Older System Requires Newer Video Card

**mcharley94** · 08-07-2007, 11:14 AM

Hey Everyone,

Now that I have my Vista system running well I am reworking my old system based on an 845PE MAX2 MS-6704 motherboard so that I can either play on it some XP based games that have issues with Vista and/or play across the network (I also have Ubuntu running on the this board under dual boot).

At the moment I have an AGP 128MB nVidia GForce4 Ti 4200 video card on the Max2 but am finding many of the newer games I wish to play require a faster card.

So as not to run into any compatibility or bottleneck issues I thought I would first ask for some suggestions on what card would work well for me. I was hoping in keeping the cost around or below $100 seeing as it is an older system but will consider all suggestions.

I am looking to play games such as the Battlefield and FEAR Series, just to give you an idea.

Here are some technical stats to help assist....

I am running XP Home Edition SP2
PSU - Antec SL-400w
Intel Northwood P4 2400 MHz processor
1 GHz PC-2700 RAM
2 IDE hard drives
1 DVD ROM
1 DVD/RW
1 Multi Card Reader

I don't really mess with over clocking, or at least have yet to.

Any and all input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Homer99 · 08-07-2007, 12:07 PM

If I had the money and didn't want to change the system configuration, I would probably get the 7800GS. If I didn't want to spend that much money, I would get the 7600GS. I do mind you though, you be able to run Battlefield and FEAR at max settings. You will be able to play it though. So with your price range and AGP configuration, I suggest the 7600 series from Nvidia :)

**mcharley94** · 08-07-2007, 11:50 PM

EVGA GeForce 7600GS 256MB

or

MSI GeForce 7600GS 256MB

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 08-07-2007, 11:51 PM

evga is better

**mcharley94** · 08-07-2007, 11:53 PM

I was leaning the same way. Only reservation I have is one reviewer on NewEgg stated that the card does not support Ubuntu. Whether there is any truth to that i don't know.

Homer99 · 08-07-2007, 11:55 PM

i agree, evga is better

ubuntu, hmmm, well just check nvidia's website for drivers

**mcharley94** · 08-07-2007, 11:59 PM

I think I'll go with the EVGA. If I can't get Ubuntu to work with it I'll just have to throw it on a different system. The gaming is more of a priority

Thanks for your input

Homer99 · 08-08-2007, 12:05 AM

no problemo, have fun with ur system!

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 04:54 PM

I just got the e-GeForce 7600GS AGP card and slapped it in the Max2 system. Worked great under XP and my hopes were high...

Now don't laugh (ok, laugh if you want to, I am

.), but what I had planned all along was to set the system up as a dual boot Win98/XP gamer. Well after repartitioning the HD and installing 98SE I discovered there are no drivers for Win98

, guess I should have researched it better. eh?

Is there a way around this. 16 color 600x800 ain't gonna cut it

Homer99 · 08-13-2007, 05:08 PM

ummm may i ask why you are running windows 98? that is one of the most unstable operating systems ive ever worked with >< lol

Look here, its a long shot, but may as well try http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=200005

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 05:13 PM

To run older games that are unstable under XP for the most part. Some of mine but most for the kid like the kickstart series

Homer99 · 08-13-2007, 05:14 PM

lol you know what might be better is to get a 30 dollar pentium 2 off of craigslist >< lol

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 05:16 PM

LOL....yeah true, but the last thing I need is another computer in this house. I wanna make this work if I can....its a matter of principle at this point

Homer99 · 08-13-2007, 05:23 PM

haha okay
then ya look at that article :P sorry i cant help in this situation much lool

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 05:26 PM

Salright, I appreciate your input none the less. I knew it was a long shot, but with any luck hopefully someone with the answer or who is up for the challenge will come along in time. Meanwhile I have something to keep me busy now

, Thanks

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 05:28 PM

BTW, this website looks like dung in 16 color at 600x800

**Deleted090308** · 08-13-2007, 05:51 PM

Hi,

Try this modified driver at your own risk. It should work, but you may not be able to shut down Windows 98 "normally".

**mcharley94** · 08-13-2007, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eneles

Hi,

Try this modified driver at your own risk. It should work, but you may not be able to shut down Windows 98 "normally".

No such luck...what I get is "no nvidia chip was found" and it refuses to install. So I followed the fix that is directed in the setup, i.e. create a temp file and extract the install there using RUN and so forth and although it seems to go as planned it still leaves me with 16 color @ 600x800

Also just like you and the creator state, it does not shut down...thats no big deal, but the res, color is.

Oh well, maybe I will be looking on craigslist after all...LOL

Homer99 · 08-16-2007, 12:43 AM

lol good job :P

The only thing left I can think of is try to run an emulation in Windows XP, but then again you will probably run into the same issue. Ya so go for a good old Pentium 2 system :D

Haha I have an old pentium 2 with a Matrox Card sitting in my closet :P id give it to you if u lived here lol

**Deleted090308** · 08-16-2007, 01:03 AM

Uninstall the nVidia driver you've got now.
Download the 81.98 driver version and extract it inside a folder.
Replace the NVAGP.inf file with the one I've attached. NVAGP.zip
Reboot into VGA mode and install the driver manually - Control Panel > Add hardware > let Windows find the card > then browse to the folder you created > follow the wizard.

