or not.

Thank You all again.

win98forever · 09-25-2009, 12:09 PM

I'm Baaack.
Ok the program worked like a dreamand I got the info I wanted to save onto a memory stick.
Now I wanted to clean the drive of all it's baggage from ten years so I dban'd it then I tried to reload win98 and Iam stuck.
First last night I placed the disc in and it was formatting. At 63% it started to go very slow and took about 20+ minutes to add 1%I went to bedwith it running it was up to 67%. This morning it had stpopped and said there was a disc error. I tried to reinstall but it kept taking me to a message of remove floppy discs and restart. there was no floppy. I also tried to install W2K thinking it had more tools to fix disc errors but it wasn't recognized So I dban'd it again.
Then I ran fdisk and then I tried to install win98 again. It startedto format and slowed down real slow at 63% again so I restarted. Now it freezes at a message of; something "needs 7340032 bytes avail" and it just sits there.
I really doubt the HD is bad as it never had a problem before.

So I am thinking I am not doing this procedurally correctly. What is the procedure to install win98 on a freshly dban'd HD? This last attempt to install since it froze the first time I tried to install it told me there was a single partition already.
Oh yea there was an option for a large disc, it said my drive was bigger than 512 mb, I selected it maybe that's the problem? I think the drive is 4gig. Itis the drive that came with this computer.
I suspect I will have to run a full dban instead of the default one. I don't know.

**TheOutcaste** · 09-25-2009, 12:48 PM

Should just need to fdisk (you do need to enable large disk support), reboot, format, start smartdrv if it wasn't already started by autoexec.bat, then run setup.

I would download and run the diagnostics from the hard drive manufacturer. It could have some bad sectors that's causing Win98 format program to have problems.
Or, boot to the Win2K Recovery Console and run chkdsk /R

Hard Drive Diagnostics:

Seagate/Maxtor
Western Digital
IBM/Hitachi
Fujitsu/Seimens

Free Hard Drive Testing Applications:
HD Tune
HDAT2 (Diagnostics and bad sector recovery)
MHDD Low-level Diagnostics
Bootable Hitachi Drive Fitness Test Floppy or CD Image (works on most drives)

Description of the Windows 2000 Recovery Console

win98forever · 09-25-2009, 11:12 PM

I tried the W2K disk and couldn’t get restore to come up.
I put win98 back in and some how got it to fdisk. I then ran format which took 8 hours. I restarted and tried to run setup.
I chose the choices to install win98. it went to scandisk and quickly scanned and came back to this message; [the brackets are mine;]
[ Please wait while setup initializes
Scanning system registry...
Windows setup requires 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive.
Please remove any floppy disks from your drives and press any key to restart your system.]
I left the win98 CD in the D drive and restarted. I got this message;

[Invalid System Disk
Replace the disk and then press any key]
No key I pressed had any apparent effect I used crtl/alt/delete to restart

I then got this screen;
[Please wait while setup initializes
Scanning system registry...
Windows setup requires 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive.
D:\>]
I entered several commands with no effect setup, run, autorun, install, setup win98. Only those commands with setup had any effect and that was the scandisk and back to the meassage in brackets. The D:\> curser was there automatically.

Why isn’t it autorunning? What commands might I try? Should I have removed the CD when it asked me to remove floppy’s? I’m gonna try restarting with the boot disk in except I’m not sure what commands to use. I’m hoping it’ll make the CD autorun.

Jlp1928 · 09-26-2009, 06:07 AM

Hi,

Just a thought: Sounds like you used the Win98 startup disk Format with sector recovery. That is a FULL format with bad sector recovery option. It does take a lot longer than the QUICKY formats that don't check anything. It does not take that long on a good drive. The indication is that it took a long time because the drive had numerous bad sectors.

