Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 03:06 AM

I bought last week a Dell Inspiron 530MT. The spec sheet is given below

PROCESSOR Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor E7400 (2.80GHz, 1066FSB, 3MB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista(R) Home Basic SP1 Edition 32 bit
MEMORY 3GB (3x1GB) NECC Dual Channel DDR2 800MHz SDRAM Memory
HARD DRIVE 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive with Native Command Queuing
OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW with Dual Layer Write Capabilities
VIDEO CARD Integrated Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Audio
KEYBOARD Dell(TM) USB Consumer Multimedia Keyboard (English)
MOUSE Dell(TM) Optical USB Mouse
Speaker Dell(TM) AX210 USB speaker

Its a mid tower casing. I dont know actually what PCU or PCI expansion port it has for installation a new video card but after some research in the internet i found that it might have 400wat PCU and following expansion slots:

Expansion Slots
PCI: 2 Slots
PCIe x1: 1 Slot
PCIe x16 (Graphics): 1 Slot

I dont think it has PCI 2.0 version for video card do it?
Now can you please suggest me a video card from nVidia chipset which I can install in my this machine's motherboard without installing a new PCU?

Thanks in advance for your suggestions..

**wrench97** · 03-28-2009, 04:07 AM

The 530's usually have a 300w PSJU and have a PCIe 2.0 compatible x16 slot.
a low power card like the 8400 or 9400 may not be much of an upgrade and I would still upgrade the stock dell power supply to run it.

Where are you shopping and what budget do you have for the upgrade?

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 04:25 AM

I am living in Sydney, Australia. So now you are suggesting that 8400GT and 9400GT is not a worth of upgrade? Those will not bring any significant upgrade in video performance?

I have budget of 150AUD which i want to spent on the video card. If I split the amount to V.card and PSU then it will be too less. And moreover I didnt want to take the hassle to install a PSU. So thats why i asked for a card which will match up with my current PSU so that I can just pop up the card in motherboard.

Moreover i am new to Australia. So dont know much about the hardware shops here. Any good suggestion to choose that you know?

**vladimirb** · 03-28-2009, 04:34 AM

Well, 9400GT is better than Integrated Intel X3100, but not enough for newer high-demanding video games...
I myself have 9400GT in Desktop PC and X3100 on laptop and I can tell you, 9400GT is much much better than X3100, but I cannot play newer games on high details...
My suggestion is to be patient and save money for both good and powerful graphic card and good and powerful PSU...

It is just my opinion, that is all =)

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 04:43 AM

Hmm so you are telling me that 9400GT will go with Dell 530 without changing additional PSU right? Actually i dont wanna play newer games with full details. Rather if i can play newer games in low details that might work.
Its nice that out are giving your opinion. But i have to wait so long to save that much money as i have to spent in other needs before PC upgrading.

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 04:46 AM

By the way, what about 1Gb 9500GT? does it require additional power supply?

**vladimirb** · 03-28-2009, 04:55 AM

I just saw that your PC is using 300W PSU...
That will be to weak for either 9400GT and 9500GT I am afraid...
If you can go and put some more money and buy Corsair 550W, that would be awesome and that would solve all your problems...
I do not know how much this PSU cost in AUS, so you better check on Internet so you can know how much money you need for 9400GT + Corsiar 550...

**wrench97** · 03-28-2009, 04:57 AM

1Gig cards are more of a marketing thing a 512 Meg DDR3 card would be much faster then a 1Gig DDR2 card, even though they do not need additional power connectors they still draw more power through the motherboard then the 300w is capable of safely delivering.

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 04:59 AM

@vladimirb so you are telling that I have no choice other than X3100 in my current 300wat PSU right?

**vladimirb** · 03-28-2009, 05:00 AM

You have an option to buy some less power consuming graphic cards, but that would be waste of money IMO...

shuvo · 03-28-2009, 05:49 AM

even the 8400GT will need additional power supply? that is weak a card as per know. how much PSU it will need?
and how about 6500GT? how much this gonna need power?
I am novice to change a PSU and attach all those cables in CPU.

**wrench97** · 03-28-2009, 10:16 AM

There really isn't much to connect, 1 24 pin main connector, a 4 pin CPU connector, and 1 4 pin power connector to each drive.

Even for a 8400 I would recommend over 400w, Dell supplies are a tad misleading they're set with a higher 12v rating and lower 3.3v & 5v then a standard ATX spec psu so when you look at comparable retail PSU to get the same 12v rating it's a higher total wattage unit, They really only build them for what comes with the unit.

Bottom line is people have put 8400GT in them but it will shorten the life of the psu and possibly the PC which is why we don't recommend it.

dai · 03-28-2009, 10:34 AM

if you wish to install a card you will need a min of this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...air%2b550w
wait until you have the money to do it properly

shuvo · 03-29-2009, 04:43 PM

@dai, actually i am not that short of money. i have 200AUD to spend on PSU and a video card. but the problem is less knowledge about PSU and how to install it is a problem. and another problem is that i am also unsure how much upgradable is Dell 530MT inspiron is.
Which card dell is capable to take? which PSU is sutable for it?

