Problems with nVidia 5700 FX and my moniter

Pikeman85 · 03-22-2006, 11:47 AM

I have been having problems on and off with a particular combination of driver, moniter and video card for the past few months.

My video card is an nVidia 5700 FX.

My moniter is a Gateway 2000 Vivitron 17" (I do not have a gateway, but bought the moniter from a friend for a cheap price as he wanted to upgrade)

And my drivers vary.

Now the problem is, is that when I completely update my drivers to the most advanced form released by nVidia.. the moniter goes blank when I try to load most any sort of program that is graphically intensive. This does not occur when I use the drivers included on the Microsoft XP SP2 CD (default microsoft driver)

Now, at first I thought it was a driver or video card problem, but recently I tested my computer with another moniter entirely, and it worked completely fine, no problems whatsoever even with the most updated drivers. Is this a known problem with this moniter type? Any solutions anyone can think of? I know the most obvious one is to not use anything beyond the default, but there are graphics applications and games that I would like to use that not only recommend but now REQUIRE the updated drivers.

Does anyone have any solution? Or any reason why this might be wrong and how to fix it? It is DEFINITELY a compatibility issue with the driver, video card, and moniter.

dai · 03-22-2006, 12:40 PM

try lowering the refresh rate

**jnob** · 03-22-2006, 12:50 PM

I agree probably a refresh rate problem. You can use the forceware driver for that card to force the refresh rate to 60hz at every resolution:

ebackhus · 03-22-2006, 12:55 PM

My parents have a Gateway Vivitron, they're nice monitors. The default drivers that come with XP give the card basic functionality and the ability to use color depth beyond 8-bit. They also feature minimum refresh rates and virtually NO acceleration!

It's strange that the drivers from nVidia would fudge it. I suggest looking through their archives and finding the 66.xx drivers as they worked great on the FX generation of cards. www.omegadrivers.net also has them.

Pikeman85 · 03-23-2006, 07:11 AM

I go to that area in control panel/display and do not see those options. My current nVidia driver is 84.25... is there some reason for this? I see something about refresh rate, but nothing about override.

dai · 03-23-2006, 08:26 AM

are you clicking on nview icon to bring it up,if it is not in the task bar you should find it in the control panel

Pikeman85 · 03-24-2006, 01:40 PM

I clicked on display, and nview, and nope, nothing that looked like that.

dai · 03-25-2006, 10:02 AM

right click on the desktop/properties /settings/advanced

Pikeman85 · 03-25-2006, 12:16 PM

That is what it shows me here for my display, etc.

This is not what was shown above.

(also, an aside, I don't usually run it in 800x600, rather, I run it in 1024 x 768)

Do you know how to make it from this picture into what was shown above so that I can override any settings? These are beta drivers from nVidia I should mention, 84.25.

dai · 03-25-2006, 01:50 PM

right click on the desktop/properties /settings/advanced

03-25-2006, 05:35 PM

That monitor max range is 1280x1024@75 Htz. What does it say in your "monitor" tab in those screenshots? It should identify your monitor as "Vivitron 2000" etc or "Standard Plug and Play", but the thing is that you might not have what you need listed there in order to allow your system to actually get proper refresh rated and resolutions. Some older monitors will be just fine with standard plug n' play drivers but some are not ok. The nice thing is that that monitor is actually are rebagged Sony and we can load a profile (driver INF files) for another Vivitron or a "just alike" sony model to make it work ok.
Now, show me what is listed here_

03-25-2006, 06:50 PM

Tp follow up on this just try to make sure your monitor, or another monitor driver that is close enough is loaded and properly ID'ed in the monitor tab (example)

- and it might give you more resolutions to play with. I will be out of town again starting tomorrow morning and again won't be on this forum for a while (1-2 weeks) but i'm sure other members know exactly what i'm talking about and can guide you there. If you are running a refresh lock @ 800x600 it's likely that your refresh rate is actually trying to load at 120 Htz - which might be out of range. Get the proper driver (or one close enough loaded) and use no refresh lock (to begin with) and you should be able to get 1024x768=100Htz, 1152x864=85Htz, 1280x1024=75Htz just fine. For your monitor 1152x864 would be ideal to run with.

Pikeman85 · 03-25-2006, 09:49 PM

"Default moniter, screen refresh rate 60 hz"

And it isn't that it only runs in 800x600. It's that certain programs won't load when they want to run in a full screen mode.

03-26-2006, 07:57 PM

have you tried 1152x864 @ 85 or 75 Htz?

Pikeman85 · 03-26-2006, 10:36 PM

It said "Out of scan range"

**jnob** · 03-27-2006, 05:34 PM

I have coolbits installed maybe that is where the extra menu option is coming from. I forgot all about that.

Pikeman85 · 03-27-2006, 06:37 PM

Yep, that's where it's from!

Thanks!

Now I want to see if it works.

Pikeman85 · 03-29-2006, 08:39 AM

It seemed to work for two days, but now it doesn't.