Good Luck

Jim

win98forever · 09-26-2009, 09:33 AM

Jlp1928
I'm not sure what you meant. If the Format with Sector recovery worked then fine. It was the OEM win98 CD that did the format. It was the only option available as I had wiped the drive with Dban and run Fdisk, except stopping, and since there is no longer an OS on the drive that isn't really an option. I tried several configurations and attempts. Listed above was the last round after I finally successfully formatted.
When I tried to get the HD running with the boot disk (floppy) I set the bios to start A:\ first and it only gave me the DOSscreen with the A:\ curser and none of the commands I tried did anything. So the floppy was unsuccessful. There doesn't seem to be anything in the win98 booklet about installing or running the boot disk(I’m guessing the same as startup disk) either. As I recall it is all supposed to be autorun, the boot disk and the OS CD.

The Quick Scandisk was done by the Win98 OEM CD as it setup, (BIOS set to CDROM first when doing this, I also tried with all other BIOS and CMOS settings set to default. Except for CD-ROM first) then it froze with the listed messages above.

It just now occurs to me that the OEM setting was A: drive first and that may be why the win98 CD isn’t loading properly. I will try that and let you know.

Thanks for the input you may have helped me solve it. I’ll be back :-)

**TheOutcaste** · 09-26-2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by win98forever

I tried the W2K disk and couldn’t get restore to come up.

Are you saying you can't boot from the Win2K CD, or the Recovery Console wouldn't load after selecting the C option?

Quote:

Originally Posted by win98forever

I put win98 back in and some how got it to fdisk. I then ran format which took 8 hours. I restarted and tried to run setup.
I chose the choices to install win98. it went to scandisk and quickly scanned and came back to this message; [the brackets are mine;]
[ Please wait while setup initializes
Scanning system registry...
Windows setup requires 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive.
Please remove any floppy disks from your drives and press any key to restart your system.]

Eight hours is way too long for a good drive, and I'm assuming you didn't use the /C option to try to recover bad sectors.

This message says it doesn't see the disk as being formatted, or formatted as something it can recognize. This is the same message you get if you power off the PC when you are only 1/2 way through formating the drive, so it's indicating a drive problem.
If you run FDISK again, does it show the SYSTEM as Unknown? (#4 to show partition info)
You can also run scandisk on the drive from the Win98 startup disk, see if it reports errors.
Running the drive manufactures diagnostic would be a good idea too. It sounds like you have a bad hard drive.

Is your floppy disk an actual Win98 Startup disk? You should get a menu with three choices, to start with or without CD-ROM support, or to display help. It should also tell you the drive letter that the tools were installed on. If it's not, you may want to download on from www.bootdisk.com. I'd use the Win98SE OEM disk, not the Custom disk.

The boot disk does not autorun setup, though booting from the CD should, if you choose the With CD-ROM support option.

Jlp1928 · 09-27-2009, 09:33 AM

Hi again Win,

I'm not really up on all the post and replies.

If boot order, for example, is Floppy, CD, Harddrive then if there is a bootable disk in the floppy it will boot first. If no floppy disk and there is a bootable CD then it will boot first. If neither and there is a bootable HardDrive then it will boot.

You must not have tried Format with /C (recheck all bad sectors and repair if). the one on the 98 CD is the same as the one on the floppy.

The Startup floppy not only is bootable but also has CD drivers and other helpful programs.

I have never seen a MS 98/98SE install CD that is bootable. Autorun if inserted after Windoze is active is always present.

My experience has been that no earlier version of Windoze will load successfully over a later version. You would need to FDisk and Format first.

I'm sure you already know or the help here has informed you of all of this, but maybe there is a little help here.

More Luck,

Jim

win98forever · 10-01-2009, 01:18 PM

here we go again. I have my laptop back which after all the screaming I did at best buy the fixed me buy putting a bad HD in it again. I just wrote this whole messgae and the3n suddenly my screen went to triple magnifying and when I had reduced it back the font is changed. I hate them.

OK Sorry for nmot replyiong but I nmade a huge mistake and ruined ther only working computer drive I had. I reread the manual more clsely and one must press X after scandisk to load windows.
The win98 startup disk is probably corrupted. After several fdisk's and formats the best I could get was to loading windows files and then it stopped with a message indicating the file wazss corrupted. I don't know if this means the disc or the floppy.
I have the win98 and W2K drive on the same machine and alternately move the IDE cable.
I moved thew cable and restarted w/o removing the win98 startup disk. I forgot what I was doing because I left the room for coffee or something and I pressed ok until the startup disk to get to the point where it told me the fdrive needed a format. Then I realized what I had done. I stopped, restarted with the W2K disk in it but the mcahine either did not see it or occasionally loaded the files then went blue screen on me. I couldn't5 fix it so after I was through with trying on the other drive ran a format on the W2k system with win98 and tried to load it there. No luck.
I'm guessin the discs for both OS' are corrupt.

