Future of the AGP bus

Grand Guignol · 10-13-2007, 07:59 AM

Well, I love gaming, but unfortunately I'm not able for the foreseeable future to lay down for a new system with pci express. I'm figuring it will probably be around 1000 $ for a good rig.

So with my 7800gs and 3.4 ghz p4 I'm braving the winds and waves of bioshock, cod4, ut3...etc. Any idea guys if there is perhaps a new lineup soon for better agp cards coming out? Like agp versions of the ati 2900 (2600 it's out but not too good) or 8800, 8600 nvidia for poor folk like myself?

I was actually thinking of selling my evga 7800gs and "upgrading" (lmao) to a gecube x1950xt...but thought this is probably a waste of time, since the two cards are very similar.

I know this thread will see a lot of "AGP is dead" or "agp sucks", "just upgrade it's easier" etc. etc.. Of all of you I know this the best lol. Just hope people might shine some light on agp's future, new cards, stuff like that. I'd like to keep an eye on this thread, maybe novelties will arise. Thanks.

HawMan · 10-13-2007, 08:47 AM

AGP is dead and wont be brought out on any new cards. Look at PCI, They died when AGP came out now very few good PCI cards are avaiable, Its the Same with PCI-express and AGP.

Grand Guignol · 10-13-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HawMan

AGP is dead and wont be brought out on any new cards. Look at PCI, They died when AGP came out now very few good PCI cards are avaiable, Its the Same with PCI-express and AGP.

good point.

but, pci has in the 2 years or so released some pretty intense cards.

X1550 ati
X1300 ati
9250 ati
6200 nvidia
BFG PhysX

I remember thinking a while back that pci was gonna end with 5200 nvidia and 9200 ati. And bam the cards just kept coming out!

I also realize that pci is more popular then agp was...so maybe it's that. With pci it's obvious that those guys had to upgrade because their processors couldn't hack the new games. But agp users that have high end processors can still hold out lol
You would be astounded how quickly the x1950xt from gecube (agp version) sells out at any online computer store. At Newegg it takes only hours and they're gone. The demand is still huge man and they can't deny a huge group of people still using agp. So I think that at least a few more generations of cards will show up. Although they will keep extending the time between generations

just my .02

sirusx69 · 10-13-2007, 10:34 AM

I forgot where i read it exactly but the 7800 gs was supposed to be the last card for agp that nvidia planned to make.

~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ · 10-13-2007, 10:36 AM

AGP can't make any more faster cards because the slot/motehrboard won't recognize it.

ebackhus · 10-13-2007, 10:41 AM

What about other applications? Why not use it for others devices and rename it the APP, or Accelerated Peripherals Port. You could toss in things like gigabit NICs, secondary (but slower) CPUs, ultra high-end audio cards, video input cards, and various accelerators of all sorts. ISA and PCI were very flexible and I think the same can be done with AGP.

Grand Guignol · 10-13-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IAmNutsAboutPCs

AGP can't make any more faster cards because the slot/motehrboard won't recognize it.

I'm confused about this post?? Is this true?

~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ · 10-13-2007, 10:45 AM

Pretty much... why do you think they brought out PCI-Express x16?

Otherwise we would still all be on ISA, PCI or AGP even.

ebackhus · 10-13-2007, 10:49 AM

The biggest limitation of AGP was not the bandwidth of the bus itelf, but CPU & GPU limitations. The GPU couldn't sit out data fast enough for the GPU and the GPU couldn't always keep up with the the data sent by the CPU. The bus itself was virtually never saturated. PCI-Express was developed primarily to overcome the bandwidth limitation of the PCI local bus and to defeat the problem of shared bandwidth across that bus.

~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ · 10-13-2007, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebackhus

The biggest limitation of AGP was not the bandwidth of the bus itelf, but CPU & GPU limitations. The GPU couldn't sit out data fast enough for the GPU and the GPU couldn't always keep up with the the data sent by the CPU. The bus itself was virtually never saturated. PCI-Express was developed primarily to overcome the bandwidth limitation of the PCI local bus and to defeat the problem of shared bandwidth across that bus.

Well said, yes that is another main reason.

AGP will never be bought back from the dead, unless people want a bottleneck the size of Tokyo.

Grand Guignol · 10-13-2007, 07:14 PM

so anyway...now that we've established that agp...sucks...uhh anybody know what possible new cards might be coming out in '08 (for agp)?

