Better Performance with Worse card, ***?

Rogabr · 05-09-2009, 07:12 AM

Ok i recently brought a new motherboard because my former one was giving me 3-4 second spikes every 20~ seconds in team fortress 2, around the same time a friend sold me a 2900XT which upgraded me from a Winfast PX7600GT so i was happy bout that.

the thing is after its been installed i have been getting worse performance on Team fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, and Counterstrike Source, in say.. CSS with my former card i was getting 110~ FPS with medium settings, with the 2900XT im getting barely over 30 with LOW settings.

in L4D i was getting perfectly acceptable FPS with my old card to the point where i wouldnt get any lag what so ever no matter what was on the screen, with this new card if anything gets into melee range it drops the fps to about 20 and stutters like all hell, DXDiag reports nothing is wrong with the device and if i run a Video card diagnostic tool like DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting i get over 120 FPS even if i try and stress it hard.

Ive installed the card onto a fresh reformat since i had to reformat for the new motherboard and i havnt exactly installed anything other than those games there other than MSN / Ventrilo, I downloaded the latest driver update from the ATI Website.

My Current Specs are.
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 @ 1.86Ghz
2Gig DDR2 Ram
2900XT

Former specs were.
"
"
Winfast PX7900GT

Heres my DXDiag for any further system spec questions
http://rapidshare.com/files/230968222/DxDiag.txt.html if you know a place that it can be uploaded too where it can be downloaded more than 10 times ill be happy to reupload it.

umm, yea i dont know whats happening but im just about ready to get my former card installed and try and throw this card up on ebay to get some of my money back because it doesnt seem to like me.

**emosun** · 05-09-2009, 01:13 PM

What power supply are you using? And what temps are you running at under load?

The 2900 needs a decent quality 600w or higher to run properly.

Rogabr · 05-09-2009, 09:44 PM

im running a antec 650W and i have the side panel removed and a fan blowing into my comp whenever i turn it on, i thought it might be the voltages so i downloaded speedfan and the voltage never moved from 12.04 when i was running TF2, oh and i have 3 hard drives connected, FYI.

**emosun** · 05-09-2009, 10:19 PM

Which specific antec 650w model are you using? We actually stopped recommending antec power supplies because they were not sufficient enough for most setups. Hard drives don't really use any significant power , you can have lots of drives in most any computer w/o power problems. What's the cards temp reaching under load? You can use rivatuner to monitor the vga temps more accurately.

Rogabr · 05-09-2009, 11:23 PM

im using a Antec 650W Earthwatts and i currently have the hardware monitoring aspect of Rivatuner open but im not sure which values to tell you,

the Core temperature never moves from 50C, The ambient Temperature never moves from 45C

**emosun** · 05-09-2009, 11:47 PM

Does it stay at 50c after a while in games? The antec earthwatts is not a very good powersupply for that card at all. In any case it needs to be a much better power supply.

Try updateing the motherboards bios to the latest.

Rogabr · 05-09-2009, 11:54 PM

ive already updated the motherboard BIOS to the latest aswell as downloaded the latest video card drivers, are you SURE its a power supply problem? because this power supply isnt even a week old, and can you recommend a power supply that would beable to handle my card?

**emosun** · 05-10-2009, 12:03 AM

It might not be the immediate problem , but will cause problems very soon if it isn't. Whats the motherboard make and model? Or if it's an oem whats the make and model?

Rogabr · 05-10-2009, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emosun

It might not be the immediate problem , but will cause problems very soon if it isn't. Whats the motherboard make and model? Or if it's an oem whats the make and model?

Asus p5kpl-CM

Rogabr · 05-11-2009, 06:59 AM

Bump, emosun can i get a confirmation so i know what to buy / how much i should upgrade said power supply, because im not exactly rolling in cash and i dont wanna have to burn even more money un-necessarily

**Tyree** · 05-11-2009, 07:37 AM

Antec PSU's are now made be Seasonic. Yours, being a week old, should be Seasonic made.
Do you have the latest drivers for the 2900XT? Did you uninstall the previous video drivers?

Rogabr · 05-11-2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyree

Antec PSU's are now made be Seasonic. Yours, being a week old, should be Seasonic made.
Do you have the latest drivers for the 2900XT? Did you uninstall the previous video drivers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by four posts up

ive already updated the motherboard BIOS to the latest aswell as downloaded the latest video card drivers

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE ORIGINAL POST

Ive installed the card onto a fresh reformat since i had to reformat for the new motherboard

reading is hard, derp

**wrench97** · 05-13-2009, 01:33 PM

What happens if you put the 7600GT back in?