I need a break.

Umm yes Outcaste the W2k recovery console never loaded or showed up when I pressed C. The win98 startup disc is one I made a few weeks ago on this machine.

win98forever · 10-04-2009, 11:46 AM

Thank you everyone I'm going to close this thread for now. I decided to fix my other laptop so I have a backup and I'll just have to let Win98 and W2K go for now. I'll work on that tower again when I have more time later in winter.

Thanks so much for all the help it makes a huge difference to someone like me having you folks here.

09-07-2009, 10:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	[SOLVED] Several questions on win98 FE I want to replace W2K on this HD as it is too slow or the 366processor or vice versa. I have dban. I need to get all the updates and fixes like USB flash readers, and any other modernizations there are for win98 onto a flash drive and the USB flash drivers onto a floppy before I nook it. Where can I get these things? I won't know how to choose from a group so I'm seeking a unified site for win98 or at least an updates and fixes for dummies page. I'll probably also need the bios and drivers (also grouped or labeled as load this one.) for the computer, a real supped up job this one, Daewoo Future Power CT6490! WOW look at it go... I have win98 on another HD (the OEM hd) which I have forgotten the password to. How do I get in and retake possession? I want to run them as a pair, but I need to retake the one and reload the other. I am choosing to DBAN the second and future primary drive so that I know it is a clean drive and I won't have a bunch of old stuff to deal with. I am going to keep the OEM drive offline to protect it. I have the OEM Win 98 disc. Thank you Last edited by win98forever; 09-07-2009 at 10:06 AM.

09-07-2009, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE I'm looking through the links provided by the sticky thread about ending support and I'm lost. I see nothing about a list of win98 updates. I can't decipher the deliberately obtuse language or setup on the pages I click through to either. I simply want to download so I can save the Service Packs MS sent us for Win98.

09-10-2009, 10:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Thanks but I'm trying to keep this drive offline since it has come under attack pretty much everytime I have gone onliune with it since about two years ago now. It is my original and has ten years worth ofmy stuff onit. I almost lost it allonce I'd rathernot riskit again. So what I am asking for is a place to get those downloads so I can put them on a floppy and have them. I want to be able to load win98 with all the SP's and updates w/o having to go online. Thanks Last edited by win98forever; 09-10-2009 at 10:10 AM.

09-10-2009, 10:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
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09-10-2009, 10:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
TheOutcaste TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 815 OS: MS-Dos 6.22 - Win7	Re: Several questions on win98 FE You can find a link to the Win98 Customer Service Pack (Win98 SP1) and other updates on this site: http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#SP1 Some of the links may be to 3rd party updates rather than to Microsoft official updates, so be aware of that. You can also search the Microsoft Download Center for Windows 98 __________________ Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Of course I know all the answers; I just don't always match the answers to the right questions. Rated R for Violence -- When your PC flies through a window, that's violent, right?

09-10-2009, 12:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
blah789 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,284 OS: Windows 2000 SP4 and Windows XP SP3	Re: Several questions on win98 FE The system's so old there's nearly no references to it on the web. I'd advise, if you're still on Windows 2000, to go into device manager (start, run, devmgmt.msc) and grab the names of all the devices. Then you can work on searching for drivers. In particular you'll need chipset, graphics, sound, ethernet, modem, monitor. Report them here if you need help. To get updates from Microsoft, go to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com . It still works for Windows 98 last time I checked (which was many months back). You'll need Internet Explorer 6 for it to work properly though. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...b-20b602228de6 The link only has the installer (Microsoft insists you install it while connected to the net...) If you're having trouble connecting to the net to grab it, I can zip the whole kaboodle and upload it. It's also sometimes available on those AOL CD's. I'd also grab windows installer 2.0 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...2-de3bb768148f DirectX 9.0c october 2006 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en Windows Media Player 7.1 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...9-0893b2c40a62 You'll probably also want some antivirus and a firewall (super-important). And the latest version of firefox you can use with it is 2.0.0.20. The problem with all this is you want to transfer via USB. Windows 98 doesn't have native support for USB. You can get this driver http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php but you'll have to get it onto the PC some way other than via USB (it fits on a floppy).

