trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p

0ldsch00l · 07-16-2007, 12:26 PM

my w98SE pc (20gb disk, 13gb free, 128mb ram) is refusing to complete scandsk/defrag (even in selective startup mode via msconfig). gui version keeps rechecking files/folders without ever completing. the command prompt route stops partway - stops and says delete a file. don't know which file i need to delete. also tried using the ME version of defrag (apparently it ignores other background progs running) - no joy. h e l p !

**manic** · 07-16-2007, 01:21 PM

Try it in safe mode. Tap f8 key prior to 98 loading, select safe.

**Bartender** · 07-16-2007, 07:26 PM

If the above doesn't work, might want to try memtest. Tried to help a guy whose PC wouldn't finish scandisk, turned out one of this two memory sticks was failing.

Jlp1928 · 07-17-2007, 05:55 AM

Hi,
That problem is sometimes caused by a Hard Drive that is too full. That also may account for the error message you are getting. You should always have at least about 20 to 25 percent free space. Programs need space to breathe. Dump everything you don't need. Safe mode will sometimes work.

Good Luck, Jim

0ldsch00l · 07-18-2007, 11:49 AM

Thanks everyone for your responses.
Tried safe mode - no success - keeps reading folders repeatedly without completing.
Tried memtest - after > 2hrs of tests, i interrupted when it had competed 4 out of 10 tests (without errors) - should I have let it continue ?
On hdd space - currently there is 13 Gb of free space.
I am lost guys ....

**manic** · 07-18-2007, 01:06 PM

go to manufacturers web site of the drive, run there diagnostics, usually
a bootable floppy. Make sure its for win98.

**Bartender** · 07-19-2007, 07:54 AM

It took 2 hours to complete 4 of the 10 tests? Sheez, that's pretty slow. I'd let it loop all night, though from my limited experience bad memory starts creating faults within the first ten or fifteen minutes so I'm guessing that's not your problem.

0ldsch00l · 07-23-2007, 01:00 PM

my hdd is a fujitsu MPE3204AT (a pretty standard model it seems), but did I have any luck finding any utility at their site? NO. contacted them via email - no reply whatsoever! if anyone can help, I'd be grateful.

**manic** · 07-23-2007, 01:43 PM

From the searching Ive done, the drive is obsolete, you may be sol
in finding there diagnostic tool.

Geekgirl · 07-24-2007, 07:57 AM

fujitsu is found on this site and they do have a diagnostic utility

0ldsch00l · 07-25-2007, 07:46 AM

Thanks Geekgirl. Downloaded the utility, ran both the 'quick' and 'comprehensive' diagnostics and it reported back that the disk is perfectly healthy.

**Bartender** · 07-25-2007, 07:17 PM

So, where you at on this? The HDD checks out OK but you're still with the original problem?

Jlp1928 · 08-01-2007, 06:19 AM

Hi again,

I just experienced the same problem last night. Drive had plenty of head room. It worked OK from Safe Mode.

Jim

0ldsch00l · 08-05-2007, 06:35 AM

Reran utility (return = healthy) followed by Scandisk/ Defrag - alas no improvement. So still left with the original problem.

Geekgirl · 08-05-2007, 09:03 AM

Download and install CleanUp! but do not run it yet.

*WARNING* Cleanup deletes EVERYTHING out of temp/temporary folders and does not make backups.

Open Cleanup! by double-clicking the icon on your desktop (or from the Start > All Programs menu). Set the program up as follows:
*Click "Options..."
*Move the arrow down to "Custom CleanUp!"
*Put a check next to the following:

Empty Recycle Bins
Delete Cookies
Delete Prefetch files
Cleanup! All Users
Click on the “Temporary Files” and uncheck the box for “Scan drives for file matching” if it’s checked.

Click OK
Press the CleanUp! button to start the program. Reboot/logoff when prompted.

