Trouble Upgrading My GFX Card. HELP!

RahulJani · 05-15-2005, 09:37 AM

Ok, Firstly here are the specs of my pc

CPU : AMD Athalon XP 3000+ 512kb SoA
Mobo : Jetway V600DA/DAP 400mhz fsb AGP 8X
Old Graphics Card : AOpen Geforce FX5200 256mb
Ram : Crucial 512mb 184DIMM PC2700
HDD : Seagate Barracude 7200rpm 160GB
CPU Fan : SoA XP3200+
Case : Midi Tower 400W PSU
OS : WinXP Pro Edition

Ok so I bought a Radeon 9800 pro 128mb off ebay. Recieved it, tried it in my mums VERY old PC and it worked.
Took it back to my flat at University, uninstalled the FX5200 drivers, put the 9800 into my pc and it didnt work.
At first I got the 3 beeps error, then realised I hadn't put in the power supply cord. So I did that, and then I rebooted.
This time it just didn't do anything. My monitor stated no input signal, there were no BIOS beeps, it just didnt do anything.
I took it out, then put it back in, rebooted. This time it got up to the point in the boot up where it counts the RAM and then suddenly stopped.
Rebooted, this time it got up the the point where the scrolling "Windows XP" logo and stuck.

At this point I thought I may have blown something up with static without realising, so I put in my old FX5200 and it worked fine.
I put the pc on its side, placed the 9800 pro back in, booted up the pc and it got all the way to the windows Log In screen, so I turned the pc off, flipped it back up the right way (standing upright) turned the PC back on and *** it isnt working any more.

So this has lead me to believe that there might be something iffy going on with the card, maybe one of the pins isnt touching, so I got my flatmate to put it into his pc (he also owns a 9800 pro) and it worked first time with him, with the pc both upright and lying on it's side.

So it can't be the card because it works on my friends and my mums pc.
Im not sure it's my mobo because my 5200 works perfectly on it.

Could it have anything to do with the fact that my mums PC had a radeon rage 128 card and my mate already has a 9800 pro in his pc, so replacing it on those pcs already had radeon drivers whereas mine had geforce drivers?
Noob question, I know, sorry, but I'm trying to cover all bases here.

Any tips?!? I'm uterly baffled by it.

If i've missed out any crucial information please tell me, and I'm sorry for the long post but I thought it may be necessary to explain it all in detail in case it is something silly like a loose connection on my mobo.

PLEASE HELP!
I can't wait to play half Life 2 with my new gfx card!

ebackhus · 05-15-2005, 03:27 PM

Boot with your old card installed and uninstall the nVidia drivers. Power down and reinstall your 9800 (good pick, by the way) and see if it boots. If it does, just jump online and get the latest drivers from www.atitech.om. If not, try rebooting into safemode. Press F8 while botting to get to the bootmenu to do that.

RahulJani · 05-15-2005, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebackhus

Boot with your old card installed and uninstall the nVidia drivers. Power down and reinstall your 9800 (good pick, by the way) and see if it boots. If it does, just jump online and get the latest drivers from www.atitech.om. If not, try rebooting into safemode. Press F8 while botting to get to the bootmenu to do that.

Yeah but like I said, it keeps crashing during boot up :S I dunno what the cause of that could be.
Ill try again though.
Any more ideas, keep me informed please
Cheers

ebackhus · 05-16-2005, 09:20 AM

Does it do that with the nVidia card as well?

Has safemode worked?

**MD_Willington** · 05-16-2005, 02:12 PM

Those cards are power hungry, what's your flat mate packing for a power supply in his computer...how's your 12A rail on your power supply...

Whats the true capacity of your power supply? What I mean by that is not whats written on the side like "400W" I mean what are the amperage (A) specs for each voltage on the side of the power supply for:
3.3V = ?A
+5V =?A
+12V =?A
+5VSB =?A

MD

RahulJani · 05-16-2005, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebackhus

Does it do that with the nVidia card as well?

Has safemode worked?

Theres no problems at all with the nVidia card
I havent tried safe mode.