Rogabr · 05-14-2009, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrench97

What happens if you put the 7600GT back in?

ok after watching that video in emosuns comment im gonna try and put my old card in.

ok since i cant find the edit button i guess ill make another post.

unfortunately i cannot install my older card as i dont have any screwdrivers that would beable to fit the screws so i cant get it out. id assume it'd go back to normal as nothing has changed other than the Powersupply and motherboard, other than the graphics card

dai · 05-14-2009, 05:24 AM

a knife
pliers

05-09-2009, 07:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rogabr Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12 OS: XP SP3	Better Performance with Worse card, ?* Ok i recently brought a new motherboard because my former one was giving me 3-4 second spikes every 20~ seconds in team fortress 2, around the same time a friend sold me a 2900XT which upgraded me from a Winfast PX7600GT so i was happy bout that. the thing is after its been installed i have been getting worse performance on Team fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, and Counterstrike Source, in say.. CSS with my former card i was getting 110~ FPS with medium settings, with the 2900XT im getting barely over 30 with LOW settings. in L4D i was getting perfectly acceptable FPS with my old card to the point where i wouldnt get any lag what so ever no matter what was on the screen, with this new card if anything gets into melee range it drops the fps to about 20 and stutters like all hell, DXDiag reports nothing is wrong with the device and if i run a Video card diagnostic tool like DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting i get over 120 FPS even if i try and stress it hard. Ive installed the card onto a fresh reformat since i had to reformat for the new motherboard and i havnt exactly installed anything other than those games there other than MSN / Ventrilo, I downloaded the latest driver update from the ATI Website. My Current Specs are. Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 @ 1.86Ghz 2Gig DDR2 Ram 2900XT Former specs were. " " Winfast PX7900GT Heres my DXDiag for any further system spec questions http://rapidshare.com/files/230968222/DxDiag.txt.html if you know a place that it can be uploaded too where it can be downloaded more than 10 times ill be happy to reupload it. umm, yea i dont know whats happening but im just about ready to get my former card installed and try and throw this card up on ebay to get some of my money back because it doesnt seem to like me.

05-09-2009, 01:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,982 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* What power supply are you using? And what temps are you running at under load? The 2900 needs a decent quality 600w or higher to run properly. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

05-09-2009, 09:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rogabr Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12 OS: XP SP3	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* im running a antec 650W and i have the side panel removed and a fan blowing into my comp whenever i turn it on, i thought it might be the voltages so i downloaded speedfan and the voltage never moved from 12.04 when i was running TF2, oh and i have 3 hard drives connected, FYI. Last edited by Rogabr; 05-09-2009 at 09:47 PM.

05-09-2009, 10:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,982 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* Which specific antec 650w model are you using? We actually stopped recommending antec power supplies because they were not sufficient enough for most setups. Hard drives don't really use any significant power , you can have lots of drives in most any computer w/o power problems. What's the cards temp reaching under load? You can use rivatuner to monitor the vga temps more accurately. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

05-09-2009, 11:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rogabr Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12 OS: XP SP3	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* im using a Antec 650W Earthwatts and i currently have the hardware monitoring aspect of Rivatuner open but im not sure which values to tell you, the Core temperature never moves from 50C, The ambient Temperature never moves from 45C

05-09-2009, 11:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,982 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* Does it stay at 50c after a while in games? The antec earthwatts is not a very good powersupply for that card at all. In any case it needs to be a much better power supply. Try updateing the motherboards bios to the latest. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

05-09-2009, 11:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Rogabr Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12 OS: XP SP3	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* ive already updated the motherboard BIOS to the latest aswell as downloaded the latest video card drivers, are you SURE its a power supply problem? because this power supply isnt even a week old, and can you recommend a power supply that would beable to handle my card?

05-10-2009, 12:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,982 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* It might not be the immediate problem , but will cause problems very soon if it isn't. Whats the motherboard make and model? Or if it's an oem whats the make and model? __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

05-11-2009, 06:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
Rogabr Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 12 OS: XP SP3	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* Bump, emosun can i get a confirmation so i know what to buy / how much i should upgrade said power supply, because im not exactly rolling in cash and i dont wanna have to burn even more money un-necessarily

05-11-2009, 07:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tyree Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: May 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 5,600 OS: XP Pro-7RC-Mandriva My System	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* Antec PSU's are now made be Seasonic. Yours, being a week old, should be Seasonic made. Do you have the latest drivers for the 2900XT? Did you uninstall the previous video drivers?

05-13-2009, 01:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,590 OS: Win7	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* What happens if you put the 7600GT back in? __________________ Power Supply and Selection

05-14-2009, 05:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,630 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Better Performance with Worse card, ?* a knife pliers __________________