which of these are better?

arj154 · 10-25-2006, 05:57 AM

ive found 2 graphics cards that i think are really good however i jus cant decide because i need to find the cheapest one and it has to be good quality and ive found these:

graphics card 1

graphics card 2

o ye and heres my comp specs:

300gb hard drive
768mb RAM (512mb+256mb)
AMD Athlon XP 2400+
geForce 4 mx460 (64mb)
i dont know the power supply
and the model of this computer is: sony vaio pcv-rx405

Indoril Nerevar · 10-25-2006, 06:42 AM

Unfortunately, neither of those cards is going to work in your system. They are both PCI-Express, and your motherboard will only support AGP cards. If you want to use a PCI-Express card, you'll need to upgrade the motherboard, CPU, power supply, and possibly RAM.

However, you could just get an AGP card - in which case you'd only need to upgrade the power supply. (The specs of your current power supply can be found on the side of the power supply itself - open the case, and look at the side of the box which the power cord plugs into.)

I had a look on the site you linked to, and I would recommend getting this card: Leadtek 7600GS. However, you would need to upgrade your power supply - absolute minimum of 450W - 500W, from a quality brand such as Enermax, Seasonic, Antec, FSP, Silverstone, or OCZ. Read "Important Power Supply Information" in my signature - it explains why you need a bigger power supply, and gives very good recommendations.

arj154 · 10-25-2006, 07:55 AM

seems a bit pricey but i guess thats ok. Upgrading the power supply seems a bit wierd as u need to reconnect all of the power sockets but it sounds easy. Do i need to get the pacific measurements of my power supply?

arj154 · 10-25-2006, 07:57 AM

also i was wondering if its worth getting a very standard computer when vista comes out and just put in stuff from this computer like the hard drive?

**Fr4665** · 10-25-2006, 08:07 AM

it really depends on your budget. your computer will be vista capable with just the video card but in the future to play better games id suggest getting a newer system

the power supply SHOULD fit, i cant get any pictures of the internals of the case but maybe you could supply us with some quick snapshots of the inside of the computer so i can tell you that the psu will fit.

if your also interested look at the 6600GT video card its around 100$ and will do what ever you want to play just fine.

arj154 · 10-25-2006, 08:38 AM

is this one good this is also agp and seems to be ok. Will it run direct x 9? Will it let me use windows Aero? btw ive got a 360 aswell so im only gunna play the occassianal game on pc. Also i think theres a nvidia chip on mine since the audio is nvidia. Shoul i get a nvidia card? I'll post pics of the power supply later.

ebackhus · 10-25-2006, 12:39 PM

That is a capable card. It's roughly on par with a 6600 nVidia chip and supports DirectX 9.0c as well.

I'd just look for one with less VRAM as 512MB is really overkill on that card.

arj154 · 10-25-2006, 03:30 PM

so should i jus get a 256mb one? also i found out that i have 240v power supply so that means i definately need to buy a new power supply for this computer if i buy a new graphics card. ive taken some pics of the power supply.

pic 1
pic 2
pic 3

ive also picked a graphics card and a power supply

graphics card

power supply

or this power supply

actually im not too sure on the power supply bit, can anyone help me out with this?

ebackhus · 10-25-2006, 05:47 PM

The wattage on your PSU is BARELY enough to run that PC. A good 400 or 500w is what you need in there.

More RAM on the card can be beneficial for applications that uses many detailed textures, highly complex CAD models, and allows for games to have more distance drawn. Unless you do things like that regularly it's a waste.

arj154 · 10-26-2006, 07:19 AM

tbh i wanted a new graphics card so i can view windows aero, play the latest pc games for once and see if it makes any changes to stuff like dreamweaver since i like to edit my site.... when i can. Also i was thinkin, should i jus wait until nxt year and buy a very basic computer with i dunno 80gb a good graphics card and vista and then put in my hard drive and upgrade the RAM? Beacause this computer is about 3-4 years old now so i guess its time for a new one.

ebackhus · 10-26-2006, 08:10 AM

A 6600 can run Aero, but not all of the latest games. It simply lacks the "umph" necessary.

Dreamweaver is purely 2D so it won't run any smoother or more quickly than it would with a cheap-o PCI video card.

Vista will require a decent amount of processing power. Some older machines can pull it off bit not at the highest settings. I've run Vista with all the tricks on the rig listed in my signature and it ran pretty nicely. The hardware is about 2-3 years old in that guy.

10-25-2006, 05:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	which of these are better? ive found 2 graphics cards that i think are really good however i jus cant decide because i need to find the cheapest one and it has to be good quality and ive found these: graphics card 1 graphics card 2 o ye and heres my comp specs: 300gb hard drive 768mb RAM (512mb+256mb) AMD Athlon XP 2400+ geForce 4 mx460 (64mb) i dont know the power supply and the model of this computer is: sony vaio pcv-rx405 Last edited by arj154; 10-25-2006 at 06:02 AM.