I'll have to get back to you on monday when I go pick up my PC
Thanks for your help, I'll come back if it's still not working

RahulJani · 05-19-2005, 02:07 PM

Hey you know if I formatted my PC hard disk, would that help?
Cuz it could all be installed from scratch.

Only thing I dunno how to alter very easily is the BIOS.

Sound like a good idea though?

RahulJani · 05-28-2005, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD_Willington

Those cards are power hungry, what's your flat mate packing for a power supply in his computer...how's your 12A rail on your power supply...

Whats the true capacity of your power supply? What I mean by that is not whats written on the side like "400W" I mean what are the amperage (A) specs for each voltage on the side of the power supply for:
3.3V = ?A
+5V =?A
+12V =?A
+5VSB =?A

MD

Ok I just checked :

AC INPUT : 230VAC. 3A. 50-60hz

DC OUTPUT MAX :

+12V = 13A
+5V = 18A
+3.3V = 20A
+5VSB = 2.5A
-12V = 0.8A
-5V = 0.5A

I tried ununstalling the drivers in safe mode, I even used a driver cleaner and cleaned the .CAB files etc etc and it STILL crashes during boot sequence.

Weird thing is, if I uninstall drivers, take out the 5200, put in the 9800, turn on PC, it crashes somewhere around the point where it says "Detecting IDE drives" so I turn off the pc (holding down power button for 5 secs) and then turn it back on, but then nothing AT ALL comes on the display and there no BIOS beep or anything...no matter how many times I restart, nothing shows up/no bios beep until i reinstall the old card, which starts working immediately.

This is testing me to my wits end. Please please please! I need help!

inertial drift · 05-28-2005, 10:58 AM

having the same model video card as you. i too have problems with my video card. and i also came from Ti 4200 128MB card to a 9800 pro. it had color line artifacts around my desktop and i see color texture all messed up when i play cs. i thought it was overheating so i spend a good $30 on a bigger aftermarket vgu fan and a exhaust fan yet the problem was gone for a good month or so. until the problem arise again. then i spend another $20 on PCI dual fan. but it only helped a bit. i was thinking that my PSU isn't big enough. so try dropping a bigger PSU and see what you get. ATi are power eating cards. it's my first ati and probably will be my last. never had such problem with Nvidia. til this day i still see these artifact color lines. really annoying and bugging the hell out of me during gaming.

ebackhus · 05-28-2005, 02:38 PM

I blame the PSU. Your 12v rail is too weak to sufficiently feed your computer. Look for one with a minimum of 20a on the 12v rail and you'll be gaming like the l33t.

RahulJani · 05-29-2005, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebackhus

I blame the PSU. Your 12v rail is too weak to sufficiently feed your computer. Look for one with a minimum of 20a on the 12v rail and you'll be gaming like the l33t.

Ok now im mad...

I bought a new PSU:

Q-Tec 55W dual Fan
+3.3V = 30A
+5V = 40A
3.3 and 5V Peak Watt = 285W

+12 = 20A, Peak Watt = 240W
-5V = 1.0A, Peak Watt = 5W
-12V = 1.0A, Peak Watt = 12W

So I put it in, plug all the connectors in, put my new card in and it.......stalls...as in the cpu and psu fan start for a moment then suddenly stop, and dont start at all regardless of how many times i press the power button...So i unplug the main plug for a few moments, put it back in and it starts up!

But then it crashes the same as always.
SO i restart....and it does the stalling thing again, doesnt respond when I press the power plug.

It goes on like this for a while, sometimes I get to the point where it asks if i want to go into safe mode, but it messes up there etc.

I'm at my wits end!
Cuz now I don't know if I have a faulty card (although it works in my mums very old pc)
A faulty mobo (according to you my mobo is incompatable)
Or a brand new faulty PSU!

WHAT THE F**K DO I DO?!?!??!?!
Have I done something wrong with shoving my PSU in, or have I bought the wrong one?

i have blow my current mobo or anything cuz atm im using my pc with the old PSU and old Gfx card...