Phædrus2401 · 03-29-2009, 05:05 PM

You could probably run a 9600GT on a stock PSU, barely. However it would be best to save up and get, say, a 500Watt Antec PSU and a 9800GT or a Radeon 4870. I had a 9500GT, a step above the 9400, and although it's a decent card, you won't get more than low or medium quality on most games.

**emosun** · 03-29-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phædrus2401

You could probably run a 9600GT on a stock PSU, barely. However it would be best to save up and get, say, a 500Watt Antec PSU and a 9800GT or a Radeon 4870. I had a 9500GT, a step above the 9400, and although it's a decent card, you won't get more than low or medium quality on most games.

We actually don't really recommend any antec unit's anymore and 500 watts wouldn't be enough for a 9800 or 4870.

shuvo · 03-29-2009, 08:32 PM

Coolermaster Extreme Power+ 650 watts i have choose to buy which is about 112AUD at the moment. So how recommand this PSU? Is it a good brand? And how would it pair up with a 9800GT? is it enough for it?
by the way what is the difference in 9800GT and 9800GTX?

**vladimirb** · 03-30-2009, 12:12 AM

We recommend only Coolermaster 'Real Power Pro'
If you can find 'Real Power Pro' PSU, that would be good for 9800GT

More info about PSUs which we recommend you can find here:

Power Supply Information and Selection

9800GT has 112 StreamProcessors and 9800GTX has 128 StreamProcessors,the difference is not much.
I think it is about a 10% performance increase from the 16 more shaders and slightly higher clocks.
The 9800GT is a renamed 8800GT. The 9800GTX is faster.(comparable to the ATI 4830)

shuvo · 03-30-2009, 03:33 AM

Yes i got searched and find Coolermaster RealPower Pro 650w in about 164AUD. i think that is not a bad price. but i didnt got my answer of my last post. How much upgradable is my Dell 530MT is ? Which best video card i can install in it's motherboard in nividia chipset range?

dai · 03-30-2009, 04:17 AM

you can put the latest card providing you have the money to buy it and the psu to run it

03-28-2009, 03:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 I bought last week a Dell Inspiron 530MT. The spec sheet is given below PROCESSOR Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor E7400 (2.80GHz, 1066FSB, 3MB) OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista(R) Home Basic SP1 Edition 32 bit MEMORY 3GB (3x1GB) NECC Dual Channel DDR2 800MHz SDRAM Memory HARD DRIVE 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive with Native Command Queuing OPTICAL DRIVE 16X DVD+/-RW with Dual Layer Write Capabilities VIDEO CARD Integrated Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator 3100 SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Audio KEYBOARD Dell(TM) USB Consumer Multimedia Keyboard (English) MOUSE Dell(TM) Optical USB Mouse Speaker Dell(TM) AX210 USB speaker Its a mid tower casing. I dont know actually what PCU or PCI expansion port it has for installation a new video card but after some research in the internet i found that it might have 400wat PCU and following expansion slots: Expansion Slots PCI: 2 Slots PCIe x1: 1 Slot PCIe x16 (Graphics): 1 Slot I dont think it has PCI 2.0 version for video card do it? Now can you please suggest me a video card from nVidia chipset which I can install in my this machine's motherboard without installing a new PCU? Thanks in advance for your suggestions..

03-28-2009, 04:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,550 OS: Win7	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 The 530's usually have a 300w PSJU and have a PCIe 2.0 compatible x16 slot. a low power card like the 8400 or 9400 may not be much of an upgrade and I would still upgrade the stock dell power supply to run it. Where are you shopping and what budget do you have for the upgrade? __________________ Power Supply and Selection

03-28-2009, 04:25 AM	#3 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 I am living in Sydney, Australia. So now you are suggesting that 8400GT and 9400GT is not a worth of upgrade? Those will not bring any significant upgrade in video performance? I have budget of 150AUD which i want to spent on the video card. If I split the amount to V.card and PSU then it will be too less. And moreover I didnt want to take the hassle to install a PSU. So thats why i asked for a card which will match up with my current PSU so that I can just pop up the card in motherboard. Moreover i am new to Australia. So dont know much about the hardware shops here. Any good suggestion to choose that you know?

03-28-2009, 04:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
vladimirb Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Banja Luka, Serb Republic Posts: 3,681 OS: xp pro sp3, Server 2003, Windows 7 Professional x64bit My System	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 Well, 9400GT is better than Integrated Intel X3100, but not enough for newer high-demanding video games... I myself have 9400GT in Desktop PC and X3100 on laptop and I can tell you, 9400GT is much much better than X3100, but I cannot play newer games on high details... My suggestion is to be patient and save money for both good and powerful graphic card and good and powerful PSU... It is just my opinion, that is all =) __________________ MCP - MCSA Cisco SMB Account Manager

03-28-2009, 04:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 Hmm so you are telling me that 9400GT will go with Dell 530 without changing additional PSU right? Actually i dont wanna play newer games with full details. Rather if i can play newer games in low details that might work. Its nice that out are giving your opinion. But i have to wait so long to save that much money as i have to spent in other needs before PC upgrading.