Pikeman85 · 03-31-2006, 01:37 AM

Does anyone have information on where I'd get a Vivitron monitor driver? I tried to download this one file that included everything before 1999 in monitors (for gateway, which apparently the vivitron is from) but it did not work. Any help would be appreciated.

dai · 03-31-2006, 03:56 AM

http://support.gateway.com/support/drivers/ddaStep.asp
saw a post where they recommend changing the monitor to default and use the pnp driver from windows

03-22-2006, 11:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	Problems with nVidia 5700 FX and my moniter I have been having problems on and off with a particular combination of driver, moniter and video card for the past few months. My video card is an nVidia 5700 FX. My moniter is a Gateway 2000 Vivitron 17" (I do not have a gateway, but bought the moniter from a friend for a cheap price as he wanted to upgrade) And my drivers vary. Now the problem is, is that when I completely update my drivers to the most advanced form released by nVidia.. the moniter goes blank when I try to load most any sort of program that is graphically intensive. This does not occur when I use the drivers included on the Microsoft XP SP2 CD (default microsoft driver) Now, at first I thought it was a driver or video card problem, but recently I tested my computer with another moniter entirely, and it worked completely fine, no problems whatsoever even with the most updated drivers. Is this a known problem with this moniter type? Any solutions anyone can think of? I know the most obvious one is to not use anything beyond the default, but there are graphics applications and games that I would like to use that not only recommend but now REQUIRE the updated drivers. Does anyone have any solution? Or any reason why this might be wrong and how to fix it? It is DEFINITELY a compatibility issue with the driver, video card, and moniter.

03-22-2006, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	try lowering the refresh rate __________________

03-22-2006, 12:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,275 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	My parents have a Gateway Vivitron, they're nice monitors. The default drivers that come with XP give the card basic functionality and the ability to use color depth beyond 8-bit. They also feature minimum refresh rates and virtually NO acceleration! It's strange that the drivers from nVidia would fudge it. I suggest looking through their archives and finding the 66.xx drivers as they worked great on the FX generation of cards. www.omegadrivers.net also has them. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

03-23-2006, 08:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	are you clicking on nview icon to bring it up,if it is not in the task bar you should find it in the control panel __________________

03-25-2006, 10:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	right click on the desktop/properties /settings/advanced __________________

03-22-2006, 12:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
jnob TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Valley Posts: 692 OS: XP Pro, SP2 My System	I agree probably a refresh rate problem. You can use the forceware driver for that card to force the refresh rate to 60hz at every resolution:

03-23-2006, 07:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	I go to that area in control panel/display and do not see those options. My current nVidia driver is 84.25... is there some reason for this? I see something about refresh rate, but nothing about override.

03-24-2006, 01:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	I clicked on display, and nview, and nope, nothing that looked like that.

03-25-2006, 12:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	That is what it shows me here for my display, etc. This is not what was shown above. (also, an aside, I don't usually run it in 800x600, rather, I run it in 1024 x 768) Do you know how to make it from this picture into what was shown above so that I can override any settings? These are beta drivers from nVidia I should mention, 84.25.

03-25-2006, 01:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	right click on the desktop/properties /settings/advanced __________________

03-25-2006, 05:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
T_Rex Guest Posts: n/a OS:	That monitor max range is 1280x1024@75 Htz. What does it say in your "monitor" tab in those screenshots? It should identify your monitor as "Vivitron 2000" etc or "Standard Plug and Play", but the thing is that you might not have what you need listed there in order to allow your system to actually get proper refresh rated and resolutions. Some older monitors will be just fine with standard plug n' play drivers but some are not ok. The nice thing is that that monitor is actually are rebagged Sony and we can load a profile (driver INF files) for another Vivitron or a "just alike" sony model to make it work ok. Now, show me what is listed here_ Last edited by T_Rex; 03-25-2006 at 05:45 PM.

03-25-2006, 06:50 PM	#12 (permalink)
T_Rex Guest Posts: n/a OS:	Tp follow up on this just try to make sure your monitor, or another monitor driver that is close enough is loaded and properly ID'ed in the monitor tab (example) - and it might give you more resolutions to play with. I will be out of town again starting tomorrow morning and again won't be on this forum for a while (1-2 weeks) but i'm sure other members know exactly what i'm talking about and can guide you there. If you are running a refresh lock @ 800x600 it's likely that your refresh rate is actually trying to load at 120 Htz - which might be out of range. Get the proper driver (or one close enough loaded) and use no refresh lock (to begin with) and you should be able to get 1024x768=100Htz, 1152x864=85Htz, 1280x1024=75Htz just fine. For your monitor 1152x864 would be ideal to run with.

03-25-2006, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	"Default moniter, screen refresh rate 60 hz" And it isn't that it only runs in 800x600. It's that certain programs won't load when they want to run in a full screen mode.

03-26-2006, 07:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
T_Rex Guest Posts: n/a OS:	have you tried 1152x864 @ 85 or 75 Htz?

03-26-2006, 10:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	It said "Out of scan range"

03-27-2006, 05:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
jnob TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Valley Posts: 692 OS: XP Pro, SP2 My System	I have coolbits installed maybe that is where the extra menu option is coming from. I forgot all about that.

03-27-2006, 06:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	Yep, that's where it's from! Thanks! Now I want to see if it works.

03-29-2006, 08:39 AM	#18 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	It seemed to work for two days, but now it doesn't.

03-31-2006, 01:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
Pikeman85 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 21 OS: XP	Does anyone have information on where I'd get a Vivitron monitor driver? I tried to download this one file that included everything before 1999 in monitors (for gateway, which apparently the vivitron is from) but it did not work. Any help would be appreciated.

03-31-2006, 03:56 AM	#20 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	http://support.gateway.com/support/drivers/ddaStep.asp saw a post where they recommend changing the monitor to default and use the pnp driver from windows __________________