[ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay

ca3rimusik · 07-31-2009, 07:12 AM

hello, just 2 d point, here is my old pc spec (bought 2006):
proc pentium-d 805 2,66ghz
mobo gigabyte ga-8i945pl-g
ram 2gb pc6400
hdd seagate 160gb
gigabyte ati radeon x600 128mb -> hd4650 1gb 128bit
400w psu (no brand)

now this is the problem: at first, with x600 i can play cs:source, also pes2009 1024x768 low at reasonable fps, but ever since i change my GPU to hd4650 the gameplay worser than before, everything seems slower, it even takes longer time to boot up! fyi i have uninstalled the old driver completely and replace it with the new driver supplied.
when i changing back to x600, evrything back to normal, anybody telling me what's the problem?

soon i'll change my psu with AcBel E2 470w (combined +12v rail 26A), is that enough? or is that any possibility that hd4650 bus architecture (pci-ex 2.0) cannot work well on my mobo which had pci-ex 1.0a bus?

need solution asap here, sorry for my bad english

Phædrus2401 · 07-31-2009, 10:35 AM

The 4650 can theoretically run on a 400w power supply, but for any PCIe graphics card we recommend a +12V rail with at least 26A, while the stock one you have probably has a lot less. The card is probably getting too little current to run reliably, which would explain your poor performance. As for a power supply, the AcBell would work but I would suggest a PC Power and Cooling Silencer 500w if you have the money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703015 Higher quality and reliability, in my opinion. The power supply *should* fix your problem and bring your performance back to where it was and higher, but if it doesn't come back here and tell us.

ca3rimusik · 07-31-2009, 08:03 PM

hi, thanks, today i'll just about to change my PSU, unfortunately the best i can afford is the AcBel one, as i got a very tight budget (just a schoolboy living in a 3rd world country). soon after changing the PSU i'll post here

ca3rimusik · 08-04-2009, 09:50 AM

bad news, after changing the PSU the lagging problem still exist.. don't know what to do now, need advise ppl

Phædrus2401 · 08-04-2009, 03:49 PM

Ouch. Try sending the card back to the store/manufacturer for a replacement, you might have gotten a faulty one.

Tiscot89 · 08-05-2009, 01:55 PM

I just ordered a Sapphire ATI RADEON HD4750(1gig) my XP system- 4g ram, INTEL C2D CPU 2.6ghz ish, and a 460W cheap PSU. It seems to be running very badly which I think is due to my PSU underpowering my system. I used to have an Radeon X1950xtx but that constantly had artifacts and ran games very choppy. I tried FarCry 2 and Oblivion (a do-able feat for the PC) on differnt gfx settings-highest, high, and low- each gave a terrible FPS high 7-10fps and only 20 max on lowest settings. Could I please have some advice on how to sort this out, and some reccomendations for PSU's that will run the system well enough to have these games on full. Thanks!

Phædrus2401 · 08-05-2009, 01:58 PM

Definitely your power supply. This one should run the 4750 beautifully, with power to spare: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=Corsair%20650 $99.99, $79.99 after rebate.

Tiscot89 · 08-05-2009, 02:17 PM

Ok thanks! Il get down to the 'local' outlet tomorrow n hopefully, my last post in this thread! :)

Tiscot89 · 08-05-2009, 02:51 PM

Just had a look- im in UK so our hardware sucks for price- about $160 for it.

Is there anything maybe at 500w thats a bit more of a modest budget?

Phædrus2401 · 08-05-2009, 03:02 PM

Yeah, you guys in Britain always get hosed on prices. However, keep in mind that things online are usually cheaper than buying at traditional brick and mortar stores. Ebuyer.com is usually pretty good. This unit should be adequate: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132563 £64 including VAT, that comes to about US$105, about what we'd pay in the states.

Tiscot89 · 08-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Yeah this looks good! Ordered- Thanks for the advice!

Phædrus2401 · 08-05-2009, 04:17 PM

No problem, glad to help.

Tiscot89 · 08-07-2009, 08:59 AM

Sigh.. bad news. Installed the Corsair vx550w PSU and it still runs like crap. 12 FPS on FARCRY2 max settings. Any ideas? Im stumped- and broke!