03-28-2009, 04:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 By the way, what about 1Gb 9500GT? does it require additional power supply?

03-28-2009, 04:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
vladimirb Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Banja Luka, Serb Republic Posts: 3,681 OS: xp pro sp3, Server 2003, Windows 7 Professional x64bit My System	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 I just saw that your PC is using 300W PSU... That will be to weak for either 9400GT and 9500GT I am afraid... If you can go and put some more money and buy Corsair 550W, that would be awesome and that would solve all your problems... I do not know how much this PSU cost in AUS, so you better check on Internet so you can know how much money you need for 9400GT + Corsiar 550... __________________ MCP - MCSA Cisco SMB Account Manager

03-28-2009, 04:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,550 OS: Win7	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 1Gig cards are more of a marketing thing a 512 Meg DDR3 card would be much faster then a 1Gig DDR2 card, even though they do not need additional power connectors they still draw more power through the motherboard then the 300w is capable of safely delivering. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

03-28-2009, 04:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 @vladimirb so you are telling that I have no choice other than X3100 in my current 300wat PSU right?

03-28-2009, 05:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
vladimirb Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Banja Luka, Serb Republic Posts: 3,681 OS: xp pro sp3, Server 2003, Windows 7 Professional x64bit My System	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 You have an option to buy some less power consuming graphic cards, but that would be waste of money IMO... __________________ MCP - MCSA Cisco SMB Account Manager

03-28-2009, 05:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 even the 8400GT will need additional power supply? that is weak a card as per know. how much PSU it will need? and how about 6500GT? how much this gonna need power? I am novice to change a PSU and attach all those cables in CPU.

03-28-2009, 10:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,550 OS: Win7	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 There really isn't much to connect, 1 24 pin main connector, a 4 pin CPU connector, and 1 4 pin power connector to each drive. Even for a 8400 I would recommend over 400w, Dell supplies are a tad misleading they're set with a higher 12v rating and lower 3.3v & 5v then a standard ATX spec psu so when you look at comparable retail PSU to get the same 12v rating it's a higher total wattage unit, They really only build them for what comes with the unit. Bottom line is people have put 8400GT in them but it will shorten the life of the psu and possibly the PC which is why we don't recommend it. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

03-28-2009, 10:34 AM	#13 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,609 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 if you wish to install a card you will need a min of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...air%2b550w wait until you have the money to do it properly __________________

03-29-2009, 04:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 @dai, actually i am not that short of money. i have 200AUD to spend on PSU and a video card. but the problem is less knowledge about PSU and how to install it is a problem. and another problem is that i am also unsure how much upgradable is Dell 530MT inspiron is. Which card dell is capable to take? which PSU is sutable for it?

03-29-2009, 05:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,796 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 You could probably run a 9600GT on a stock PSU, barely. However it would be best to save up and get, say, a 500Watt Antec PSU and a 9800GT or a Radeon 4870. I had a 9500GT, a step above the 9400, and although it's a decent card, you won't get more than low or medium quality on most games.

03-29-2009, 08:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 Coolermaster Extreme Power+ 650 watts i have choose to buy which is about 112AUD at the moment. So how recommand this PSU? Is it a good brand? And how would it pair up with a 9800GT? is it enough for it? by the way what is the difference in 9800GT and 9800GTX?

03-30-2009, 12:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
vladimirb Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Banja Luka, Serb Republic Posts: 3,681 OS: xp pro sp3, Server 2003, Windows 7 Professional x64bit My System	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 We recommend only Coolermaster 'Real Power Pro' If you can find 'Real Power Pro' PSU, that would be good for 9800GT More info about PSUs which we recommend you can find here: Power Supply Information and Selection 9800GT has 112 StreamProcessors and 9800GTX has 128 StreamProcessors,the difference is not much. I think it is about a 10% performance increase from the 16 more shaders and slightly higher clocks. The 9800GT is a renamed 8800GT. The 9800GTX is faster.(comparable to the ATI 4830) __________________ MCP - MCSA Cisco SMB Account Manager

03-30-2009, 03:33 AM	#19 (permalink)
shuvo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 10 OS: Windows Vista 32bit	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 Yes i got searched and find Coolermaster RealPower Pro 650w in about 164AUD. i think that is not a bad price. but i didnt got my answer of my last post. How much upgradable is my Dell 530MT is ? Which best video card i can install in it's motherboard in nividia chipset range?

03-30-2009, 04:17 AM	#20 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,609 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Suggestion for a video card without installing a new PSU in Dell inspiton 530 you can put the latest card providing you have the money to buy it and the psu to run it __________________