Quote:

1.Set Windows to show all files. To do this, open Windows Explorer, and on the Tools menu, Click Folder Options.
2.Click the View tab, click Show all files for Windows 98 or Show hidden files and folders, Click Apply and then click OK.
3.Delete the Applog folder from C:\Windows, and then run the Disk Cleanup Tool.
The Disk Cleanup Tool provides an easy interface to remove temporary internet files, .tmp files, and other optional components. To start the Disk Cleanup Tool:

1.Click Start, point to Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click Disk Cleanup.
2.Select the drive you wish to clean up, and then click OK.
3.The Disk Cleanup menu is displayed with the files that you need to delete are already selected. NOTE: If you wish to take this opportunity to remove other items that are not automatically selected you can do so. If you are not familiar with the Disk Cleanup Tool, you might want to remove the items at a later date. For additional information about the Disk Cleanup Tool, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
186099 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/186099/EN-US/) Description of the Disk Cleanup Tool in Windows 98
After you have removed the Applog folder and the temporary files in the steps above, run ScanDisk and then run the Disk Deframenter again.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q218160/

0ldsch00l · 11-04-2007, 05:50 AM

good news!! heard a random comment on TV about a site called bootdisk.com
Decided to visited the site - downloaded boot disk for W98SE - booted off floppy and carried out a scandisk successfully (it said disk size is not being reported correctly, click on button to fix prob) - then rebooted pc normally - ran defrag and success!! a happy chappy I am at last. the defrag happened at a blistering pace, previously it was at a snail's pace (perhaps a clue for future reference). I now sleep with the floppy under my pillow.
Many thanks to everyone for advice/comments. TSF.com rules !!

Jlp1928 · 11-04-2007, 09:32 AM

Hi Oldschool,

I am also "OLDSchool". I have done the same thing many times before. Sorry I did not remember it. My Rememberer is faulty. My Forgetter is 100%. Thanks for the feedback.

Jim

Geekgirl · 11-04-2007, 06:47 PM

Need a memory upgrade Jim?

Glad to hear oldschool is a happy camper

Jlp1928 · 11-05-2007, 06:11 AM

Hi Geekgirl,

Yes, I do need a memory upgrade. Can you tell me what brand and specs I should look for? I have been unable to determine that as mine has been obselete for many many years.

Jim

Geekgirl · 11-05-2007, 11:06 AM

Hehe...give me your specs and I can help you out

07-16-2007, 12:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p my w98SE pc (20gb disk, 13gb free, 128mb ram) is refusing to complete scandsk/defrag (even in selective startup mode via msconfig). gui version keeps rechecking files/folders without ever completing. the command prompt route stops partway - stops and says delete a file. don't know which file i need to delete. also tried using the ME version of defrag (apparently it ignores other background progs running) - no joy. h e l p !

07-16-2007, 01:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
manic Mod Hardware Team Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 5,244 OS: xp	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Try it in safe mode. Tap f8 key prior to 98 loading, select safe. __________________

07-16-2007, 07:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p If the above doesn't work, might want to try memtest. Tried to help a guy whose PC wouldn't finish scandisk, turned out one of this two memory sticks was failing.

07-17-2007, 05:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Hi, That problem is sometimes caused by a Hard Drive that is too full. That also may account for the error message you are getting. You should always have at least about 20 to 25 percent free space. Programs need space to breathe. Dump everything you don't need. Safe mode will sometimes work. Good Luck, Jim

07-18-2007, 11:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Thanks everyone for your responses. Tried safe mode - no success - keeps reading folders repeatedly without completing. Tried memtest - after > 2hrs of tests, i interrupted when it had competed 4 out of 10 tests (without errors) - should I have let it continue ? On hdd space - currently there is 13 Gb of free space. I am lost guys ....

07-18-2007, 01:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
manic Mod Hardware Team Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 5,244 OS: xp	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p go to manufacturers web site of the drive, run there diagnostics, usually a bootable floppy. Make sure its for win98. __________________

07-19-2007, 07:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p It took 2 hours to complete 4 of the 10 tests? Sheez, that's pretty slow. I'd let it loop all night, though from my limited experience bad memory starts creating faults within the first ten or fifteen minutes so I'm guessing that's not your problem.

07-23-2007, 01:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p my hdd is a fujitsu MPE3204AT (a pretty standard model it seems), but did I have any luck finding any utility at their site? NO. contacted them via email - no reply whatsoever! if anyone can help, I'd be grateful.