Phædrus2401 · 08-07-2009, 10:52 AM

You shouldn't be trying to run Farcry 2 on max settings with a 4750--it isn't *that* high end a card. Try dropping details to high on a 1280x800 resolution, AA x4, no AF. Your frame rate should shoot up to ~40fps, give or take ten, I'm not sure on the 4750s exact benchmark performance. But yeah, if you wanted a good framerate on maximum settings you would need at least a 4850.

The good news is, with what you have you should be able to play Farcry on reasonable settings with a good framerate, while the ATI x600 would probably barely handle it at all. And with that PSU, in the future you could upgrade to as high as a Radeon 4850 (or the Radeon 5000 equivalent, if those are out by then), though we'd prefer at least 600w for that card.

Tiscot89 · 08-07-2009, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phædrus2401

You shouldn't be trying to run Farcry 2 on max settings with a 4750--it isn't *that* high end a card. Try dropping details to high on a 1280x800 resolution, AA x4, no AF. Your frame rate should shoot up to ~40fps, give or take ten, I'm not sure on the 4750s exact benchmark performance. But yeah, if you wanted a good framerate on maximum settings you would need at least a 4850.

The good news is, with what you have you should be able to play Farcry on reasonable settings with a good framerate, while the ATI x600 would probably barely handle it at all. And with that PSU, in the future you could upgrade to as high as a Radeon 4850 (or the Radeon 5000 equivalent, if those are out by then), though we'd prefer at least 600w for that card.

Sorry just realised its a 4850 (1g). But same problems still- tried it on lowest settings all AA off and all that at 1080x800 res. Only got up to 23FPS.

Tiscot89 · 08-07-2009, 11:09 AM

I just can't figure out what it must be. Could it have anything to do with the CPU or RAM? -It's a ridiculously low FPS...

Tiscot89 · 08-13-2009, 04:02 AM

Just been down to the place I bought the PC & parts- they gave us an nVidea 8400gs card to see if it was incompatibility with the MB. I realise it's not a great card, but 3fps (no AA) on Furmark benchmark test? I've deleted all the old drivers reinstalled the new ones and the current card (Radeon HD4850) still only gives 30FPS avrge on no AA, and 17FPS avrge on 8x AA. The only components left that I haven't changed now are CPU and MB... If it IS a software issue, what else could it be?

Phædrus2401 · 08-13-2009, 07:59 AM

That's very, very weird. What are the exact models of your motherboard and CPU?

Tiscot89 · 08-14-2009, 02:37 AM

MB- Abit IL9 Pro
Chipset-Intel 945P Express ICH7
CPU- Intel Core2Duo E6600 @2.4GHZ

I've checked anyway and theres nothing wrong with the CPU- running well*

07-31-2009, 07:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
ca3rimusik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3 OS: xp sp3	[ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay hello, just 2 d point, here is my old pc spec (bought 2006): proc pentium-d 805 2,66ghz mobo gigabyte ga-8i945pl-g ram 2gb pc6400 hdd seagate 160gb gigabyte ati radeon x600 128mb -> hd4650 1gb 128bit 400w psu (no brand) now this is the problem: at first, with x600 i can play cs:source, also pes2009 1024x768 low at reasonable fps, but ever since i change my GPU to hd4650 the gameplay worser than before, everything seems slower, it even takes longer time to boot up! fyi i have uninstalled the old driver completely and replace it with the new driver supplied. when i changing back to x600, evrything back to normal, anybody telling me what's the problem? soon i'll change my psu with AcBel E2 470w (combined +12v rail 26A), is that enough? or is that any possibility that hd4650 bus architecture (pci-ex 2.0) cannot work well on my mobo which had pci-ex 1.0a bus? need solution asap here, sorry for my bad english

07-31-2009, 10:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay The 4650 can theoretically run on a 400w power supply, but for any PCIe graphics card we recommend a +12V rail with at least 26A, while the stock one you have probably has a lot less. The card is probably getting too little current to run reliably, which would explain your poor performance. As for a power supply, the AcBell would work but I would suggest a PC Power and Cooling Silencer 500w if you have the money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703015 Higher quality and reliability, in my opinion. The power supply should fix your problem and bring your performance back to where it was and higher, but if it doesn't come back here and tell us. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