09-20-2009, 11:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Thank You. I have the USB driver on a floppy now which is the main thing I wanted. Myn machine is very slow and I am w/o my laptop so I am limiting what I attempt to do with it until I get the laptop back. I will get the win98 updates then. If I can use a USB I'll be able to transfer the files I want and that way I can upgrade to 64 bit across the board. I'll post as soon as I load the USB driver if it works or not. Thank You all again.

09-25-2009, 12:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE I'm Baaack. Ok the program worked like a dreamand I got the info I wanted to save onto a memory stick. Now I wanted to clean the drive of all it's baggage from ten years so I dban'd it then I tried to reload win98 and Iam stuck. First last night I placed the disc in and it was formatting. At 63% it started to go very slow and took about 20+ minutes to add 1%I went to bedwith it running it was up to 67%. This morning it had stpopped and said there was a disc error. I tried to reinstall but it kept taking me to a message of remove floppy discs and restart. there was no floppy. I also tried to install W2K thinking it had more tools to fix disc errors but it wasn't recognized So I dban'd it again. Then I ran fdisk and then I tried to install win98 again. It startedto format and slowed down real slow at 63% again so I restarted. Now it freezes at a message of; something "needs 7340032 bytes avail" and it just sits there. I really doubt the HD is bad as it never had a problem before. So I am thinking I am not doing this procedurally correctly. What is the procedure to install win98 on a freshly dban'd HD? This last attempt to install since it froze the first time I tried to install it told me there was a single partition already. Oh yea there was an option for a large disc, it said my drive was bigger than 512 mb, I selected it maybe that's the problem? I think the drive is 4gig. Itis the drive that came with this computer. I suspect I will have to run a full dban instead of the default one. I don't know.

09-25-2009, 12:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
TheOutcaste TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 815 OS: MS-Dos 6.22 - Win7	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Should just need to fdisk (you do need to enable large disk support), reboot, format, start smartdrv if it wasn't already started by autoexec.bat, then run setup. I would download and run the diagnostics from the hard drive manufacturer. It could have some bad sectors that's causing Win98 format program to have problems. Or, boot to the Win2K Recovery Console and run chkdsk /R Hard Drive Diagnostics: Seagate/Maxtor Western Digital IBM/Hitachi Fujitsu/Seimens Free Hard Drive Testing Applications: HD Tune HDAT2 (Diagnostics and bad sector recovery) MHDD Low-level Diagnostics Bootable Hitachi Drive Fitness Test Floppy or CD Image (works on most drives) Description of the Windows 2000 Recovery Console __________________ Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Of course I know all the answers; I just don't always match the answers to the right questions. Rated R for Violence -- When your PC flies through a window, that's violent, right?

09-25-2009, 11:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE I tried the W2K disk and couldn’t get restore to come up. I put win98 back in and some how got it to fdisk. I then ran format which took 8 hours. I restarted and tried to run setup. I chose the choices to install win98. it went to scandisk and quickly scanned and came back to this message; [the brackets are mine;] [ Please wait while setup initializes Scanning system registry... Windows setup requires 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive. Please remove any floppy disks from your drives and press any key to restart your system.] I left the win98 CD in the D drive and restarted. I got this message; [Invalid System Disk Replace the disk and then press any key] No key I pressed had any apparent effect I used crtl/alt/delete to restart I then got this screen; [Please wait while setup initializes Scanning system registry... Windows setup requires 7340032 bytes available on your C: drive. D:\>] I entered several commands with no effect setup, run, autorun, install, setup win98. Only those commands with setup had any effect and that was the scandisk and back to the meassage in brackets. The D:\> curser was there automatically. Why isn’t it autorunning? What commands might I try? Should I have removed the CD when it asked me to remove floppy’s? I’m gonna try restarting with the boot disk in except I’m not sure what commands to use. I’m hoping it’ll make the CD autorun.