07-23-2007, 01:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
manic Mod Hardware Team Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 5,244 OS: xp	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p From the searching Ive done, the drive is obsolete, you may be sol in finding there diagnostic tool. __________________

07-24-2007, 07:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
Geekgirl Assistant Manager, Microsoft Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Six-burgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 14,171 OS: XP Home SP3/XP Pro SP3/Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Professional	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p fujitsu is found on this site and they do have a diagnostic utility __________________ Compare NOD32 to your current antivirus and anti-spyware solution, HERE How to back up and restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista Or Windows 7 How to back up and restore the registry in Windows 98/ ME / NT 4.0 / 2000 I DO NOT ACCEPT EMAILS AND WILL NOT REPLY TO THEM !!!!! TSF DOES NOT SUPPORT ASSISTANCE THROUGH EMAIL OR PRIVATE MESSAGES, PLEASE KEEP ALL QUESTIONS IN THE OPEN FORUM *The Pittsburgh Steelers - 6 X Superbowl Champions !!!!!!!* *The Pittsburgh Penguins - 2009 Stanley Cup Champions !!!!!!!*

07-25-2007, 07:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Thanks Geekgirl. Downloaded the utility, ran both the 'quick' and 'comprehensive' diagnostics and it reported back that the disk is perfectly healthy.

07-25-2007, 07:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bartender Mentally divergent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chehalis, WA, USA Posts: 1,285 OS: W2K, Ubuntu 8.04	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p So, where you at on this? The HDD checks out OK but you're still with the original problem?

08-01-2007, 06:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Hi again, I just experienced the same problem last night. Drive had plenty of head room. It worked OK from Safe Mode. Jim

08-05-2007, 06:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Reran utility (return = healthy) followed by Scandisk/ Defrag - alas no improvement. So still left with the original problem.

11-04-2007, 05:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
0ldsch00l Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8 OS: W98	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p good news!! heard a random comment on TV about a site called bootdisk.com Decided to visited the site - downloaded boot disk for W98SE - booted off floppy and carried out a scandisk successfully (it said disk size is not being reported correctly, click on button to fix prob) - then rebooted pc normally - ran defrag and success!! a happy chappy I am at last. the defrag happened at a blistering pace, previously it was at a snail's pace (perhaps a clue for future reference). I now sleep with the floppy under my pillow. Many thanks to everyone for advice/comments. TSF.com rules !!

11-04-2007, 09:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Hi Oldschool, I am also "OLDSchool". I have done the same thing many times before. Sorry I did not remember it. My Rememberer is faulty. My Forgetter is 100%. Thanks for the feedback. Jim

11-04-2007, 06:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
Geekgirl Assistant Manager, Microsoft Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Six-burgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 14,171 OS: XP Home SP3/XP Pro SP3/Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Professional	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Need a memory upgrade Jim? Glad to hear oldschool is a happy camper __________________ Compare NOD32 to your current antivirus and anti-spyware solution, HERE How to back up and restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista Or Windows 7 How to back up and restore the registry in Windows 98/ ME / NT 4.0 / 2000 I DO NOT ACCEPT EMAILS AND WILL NOT REPLY TO THEM !!!!! TSF DOES NOT SUPPORT ASSISTANCE THROUGH EMAIL OR PRIVATE MESSAGES, PLEASE KEEP ALL QUESTIONS IN THE OPEN FORUM *The Pittsburgh Steelers - 6 X Superbowl Champions !!!!!!!* *The Pittsburgh Penguins - 2009 Stanley Cup Champions !!!!!!!*

11-05-2007, 06:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jlp1928 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 440 OS: Win98, XP, 2000	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Hi Geekgirl, Yes, I do need a memory upgrade. Can you tell me what brand and specs I should look for? I have been unable to determine that as mine has been obselete for many many years. Jim

11-05-2007, 11:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
Geekgirl Assistant Manager, Microsoft Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Six-burgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 14,171 OS: XP Home SP3/XP Pro SP3/Vista Ultimate SP2/Windows 7 Professional	Re: trouble with scandisk/defrag - h e l p Hehe...give me your specs and I can help you out __________________ Compare NOD32 to your current antivirus and anti-spyware solution, HERE How to back up and restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista Or Windows 7 How to back up and restore the registry in Windows 98/ ME / NT 4.0 / 2000 I DO NOT ACCEPT EMAILS AND WILL NOT REPLY TO THEM !!!!! TSF DOES NOT SUPPORT ASSISTANCE THROUGH EMAIL OR PRIVATE MESSAGES, PLEASE KEEP ALL QUESTIONS IN THE OPEN FORUM *The Pittsburgh Steelers - 6 X Superbowl Champions !!!!!!!* *The Pittsburgh Penguins - 2009 Stanley Cup Champions !!!!!!!*