which one is better for gaming?

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 12:59 AM

I like to play games on my pc here and then, I would like to play games like grand theft auto IV at fps of about 30 on medium settings..

a 9800 gt will not fit into my pc box and my power supply is not enough for one, I have a 450 watt with no available ramps.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...774&CatId=1560

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nvidia-Geforce-8...3A1%7C294%3A50

**wrench97** · 07-09-2009, 01:34 AM

What Video card do you have now?
What Brand and Model PC?
The 8600GTS is the faster card but requires a 6 pin power connector.

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 01:40 AM

i have a hp m7170n it current has a x600 pro(very old yes i know lol)

i think i may have a 6 pin power connector thats 18v i'm not sure ill open the box check the psu and repl in a few min

**emosun** · 07-09-2009, 02:47 AM

If the machine has the stock 3ghz pentium D still , you'll struggle with 30fps even on low settings with any card. GTA IV is cpu intensive and you really need a higher end core two duo or quad to get it running decent.

Before I changed my pentium D to a quad GTA IV was just barley playable on all low.

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emosun

If the machine has the stock 3ghz pentium D still , you'll struggle with 30fps even on low settings with any card. GTA IV is cpu intensive and you really need a higher end core two duo or quad to get it running decent.

Before I changed my pentium D to a quad GTA IV was just barley playable on all low.

I guess its time for a new computer then :(, to think this computer was considered a monster for its time.

i think i have to get a 4pin to 6pin convertor

he says he has a pentium d 2.8 ghz with shadow off on a 8600gt 512
YouTube - GTA 4 - pc gameplay on Pentium D - GTA 4 - pc gameplay on Pentium D

**emosun** · 07-09-2009, 03:17 AM

Well as I said even with my settings low the pentium D still lagged due to simple cpu lagg. Changing the resolution and shadows will not really free up cpu power as those are graphic related settings.

From the looks of that power supplies specs your gonna need a better one , that unit doesn't have enough amps on the 12v rail.

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 03:25 AM

what would happen would my cpu burn out if i dont get a new psu? and how much do i need for both gts and gt 26 amps?

after using this website, it says i need 326 watt power supply
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

and after reading other forums about the 8600 gt alot of people are saying you dont even need a rail for it, it gets enough power from the pci-e slot...

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=234960

i trust this forum community's words over these websites, after seeing this what do you guys think?

**emosun** · 07-09-2009, 05:12 AM

If you don't get a new power supply the power supply itself can burn out , also when a cheap power supply is overtaxed the machine will not run properly and have errors , bsod's , performance loss , ect. Some GT's don't need an extra power connector , but the gts does. However for both you would want a quality 400/450w or higher with 26 amps on the 12v rail and an 80+ certification. These are some of the lowest cost units we recommend

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...corsair%20450w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...corsair%20400w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703017

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 05:38 PM

i need something small that will fit, i don't have anymore room for a power supply its already jammed, is there anything smaller? im willing to spend 200$ on both a psu and vid card

**emosun** · 07-09-2009, 09:15 PM

You do know that you remove the old power supply and put the new one in it's place right?

jpdaballa · 07-09-2009, 10:02 PM

of course lol, the only reason i bought this power supply is because it was the biggest watts that would fit in my computer, i have literally no room with this power supply its cramped so i'm not sure if the ones on newegg will fit in.

**emosun** · 07-09-2009, 10:56 PM

They should fit , they appear to be the same size. Even if they do not you can always mod the case or mount it to the outside.

**wrench97** · 07-10-2009, 01:45 AM

It's a standard ATX size PSU and your PC take ATX size Power supplies it will fit.

jpdaballa · 07-12-2009, 07:33 PM

I just won a bid on an 8600 gts on ebay for 36$ :) card was used lightly never for gaming just came with his dell and says he doesnt need it, should be perfect then.

Which PSU do you guys recomend between the 420 watt and 400 watt?

My cpu will have
4 gb ram
1 dvd rw drive
mother board obviously
8600 gts
tv tuner

**wrench97** · 07-13-2009, 01:16 AM

A 8600GTS like this one> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130507

Use this to power it> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9004&Tpk=550VX

jpdaballa · 07-13-2009, 01:43 AM

I got the Geforce 8600 gts 512 mb, that psu is kind of expensive, after talking to my uncle who has worked with computers for 7 years recomended this

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...2527&CatId=106

he said he has a coupon code for 15$ also for tigerdirect..

Phædrus2401 · 07-13-2009, 01:49 AM

Ehhhh... Don't know about DiabloTek, and the specs provided are kind of sparse. There's no info on the efficiency rating, what type of PFC it has... The +12V rail only has 30 amps, which means that your main power rail will only deliver ~350 watts of power (12V * 30A = 360W). If you add up the +12V, +5V, and +3.3V rails you get a total of ~590W. Overall, it just looks like a *really* sketchy part.

The PSU is the ONE part of the computer you DO NOT want to skimp on quality. It pays to get a decent power supply.

**emosun** · 07-13-2009, 10:37 PM

With no disrespect to your uncle , diablo tek is junk. They don't even list the efficiency which is an very obvious sign of bad quality. A better choice would have been a lower wattage/higher quality unit like the ones I previously posted. That pc power and cooling 420w is 50$ and will walk circles around anything made by diablotek.

jpdaballa · 07-14-2009, 10:27 PM

this is the last time i'm going to bother you guys, if this psu isnt any good i'll just buy one of the suggested ones from new egg, what about this one?

http://ultraproducts.com/product_det...&productID=660

it has 78% efficiency, lifetime warranty and i foudn the same exact one brand new in the box on amazon for 39.99

jpdaballa · 07-14-2009, 11:09 PM

you guys wth is going on, isnt there suppose to be a 6 pin? in the box it came with a 4 pin to 4 pin?? im so confused now...