09-26-2009, 06:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Hi, Just a thought: Sounds like you used the Win98 startup disk Format with sector recovery. That is a FULL format with bad sector recovery option. It does take a lot longer than the QUICKY formats that don't check anything. It does not take that long on a good drive. The indication is that it took a long time because the drive had numerous bad sectors. Good Luck Jim

09-26-2009, 09:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Jlp1928 I'm not sure what you meant. If the Format with Sector recovery worked then fine. It was the OEM win98 CD that did the format. It was the only option available as I had wiped the drive with Dban and run Fdisk, except stopping, and since there is no longer an OS on the drive that isn't really an option. I tried several configurations and attempts. Listed above was the last round after I finally successfully formatted. When I tried to get the HD running with the boot disk (floppy) I set the bios to start A:\ first and it only gave me the DOSscreen with the A:\ curser and none of the commands I tried did anything. So the floppy was unsuccessful. There doesn't seem to be anything in the win98 booklet about installing or running the boot disk(I’m guessing the same as startup disk) either. As I recall it is all supposed to be autorun, the boot disk and the OS CD. The Quick Scandisk was done by the Win98 OEM CD as it setup, (BIOS set to CDROM first when doing this, I also tried with all other BIOS and CMOS settings set to default. Except for CD-ROM first) then it froze with the listed messages above. It just now occurs to me that the OEM setting was A: drive first and that may be why the win98 CD isn’t loading properly. I will try that and let you know. Thanks for the input you may have helped me solve it. I’ll be back :-)

09-27-2009, 09:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Hi again Win, I'm not really up on all the post and replies. If boot order, for example, is Floppy, CD, Harddrive then if there is a bootable disk in the floppy it will boot first. If no floppy disk and there is a bootable CD then it will boot first. If neither and there is a bootable HardDrive then it will boot. You must not have tried Format with /C (recheck all bad sectors and repair if). the one on the 98 CD is the same as the one on the floppy. The Startup floppy not only is bootable but also has CD drivers and other helpful programs. I have never seen a MS 98/98SE install CD that is bootable. Autorun if inserted after Windoze is active is always present. My experience has been that no earlier version of Windoze will load successfully over a later version. You would need to FDisk and Format first. I'm sure you already know or the help here has informed you of all of this, but maybe there is a little help here. More Luck, Jim

10-01-2009, 01:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE here we go again. I have my laptop back which after all the screaming I did at best buy the fixed me buy putting a bad HD in it again. I just wrote this whole messgae and the3n suddenly my screen went to triple magnifying and when I had reduced it back the font is changed. I hate them. OK Sorry for nmot replyiong but I nmade a huge mistake and ruined ther only working computer drive I had. I reread the manual more clsely and one must press X after scandisk to load windows. The win98 startup disk is probably corrupted. After several fdisk's and formats the best I could get was to loading windows files and then it stopped with a message indicating the file wazss corrupted. I don't know if this means the disc or the floppy. I have the win98 and W2K drive on the same machine and alternately move the IDE cable. I moved thew cable and restarted w/o removing the win98 startup disk. I forgot what I was doing because I left the room for coffee or something and I pressed ok until the startup disk to get to the point where it told me the fdrive needed a format. Then I realized what I had done. I stopped, restarted with the W2K disk in it but the mcahine either did not see it or occasionally loaded the files then went blue screen on me. I couldn't5 fix it so after I was through with trying on the other drive ran a format on the W2k system with win98 and tried to load it there. No luck. I'm guessin the discs for both OS' are corrupt. I need a break. Umm yes Outcaste the W2k recovery console never loaded or showed up when I pressed C. The win98 startup disc is one I made a few weeks ago on this machine.

10-04-2009, 11:46 AM	#17 (permalink)
win98forever Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 113 OS: w2k	Re: Several questions on win98 FE Thank you everyone I'm going to close this thread for now. I decided to fix my other laptop so I have a backup and I'll just have to let Win98 and W2K go for now. I'll work on that tower again when I have more time later in winter. Thanks so much for all the help it makes a huge difference to someone like me having you folks here.