07-31-2009, 08:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
ca3rimusik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3 OS: xp sp3	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay hi, thanks, today i'll just about to change my PSU, unfortunately the best i can afford is the AcBel one, as i got a very tight budget (just a schoolboy living in a 3rd world country). soon after changing the PSU i'll post here

08-04-2009, 09:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
ca3rimusik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3 OS: xp sp3	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay bad news, after changing the PSU the lagging problem still exist.. don't know what to do now, need advise ppl

08-04-2009, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Ouch. Try sending the card back to the store/manufacturer for a replacement, you might have gotten a faulty one. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-05-2009, 01:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay I just ordered a Sapphire ATI RADEON HD4750(1gig) my XP system- 4g ram, INTEL C2D CPU 2.6ghz ish, and a 460W cheap PSU. It seems to be running very badly which I think is due to my PSU underpowering my system. I used to have an Radeon X1950xtx but that constantly had artifacts and ran games very choppy. I tried FarCry 2 and Oblivion (a do-able feat for the PC) on differnt gfx settings-highest, high, and low- each gave a terrible FPS high 7-10fps and only 20 max on lowest settings. Could I please have some advice on how to sort this out, and some reccomendations for PSU's that will run the system well enough to have these games on full. Thanks!

08-05-2009, 01:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Definitely your power supply. This one should run the 4750 beautifully, with power to spare: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=Corsair%20650 $99.99, $79.99 after rebate. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-05-2009, 02:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Ok thanks! Il get down to the 'local' outlet tomorrow n hopefully, my last post in this thread! :)

08-05-2009, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Just had a look- im in UK so our hardware sucks for price- about $160 for it. Is there anything maybe at 500w thats a bit more of a modest budget?

08-05-2009, 03:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Yeah, you guys in Britain always get hosed on prices. However, keep in mind that things online are usually cheaper than buying at traditional brick and mortar stores. Ebuyer.com is usually pretty good. This unit should be adequate: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132563 £64 including VAT, that comes to about US$105, about what we'd pay in the states. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-05-2009, 04:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Yeah this looks good! Ordered- Thanks for the advice!

08-05-2009, 04:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay No problem, glad to help. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-07-2009, 08:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Sigh.. bad news. Installed the Corsair vx550w PSU and it still runs like crap. 12 FPS on FARCRY2 max settings. Any ideas? Im stumped- and broke!

08-07-2009, 10:52 AM	#14 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay You shouldn't be trying to run Farcry 2 on max settings with a 4750--it isn't that high end a card. Try dropping details to high on a 1280x800 resolution, AA x4, no AF. Your frame rate should shoot up to ~40fps, give or take ten, I'm not sure on the 4750s exact benchmark performance. But yeah, if you wanted a good framerate on maximum settings you would need at least a 4850. The good news is, with what you have you should be able to play Farcry on reasonable settings with a good framerate, while the ATI x600 would probably barely handle it at all. And with that PSU, in the future you could upgrade to as high as a Radeon 4850 (or the Radeon 5000 equivalent, if those are out by then), though we'd prefer at least 600w for that card. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-07-2009, 11:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay I just can't figure out what it must be. Could it have anything to do with the CPU or RAM? -It's a ridiculously low FPS...

08-13-2009, 04:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay Just been down to the place I bought the PC & parts- they gave us an nVidea 8400gs card to see if it was incompatibility with the MB. I realise it's not a great card, but 3fps (no AA) on Furmark benchmark test? I've deleted all the old drivers reinstalled the new ones and the current card (Radeon HD4850) still only gives 30FPS avrge on no AA, and 17FPS avrge on 8x AA. The only components left that I haven't changed now are CPU and MB... If it IS a software issue, what else could it be?

08-13-2009, 07:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,915 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay That's very, very weird. What are the exact models of your motherboard and CPU? __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

08-14-2009, 02:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tiscot89 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: [ask] GPU upgrade, worser gameplay MB- Abit IL9 Pro Chipset-Intel 945P Express ICH7 CPU- Intel Core2Duo E6600 @2.4GHZ I've checked anyway and theres nothing wrong with the CPU- running well*