07-09-2009, 12:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	which one is better for gaming? I like to play games on my pc here and then, I would like to play games like grand theft auto IV at fps of about 30 on medium settings.. a 9800 gt will not fit into my pc box and my power supply is not enough for one, I have a 450 watt with no available ramps. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...774&CatId=1560 or http://cgi.ebay.com/Nvidia-Geforce-8...3A1%7C294%3A50 Last edited by jpdaballa; 07-09-2009 at 01:13 AM.

07-09-2009, 01:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,832 OS: Win7	Re: which one is better for gaming? What Video card do you have now? What Brand and Model PC? The 8600GTS is the faster card but requires a 6 pin power connector. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

07-09-2009, 01:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? i have a hp m7170n it current has a x600 pro(very old yes i know lol) i think i may have a 6 pin power connector thats 18v i'm not sure ill open the box check the psu and repl in a few min

07-09-2009, 02:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? If the machine has the stock 3ghz pentium D still , you'll struggle with 30fps even on low settings with any card. GTA IV is cpu intensive and you really need a higher end core two duo or quad to get it running decent. Before I changed my pentium D to a quad GTA IV was just barley playable on all low. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

07-09-2009, 03:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? Well as I said even with my settings low the pentium D still lagged due to simple cpu lagg. Changing the resolution and shadows will not really free up cpu power as those are graphic related settings. From the looks of that power supplies specs your gonna need a better one , that unit doesn't have enough amps on the 12v rail. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

07-09-2009, 03:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? what would happen would my cpu burn out if i dont get a new psu? and how much do i need for both gts and gt 26 amps? after using this website, it says i need 326 watt power supply http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and after reading other forums about the 8600 gt alot of people are saying you dont even need a rail for it, it gets enough power from the pci-e slot... http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=234960 i trust this forum community's words over these websites, after seeing this what do you guys think? Last edited by jpdaballa; 07-09-2009 at 03:43 AM.

07-09-2009, 05:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? If you don't get a new power supply the power supply itself can burn out , also when a cheap power supply is overtaxed the machine will not run properly and have errors , bsod's , performance loss , ect. Some GT's don't need an extra power connector , but the gts does. However for both you would want a quality 400/450w or higher with 26 amps on the 12v rail and an 80+ certification. These are some of the lowest cost units we recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...corsair%20450w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...corsair%20400w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703017 __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list Last edited by emosun; 07-09-2009 at 05:17 AM.

07-09-2009, 05:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? i need something small that will fit, i don't have anymore room for a power supply its already jammed, is there anything smaller? im willing to spend 200$ on both a psu and vid card Last edited by jpdaballa; 07-09-2009 at 05:44 PM.

07-09-2009, 09:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? You do know that you remove the old power supply and put the new one in it's place right? __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

07-09-2009, 10:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? of course lol, the only reason i bought this power supply is because it was the biggest watts that would fit in my computer, i have literally no room with this power supply its cramped so i'm not sure if the ones on newegg will fit in.

07-09-2009, 10:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? They should fit , they appear to be the same size. Even if they do not you can always mod the case or mount it to the outside. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

07-10-2009, 01:45 AM	#13 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,832 OS: Win7	Re: which one is better for gaming? It's a standard ATX size PSU and your PC take ATX size Power supplies it will fit. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

07-12-2009, 07:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? I just won a bid on an 8600 gts on ebay for 36$ :) card was used lightly never for gaming just came with his dell and says he doesnt need it, should be perfect then. Which PSU do you guys recomend between the 420 watt and 400 watt? My cpu will have 4 gb ram 1 dvd rw drive mother board obviously 8600 gts tv tuner

07-13-2009, 01:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,832 OS: Win7	Re: which one is better for gaming? A 8600GTS like this one> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130507 Use this to power it> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9004&Tpk=550VX __________________ Power Supply and Selection

07-13-2009, 01:43 AM	#16 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? I got the Geforce 8600 gts 512 mb, that psu is kind of expensive, after talking to my uncle who has worked with computers for 7 years recomended this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...2527&CatId=106 he said he has a coupon code for 15$ also for tigerdirect..

07-13-2009, 01:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,904 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? Ehhhh... Don't know about DiabloTek, and the specs provided are kind of sparse. There's no info on the efficiency rating, what type of PFC it has... The +12V rail only has 30 amps, which means that your main power rail will only deliver ~350 watts of power (12V * 30A = 360W). If you add up the +12V, +5V, and +3.3V rails you get a total of ~590W. Overall, it just looks like a really sketchy part. The PSU is the ONE part of the computer you DO NOT want to skimp on quality. It pays to get a decent power supply. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

07-13-2009, 10:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 7,087 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: which one is better for gaming? With no disrespect to your uncle , diablo tek is junk. They don't even list the efficiency which is an very obvious sign of bad quality. A better choice would have been a lower wattage/higher quality unit like the ones I previously posted. That pc power and cooling 420w is 50$ and will walk circles around anything made by diablotek. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

07-14-2009, 10:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
jpdaballa Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 32 OS: Media Center Edition	Re: which one is better for gaming? this is the last time i'm going to bother you guys, if this psu isnt any good i'll just buy one of the suggested ones from new egg, what about this one? http://ultraproducts.com/product_det...&productID=660 it has 78% efficiency, lifetime warranty and i foudn the same exact one brand new in the box on amazon for 39.99