Im so confused :S

HELP!

**Sarkast** · 05-29-2005, 08:45 AM

Of course i wish i could contribute something more constructive and conclusive at this point of time - but you wont know for sure whats going on untill you try with a quality PSU.
Q-Tec are known to be of the lowest quality out there. Just do a quick google search and you will find scores of people complaining about that product.
I'd go out and get an Antec - from a store with decent return policy so if its not the problem you can bring it back. I know its a PITA but troubleshooting usually is.

RahulJani · 05-29-2005, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarkast

Of course i wish i could contribute something more constructive and conclusive at this point of time - but you wont know for sure whats going on untill you try with a quality PSU.
Q-Tec are known to be of the lowest quality out there. Just do a quick google search and you will find scores of people complaining about that product.
I'd go out and get an Antec - from a store with decent return policy so if its not the problem you can bring it back. I know its a PITA but troubleshooting usually is.

Ah crap, the guy behind the counter told me it was quality ¬_¬

Gonna smack him when I take it back tomorrow.
Thanks dude
BTW I put my old GFX card in while using the PSU and that runs fine...still have a problem with the PSU going kapoot if i press the power button too fast.

inertial drift · 05-29-2005, 10:18 PM

this is what i tell my friends.

never buy anything cheap for your pc and car. ;)

try a thermaltake PSU. Antec PSU are great also. reviews are very important. to be honest i never heard of that brand.

RahulJani · 05-30-2005, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inertial drift

this is what i tell my friends.

never buy anything cheap for your pc and car. ;)

try a thermaltake PSU. Antec PSU are great also. reviews are very important. to be honest i never heard of that brand.

K i've just ordered a 420W Enermax PSU, I've heard they're the best, so wahoo, It better work!

05-15-2005, 09:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
RahulJani Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP	Trouble Upgrading My GFX Card. HELP! Ok, Firstly here are the specs of my pc CPU : AMD Athalon XP 3000+ 512kb SoA Mobo : Jetway V600DA/DAP 400mhz fsb AGP 8X Old Graphics Card : AOpen Geforce FX5200 256mb Ram : Crucial 512mb 184DIMM PC2700 HDD : Seagate Barracude 7200rpm 160GB CPU Fan : SoA XP3200+ Case : Midi Tower 400W PSU OS : WinXP Pro Edition Ok so I bought a Radeon 9800 pro 128mb off ebay. Recieved it, tried it in my mums VERY old PC and it worked. Took it back to my flat at University, uninstalled the FX5200 drivers, put the 9800 into my pc and it didnt work. At first I got the 3 beeps error, then realised I hadn't put in the power supply cord. So I did that, and then I rebooted. This time it just didn't do anything. My monitor stated no input signal, there were no BIOS beeps, it just didnt do anything. I took it out, then put it back in, rebooted. This time it got up to the point in the boot up where it counts the RAM and then suddenly stopped. Rebooted, this time it got up the the point where the scrolling "Windows XP" logo and stuck. At this point I thought I may have blown something up with static without realising, so I put in my old FX5200 and it worked fine. I put the pc on its side, placed the 9800 pro back in, booted up the pc and it got all the way to the windows Log In screen, so I turned the pc off, flipped it back up the right way (standing upright) turned the PC back on and *** it isnt working any more. So this has lead me to believe that there might be something iffy going on with the card, maybe one of the pins isnt touching, so I got my flatmate to put it into his pc (he also owns a 9800 pro) and it worked first time with him, with the pc both upright and lying on it's side. So it can't be the card because it works on my friends and my mums pc. Im not sure it's my mobo because my 5200 works perfectly on it. Could it have anything to do with the fact that my mums PC had a radeon rage 128 card and my mate already has a 9800 pro in his pc, so replacing it on those pcs already had radeon drivers whereas mine had geforce drivers? Noob question, I know, sorry, but I'm trying to cover all bases here. Any tips?!? I'm uterly baffled by it. If i've missed out any crucial information please tell me, and I'm sorry for the long post but I thought it may be necessary to explain it all in detail in case it is something silly like a loose connection on my mobo. PLEASE HELP! I can't wait to play half Life 2 with my new gfx card!