10-25-2006, 06:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Indoril Nerevar Manager, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,007 OS: Windows 7 RC 64-bit My System	Unfortunately, neither of those cards is going to work in your system. They are both PCI-Express, and your motherboard will only support AGP cards. If you want to use a PCI-Express card, you'll need to upgrade the motherboard, CPU, power supply, and possibly RAM. However, you could just get an AGP card - in which case you'd only need to upgrade the power supply. (The specs of your current power supply can be found on the side of the power supply itself - open the case, and look at the side of the box which the power cord plugs into.) I had a look on the site you linked to, and I would recommend getting this card: Leadtek 7600GS. However, you would need to upgrade your power supply - absolute minimum of 450W - 500W, from a quality brand such as Enermax, Seasonic, Antec, FSP, Silverstone, or OCZ. Read "Important Power Supply Information" in my signature - it explains why you need a bigger power supply, and gives very good recommendations. __________________ Donating to the forum keeps TSF free for all. • Common PC Game Issues • Common Installation Issues • Posting System Specs • Power Supply Information • • NVIDIA Drivers • ATI Drivers • Thermal Paste Guide • System Requirements Lab • YouGamers Game-o-Meter • • Everest • Prime95 • DirectX • AMD Drivers • Memtest86 • SensorsView • Driver Cleaner • I do not give help via PM. Please post your question on the forum.

10-25-2006, 08:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fr4665 aka mr.fraggs Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA or Germany Posts: 2,965 OS: Win XP,Vista,Android My System	it really depends on your budget. your computer will be vista capable with just the video card but in the future to play better games id suggest getting a newer system the power supply SHOULD fit, i cant get any pictures of the internals of the case but maybe you could supply us with some quick snapshots of the inside of the computer so i can tell you that the psu will fit. if your also interested look at the 6600GT video card its around 100$ and will do what ever you want to play just fine. __________________ I don't subscribe to threads please PM me if i miss a reply. ------- Everest SensorView Pro DriverCleaner how to fix your game

10-25-2006, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,255 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	That is a capable card. It's roughly on par with a 6600 nVidia chip and supports DirectX 9.0c as well. I'd just look for one with less VRAM as 512MB is really overkill on that card. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

10-25-2006, 03:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	so should i jus get a 256mb one? also i found out that i have 240v power supply so that means i definately need to buy a new power supply for this computer if i buy a new graphics card. ive taken some pics of the power supply. pic 1 pic 2 pic 3 ive also picked a graphics card and a power supply graphics card power supply or this power supply actually im not too sure on the power supply bit, can anyone help me out with this? Last edited by arj154; 10-25-2006 at 03:40 PM.

10-25-2006, 07:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	seems a bit pricey but i guess thats ok. Upgrading the power supply seems a bit wierd as u need to reconnect all of the power sockets but it sounds easy. Do i need to get the pacific measurements of my power supply?

10-25-2006, 07:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	also i was wondering if its worth getting a very standard computer when vista comes out and just put in stuff from this computer like the hard drive?

10-25-2006, 08:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	is this one good this is also agp and seems to be ok. Will it run direct x 9? Will it let me use windows Aero? btw ive got a 360 aswell so im only gunna play the occassianal game on pc. Also i think theres a nvidia chip on mine since the audio is nvidia. Shoul i get a nvidia card? I'll post pics of the power supply later.

10-25-2006, 05:47 PM	#9 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,255 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	The wattage on your PSU is BARELY enough to run that PC. A good 400 or 500w is what you need in there. More RAM on the card can be beneficial for applications that uses many detailed textures, highly complex CAD models, and allows for games to have more distance drawn. Unless you do things like that regularly it's a waste. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

10-26-2006, 07:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
arj154 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50 OS: XP, Vista RC2	tbh i wanted a new graphics card so i can view windows aero, play the latest pc games for once and see if it makes any changes to stuff like dreamweaver since i like to edit my site.... when i can. Also i was thinkin, should i jus wait until nxt year and buy a very basic computer with i dunno 80gb a good graphics card and vista and then put in my hard drive and upgrade the RAM? Beacause this computer is about 3-4 years old now so i guess its time for a new one.

10-26-2006, 08:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,255 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	A 6600 can run Aero, but not all of the latest games. It simply lacks the "umph" necessary. Dreamweaver is purely 2D so it won't run any smoother or more quickly than it would with a cheap-o PCI video card. Vista will require a decent amount of processing power. Some older machines can pull it off bit not at the highest settings. I've run Vista with all the tricks on the rig listed in my signature and it ran pretty nicely. The hardware is about 2-3 years old in that guy. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.