08-07-2007, 11:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Older System Requires Newer Video Card Hey Everyone, Now that I have my Vista system running well I am reworking my old system based on an 845PE MAX2 MS-6704 motherboard so that I can either play on it some XP based games that have issues with Vista and/or play across the network (I also have Ubuntu running on the this board under dual boot). At the moment I have an AGP 128MB nVidia GForce4 Ti 4200 video card on the Max2 but am finding many of the newer games I wish to play require a faster card. So as not to run into any compatibility or bottleneck issues I thought I would first ask for some suggestions on what card would work well for me. I was hoping in keeping the cost around or below $100 seeing as it is an older system but will consider all suggestions. I am looking to play games such as the Battlefield and FEAR Series, just to give you an idea. Here are some technical stats to help assist.... I am running XP Home Edition SP2 PSU - Antec SL-400w Intel Northwood P4 2400 MHz processor 1 GHz PC-2700 RAM 2 IDE hard drives 1 DVD ROM 1 DVD/RW 1 Multi Card Reader I don't really mess with over clocking, or at least have yet to. Any and all input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

08-07-2007, 12:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card If I had the money and didn't want to change the system configuration, I would probably get the 7800GS. If I didn't want to spend that much money, I would get the 7600GS. I do mind you though, you be able to run Battlefield and FEAR at max settings. You will be able to play it though. So with your price range and AGP configuration, I suggest the 7600 series from Nvidia :) __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-07-2007, 11:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card EVGA GeForce 7600GS 256MB or MSI GeForce 7600GS 256MB

08-07-2007, 11:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card evga is better __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

08-07-2007, 11:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card I was leaning the same way. Only reservation I have is one reviewer on NewEgg stated that the card does not support Ubuntu. Whether there is any truth to that i don't know.

08-07-2007, 11:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card i agree, evga is better ubuntu, hmmm, well just check nvidia's website for drivers __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-07-2007, 11:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card I think I'll go with the EVGA. If I can't get Ubuntu to work with it I'll just have to throw it on a different system. The gaming is more of a priority Thanks for your input

08-08-2007, 12:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card no problemo, have fun with ur system! __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-13-2007, 04:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card I just got the e-GeForce 7600GS AGP card and slapped it in the Max2 system. Worked great under XP and my hopes were high... Now don't laugh (ok, laugh if you want to, I am .), but what I had planned all along was to set the system up as a dual boot Win98/XP gamer. Well after repartitioning the HD and installing 98SE I discovered there are no drivers for Win98 , guess I should have researched it better. eh? Is there a way around this. 16 color 600x800 ain't gonna cut it

08-13-2007, 05:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card ummm may i ask why you are running windows 98? that is one of the most unstable operating systems ive ever worked with >< lol Look here, its a long shot, but may as well try http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=200005 __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-13-2007, 05:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card To run older games that are unstable under XP for the most part. Some of mine but most for the kid like the kickstart series

08-13-2007, 05:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card lol you know what might be better is to get a 30 dollar pentium 2 off of craigslist >< lol __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-13-2007, 05:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card LOL....yeah true, but the last thing I need is another computer in this house. I wanna make this work if I can....its a matter of principle at this point

08-13-2007, 05:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card haha okay then ya look at that article :P sorry i cant help in this situation much lool __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-13-2007, 05:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card Salright, I appreciate your input none the less. I knew it was a long shot, but with any luck hopefully someone with the answer or who is up for the challenge will come along in time. Meanwhile I have something to keep me busy now , Thanks

08-13-2007, 05:28 PM	#16 (permalink)
mcharley94 I helped the forums. Join Date: May 2007 Location: Central Michigan Posts: 238 OS: XP Home SP3 / Vista Home Premium SP1/Ubuntu My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card BTW, this website looks like dung in 16 color at 600x800

08-13-2007, 05:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card Hi, Try this modified driver at your own risk. It should work, but you may not be able to shut down Windows 98 "normally".

08-16-2007, 12:43 AM	#19 (permalink)
Homer99 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 308 OS: Windows 7, Vista, XP SP3, Server 2003, Ubuntu 8, OSX My System	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card lol good job :P The only thing left I can think of is try to run an emulation in Windows XP, but then again you will probably run into the same issue. Ya so go for a good old Pentium 2 system :D Haha I have an old pentium 2 with a Matrox Card sitting in my closet :P id give it to you if u lived here lol __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

08-16-2007, 01:03 AM	#20 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: Older System Requires Newer Video Card Uninstall the nVidia driver you've got now. Download the 81.98 driver version and extract it inside a folder. Replace the NVAGP.inf file with the one I've attached. NVAGP.zip Reboot into VGA mode and install the driver manually - Control Panel > Add hardware > let Windows find the card > then browse to the folder you created > follow the wizard.