05-15-2005, 03:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Boot with your old card installed and uninstall the nVidia drivers. Power down and reinstall your 9800 (good pick, by the way) and see if it boots. If it does, just jump online and get the latest drivers from www.atitech.om. If not, try rebooting into safemode. Press F8 while botting to get to the bootmenu to do that. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

05-16-2005, 09:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
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05-16-2005, 02:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
MD_Willington Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: WA State & BC Posts: 587 OS: XP	Those cards are power hungry, what's your flat mate packing for a power supply in his computer...how's your 12A rail on your power supply... Whats the true capacity of your power supply? What I mean by that is not whats written on the side like "400W" I mean what are the amperage (A) specs for each voltage on the side of the power supply for: 3.3V = ?A +5V =?A +12V =?A +5VSB =?A MD __________________ Mainboard: PCC M848ALU / ECS L7S7A2 / ECS 748-A, HDD: Western Digital 40Gb, RAM: 2-256Mb DDR266 by Micron 4x AGP Card: 3DForce4-MX440, CDRW: Liteon 52x32x52, PSU: Antec True430, CPU: XP2200+ (AXDA2200DUV3C) *It's OK to be ignorant; it's not OK to play stupid.* *Never assume you are entitled to an answer. You are not.*

05-28-2005, 10:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
inertial drift Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 42 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2	having the same model video card as you. i too have problems with my video card. and i also came from Ti 4200 128MB card to a 9800 pro. it had color line artifacts around my desktop and i see color texture all messed up when i play cs. i thought it was overheating so i spend a good $30 on a bigger aftermarket vgu fan and a exhaust fan yet the problem was gone for a good month or so. until the problem arise again. then i spend another $20 on PCI dual fan. but it only helped a bit. i was thinking that my PSU isn't big enough. so try dropping a bigger PSU and see what you get. ATi are power eating cards. it's my first ati and probably will be my last. never had such problem with Nvidia. til this day i still see these artifact color lines. really annoying and bugging the hell out of me during gaming. __________________ ThermalTake Tsunami Case Thermaltake 480 Watts PSU w/Bay fan controller Asus A8N SLi-Deluxe (might change to the premium) AMD 64 3500+ 90mm 1 GB Corsair Low Lantency PC3200 Ram (Soon going 2GB) Nvidia 6800 GT (Going SLi in the future) Last edited by inertial drift; 05-28-2005 at 10:59 AM.

05-19-2005, 02:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
RahulJani Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP	Hey you know if I formatted my PC hard disk, would that help? Cuz it could all be installed from scratch. Only thing I dunno how to alter very easily is the BIOS. Sound like a good idea though?

05-28-2005, 02:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	I blame the PSU. Your 12v rail is too weak to sufficiently feed your computer. Look for one with a minimum of 20a on the 12v rail and you'll be gaming like the l33t. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses. Last edited by ebackhus; 05-28-2005 at 02:39 PM. Reason: typo

05-29-2005, 08:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	Of course i wish i could contribute something more constructive and conclusive at this point of time - but you wont know for sure whats going on untill you try with a quality PSU. Q-Tec are known to be of the lowest quality out there. Just do a quick google search and you will find scores of people complaining about that product. I'd go out and get an Antec - from a store with decent return policy so if its not the problem you can bring it back. I know its a PITA but troubleshooting usually is. __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

05-29-2005, 10:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
inertial drift Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 42 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2	this is what i tell my friends. never buy anything cheap for your pc and car. ;) try a thermaltake PSU. Antec PSU are great also. reviews are very important. to be honest i never heard of that brand. __________________ ThermalTake Tsunami Case Thermaltake 480 Watts PSU w/Bay fan controller Asus A8N SLi-Deluxe (might change to the premium) AMD 64 3500+ 90mm 1 GB Corsair Low Lantency PC3200 Ram (Soon going 2GB) Nvidia 6800 GT (Going SLi in the future)