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 10-13-2007, 08:44 PM

seeing as they came out with pci express 2.0 i really think that it is dead and buried

~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ · 10-14-2007, 04:38 AM

Yup, trust me... there will be no more good AGP cards because the bottleneck will be huge.

Grand Guignol · 10-14-2007, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAmNutsAboutPCs

Yup, trust me... there will be no more good AGP cards because the bottleneck will be huge.

ok gotcha thanks. agp is dead, got that one too. Thanks for both of your input.

let me rephrase the question then. Does anyone have any info (rumors, industry info, beliefs...) on new cards coming out in '08 for AGP ? I do know that gecube has promised to keep releasing agp cards indefinitely, which is a good thing, since they released the x1950xt a while back.

10-13-2007, 07:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
Grand Guignol Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 13 OS: Windows XP SP2	Future of the AGP bus Well, I love gaming, but unfortunately I'm not able for the foreseeable future to lay down for a new system with pci express. I'm figuring it will probably be around 1000 $ for a good rig. So with my 7800gs and 3.4 ghz p4 I'm braving the winds and waves of bioshock, cod4, ut3...etc. Any idea guys if there is perhaps a new lineup soon for better agp cards coming out? Like agp versions of the ati 2900 (2600 it's out but not too good) or 8800, 8600 nvidia for poor folk like myself? I was actually thinking of selling my evga 7800gs and "upgrading" (lmao) to a gecube x1950xt...but thought this is probably a waste of time, since the two cards are very similar. I know this thread will see a lot of "AGP is dead" or "agp sucks", "just upgrade it's easier" etc. etc.. Of all of you I know this the best lol. Just hope people might shine some light on agp's future, new cards, stuff like that. I'd like to keep an eye on this thread, maybe novelties will arise. Thanks.

10-13-2007, 08:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
HawMan Liam Join Date: May 2006 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 2,943 OS: Win XP My System	Re: Future of the AGP bus AGP is dead and wont be brought out on any new cards. Look at PCI, They died when AGP came out now very few good PCI cards are avaiable, Its the Same with PCI-express and AGP. __________________ Please Consider Donating to keep the site free.

10-13-2007, 10:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
sirusx69 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 50 OS: XP	Re: Future of the AGP bus I forgot where i read it exactly but the 7800 gs was supposed to be the last card for agp that nvidia planned to make.

10-13-2007, 10:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Front of PC, UK Posts: 744 OS: Windows XP SP2 Build 2600 My System	Re: Future of the AGP bus AGP can't make any more faster cards because the slot/motehrboard won't recognize it.

10-13-2007, 10:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Re: Future of the AGP bus What about other applications? Why not use it for others devices and rename it the APP, or Accelerated Peripherals Port. You could toss in things like gigabit NICs, secondary (but slower) CPUs, ultra high-end audio cards, video input cards, and various accelerators of all sorts. ISA and PCI were very flexible and I think the same can be done with AGP. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

10-13-2007, 10:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Front of PC, UK Posts: 744 OS: Windows XP SP2 Build 2600 My System	Re: Future of the AGP bus Pretty much... why do you think they brought out PCI-Express x16? Otherwise we would still all be on ISA, PCI or AGP even.

10-13-2007, 10:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Re: Future of the AGP bus The biggest limitation of AGP was not the bandwidth of the bus itelf, but CPU & GPU limitations. The GPU couldn't sit out data fast enough for the GPU and the GPU couldn't always keep up with the the data sent by the CPU. The bus itself was virtually never saturated. PCI-Express was developed primarily to overcome the bandwidth limitation of the PCI local bus and to defeat the problem of shared bandwidth across that bus. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

10-13-2007, 07:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Grand Guignol Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 13 OS: Windows XP SP2	Re: Future of the AGP bus so anyway...now that we've established that agp...sucks...uhh anybody know what possible new cards might be coming out in '08 (for agp)?

10-13-2007, 08:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: Future of the AGP bus seeing as they came out with pci express 2.0 i really think that it is dead and buried __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

10-14-2007, 04:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
~~IAmNutsAboutPCs~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In Front of PC, UK Posts: 744 OS: Windows XP SP2 Build 2600 My System	Re: Future of the AGP bus Yup, trust me... there will be no more good AGP cards because the bottleneck will be huge.