DeaN_WinchesteR

Hello...I got this extremly annoying problem...i upgraded my psu,ram and my graphics card...i had ati 1550x upgraded to hd4850 and my psu from 300 w to 500w...But after upgrading it randomly frozes and closes itself...it says...ati graphics card stopped working properly A driver update, if available, might prevent this problem from recurring... and i found some solutions...which didnt helped me at all...i updated every sort of driver from ati's web site but it still freezing when playing wc3 and gta4...i downloaded sensors view like you wanted in some of yours replies to other supports...and here is my system :

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, 2099 Mhz
(RAM) Kingston 2,00 GB
Psu:500w
gfx Card:Ati Radeon Hd4850
i know you need more system information but how am i gonna check all? pls i seriously need help...its pissing me off this pc closes itself in the middle of the games........................thanks for your time

koala

Hi Dean, welcome to TSF

Remove the side panel from your computer case and post back with the details from the PSU label (make/model and amps for +12V). Not all 500W PSUs are equal in terms of quality. Cheap generic ones can be the equivalent of a 300W unit (not suitable for an HD4850).

Go into BIOS and note all the temperatures and voltages. Then reboot and run SpeedFan in the background while playing a fullscreen game. After a few minutes, alt-tab back to SpeedFan and take a screenshot of the temperatures and voltages so we can compare the idle and stressed readings.

If SpeedFan doesn't show the graphics card temperature (GPU), use RivaTuner.

DeaN_WinchesteR

Here you go...
Psu:fsf500-60gln
Ac input 100-240V-8-4a -50-60hz
there are some many dc output information about the cables etc...you want them?

koala

Do you have the BIOS and SpeedFan temperatures and voltages?

I can't find any details for a fsf500-60gln PSU. Does it have a manufacturer's name on the label?

What does it say for +12V?

Your label will look similar to the one below:

DeaN_WinchesteR

Its Actually Fortron/Source...And for the output
+3.3V--30.0A[org]
+5.0v--30.0a[red]
12V1 18.0A[white]
+5Vsb 2.5a[purp]
12V 0.8A[blue]
-12v2 18.0A[yellow]
(+3.3V & 5V=152W Max).Total output continuous shall not exceed 500w...
model no:FSF500-60GLN
This is all the info on it...and i wrote input infos at my other post and i'll post bios etc. etc.. tomorrow cuz its 23:00 over here not11:00 am :D hope you can help me...ty for your time again...

koala

The two +12V lines (18A each) combine to give an approximate total of 28A (80% of 36).

This is borderline for a high-end PCIE graphics card like the HD4850, although Forton is a good make. Also, if the PSU is over a year old, its power output will have decreased slightly.

If possible, try and borrow a good quality 650W PSU to test.

When you were installing all those drivers, did you uninstall the graphics driver and reboot into VGA mode before installing the newer one? This is to avoid driver conflicts.

DeaN_WinchesteR

well...i actually cant borrow a 650w psu and i just bought the gfx and psu 2 weeks ago and installed hd4850s own cd ...but it was the 8.600.000 v of the driver...i tought it was the problem and downloaded the latest which is 8.620.000v it worked for 5 days but then pc freezed again the weird thing is when this happens graphics cards fan starts running a little noisy...and i dont think that drivers will conflict beacause i installed all with catalyst control center...15 min ago i updated my windows to service pack 2 and some more i guess 3 more important updates...net.frame 3.5 etc etc...in some other forums they say the ram modules can be the problem? i seriously wanna get rid of this trouble.......so many threads about this problem...read them all but no clear solutions...what shall i do now?

koala

Replace the new RAM with your old RAM to see if the new sticks are faulty. You could also run memtest, but as this takes a few hours, try the old sticks first.

If this doesn't fix it, update your motherboard chipset drivers and reboot. Then uninstall your graphics driver, reboot into VGA mode, disable antivirus, install the latest graphics driver and reboot to complete.

Do you have any links to the new parts you bought?

DeaN_WinchesteR

well i do...but its turkish but i think you can understand from what it writes numbers etc...http://www.exa.com.tr/sapphire/ekran...-334-7683.html here is the gfx card...and btw whats the memtest?

DeaN_WinchesteR

i run the memtest but on 1gb cuz it doesnt let me test it on 2000mb...i got a clan war this evening on wc3 vefore that i'll change to my old ram module which is 1 gb...you thinks thats gonna work? and what about the heatsink? can that cuz a trouble like this...because most of the ppl got this problem if you google livekernelevent and someone figured it out with changing ram modules and heatsink...can you explain the heatsink? my eng is not that good.. :]

koala

Do you have a link to the new RAM you bought? There's a fair chance that this is the cause of your problem. Also, I would use a higher quality PSU.

To run memtest, you need to remove all the sticks of RAM except one. If you try to test more than one stick at a time, it can give false errors.

The heatsink is the big lump of metal that sits between the CPU and fan. It spreads the heat generated by the CPU over its large surface area to help reduce the temperature. Without a heatsink, the fan would not be able to keep the CPU cool enough by itself.

I'm not sure what you've read about the heatsink being involved in the LiveKernelEvent problem. The only thing I can think of is to reapply some good quality thermal paste to the heatsink to reduce the CPU temperature, and make sure it's firmly clipped onto the motherboard, but I can't see how that is relevant to your problem.

DeaN_WinchesteR

i dont know thats what i read...and when the technical service changed my gfx card they also changed cpus fan and it was a good fan...well...i dont have a link for the ram but its kingston 2gb the seller told me that its a performance ram...its like a laptop ram slim...and it worked properly since i got the gfx...and i dont think that its the cause to this troubles but i'll try changing it asap....and whats your advice about psu...model? watts?

koala

If it was my computer, I wouldn't use anything less than a 650W PSU from a good quality manufacturer. Looking at the technical details for smaller PSUs and your system requirements, you could probably get away with a smaller unit, but the difference in price between a 550W and 650W is so small that it's not worth risking a 550W.

The Corsair 650W (52A/+12V) is very popular at the moment, and is good value for money.

Have the computer properly tested by your tech before buying any new hardware. There are a number of possible causes for your problem.

DeaN_WinchesteR

im running on vga right now... used ati driver cleaner and deleted all...now im installing the cd again then i'll update the gfx cards driver again i pray God for this to work...if it wont i guess i'll go for a technical service....and btw when i tried to install it it said cannot find the INF file...what is that? and it causes big trouble?

DeaN_WinchesteR

well...i gave the pc to technical service....they said that they gave me a broken gfx card...xD....and they are saying that they dont have any other hd4850 in their stocks...so i'll chose another 1 how about this?Asus VGA EN9600GT/HTDI 512 MB 256Bit DDR3 HDMI 16X is it almost gr8 like the other gfx caRD? and do my powerr supply can handle this? this is 3 dollars cheaper then the hd4850

koala

If they don't have an HD4850 in stock, get them to order one. It shouldn't take more than a couple of days. I wouldn't accept a 9600GT, as it's nowhere near as good as the 4850. Google some reviews and comparison tests for the 2 cards.

DeaN_WinchesteR

yeap you're right 9600 not good enough i guess i'll get sapphire hd4830 512mb 256bit gddr3 hdmi 16x... with overclock i guess it will be as good as hd4850 am i rigHT?

koala

The HD4830 and 4850 are very similar. The 4850 has clock speeds of 625 and 993 compared to the 4830's 575 and 900, making it slightly quicker.

Both cards support DirectX 10.1, pixel/vertex shader models 4.1 and have 800 shader processors, so they are both capable of playing modern graphically-intensive games at good framerates.

You should be able to overclock it to about the same level as the stock 4850. Use RivaTuner to increase the clock speeds gradually to avoid overheating, and keep an eye on temperatures and PSU voltages while gaming until you're sure it's all ok.

Good choice on the Sapphire. Other makes are available, but Sapphires tend to use higher quality components (meaning they overclock well), and run cooler.

DeaN_WinchesteR

ty for everything^^ gr8 help quick replies...seriously...thx for your time...have a nice day... btw you're seriously good :D