OLD question But Need quick answer PLease

**REMA** · 05-08-2006, 11:06 AM

I presently have a Dell desktop with a Nvidia GeForce 6800 256mb PCI Express x16....Dell are to replace my PC and are offering me a "upgraded graphic card" which is a 256MG nVidia GeForce7900GS. I do play games and hope to do video editing for the family...NOT Believing anything is FREE...I am asking is this really a update ???? I thought this card was aimed at desktops and I am unable to to find much out about it. The Dell site offers it BUT gives no details about it BUT it does for the other cards..AM I BEING CONNED ?????
thanks for replies
REMA

ebackhus · 05-08-2006, 12:07 PM

Personal opinion: you were conned when you bought the Dell in the first place.

Reality: The 7900 is a significant step up from the 6800.

**REMA** · 05-09-2006, 01:41 AM

Anyone know of any reviews for this card 256Mb nVidia GeForce7900GS
Thx
TACK

**mgoldb2** · 05-09-2006, 01:46 AM

7900GS is better then any of the 6XXX cards period. The 7900GS is the BEST Agp card money can buy. My only question is why are they giving you an AGP computer? PCI-E has pretty much replaced agp and a 7900GT cost the same as a 7900GS and the 7900GT is a good amount better. The reason they get away with charging the same is 7900GT is PCI-E only and 7900GS is AGP only.

**REMA** · 05-09-2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgoldb2

7900GS is better then any of the 6XXX cards period. The 7900GS is the BEST Agp card money can buy. My only question is why are they giving you an AGP computer? PCI-E has pretty much replaced agp and a 7900GT cost the same as a 7900GS and the 7900GT is a good amount better. The reason they get away with charging the same is 7900GT is PCI-E only and 7900GS is AGP only.

This is a pci express card....I ve been shown the following information for 3D Marks
System
3.4 GHz i650
2x 250 GB HD
Windows XP SP1
1024 MB DDR2 533 Dual ChannelSblive

GeForce 7900 GS

Nvidia 256 MB G71

7745 3D Marks

test run with the following settings
3D Mark '05 (1024x768x32bpp, no AA, Optimal Texture Filtering, IHV Default on HLSL Vertex/Pixel Shader Path)

ARE THESE MARKS GOOD ENOUGH TO RUN Oblivion and other of the new games ???????

Thanks

ebackhus · 05-09-2006, 11:02 AM

Oblivion doesn't need much to run. I've seen in run well on an Athlon XP 2400+ with 256MB or RAM and a Radeon 9700.

**mgoldb2** · 05-09-2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Oblivion doesn't need much to run. I've seen in run well on an Athlon XP 2400+ with 256MB or RAM and a Radeon 9700.

I dont believe that for a secound. My friend have pretty much that exact computer with 512mb ram and it lags extremly bad. His laptop plays it better then that computer.

You sure he was not playing morrowind? :P

or a more serious question was he outside when you sure him play it? There a huge difference in requirements from underground to outside to at oblvion gates.

When I say huge difference I mean

inside - 80FPS
outside - 40FPS
oblivion gate - 30FPS

that just an example of how difference areas in the game change performance greatly.

But to answer the thread creator question yes that will have no problem playing oblivion unless you try HDR on 1280X1024 then you might have problems. You can pretty much play it on any setting with HDR off. with HDR on you proberly can play it for most part without problem except maybe at the oblivion gates.

ebackhus · 05-09-2006, 05:10 PM

Dude, I built the machine it was playing on. I know it works. It got slower outside, but not to the point that it was unplayable.

**Fr4665** · 05-10-2006, 07:41 PM

the 7900gs is alot better and yes it can be had in both agp and pcie. id say take the upgrade if its free.

to get to the oblivion point ... my friend is playing oblivion on med/low settings on a res of 1024x786 with a amd duron 1.6ghz 1gb ram and a 9500 and it doesnt lag at all anywhere in the game. but also the 9500 is overclocked like its on NOS or something (i did that :) )

**REMA** · 05-11-2006, 04:55 PM

[quote=Fr4665]the 7900gs is alot better and yes it can be had in both agp and pcie. id say take the upgrade if its free.

Thanks for reply...do you know of any reviews r where I can find technical specs for this card (PCIe variety)

Thanks ..tack så mycket

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and says

"OUCH!!! my Bl***y HEAD

**REMA** · 05-12-2006, 11:42 AM

IS this Geforce 7900 GS so new that there are no test marks for it outside of Dell ???...Must be some reviews somewhere ...

peterdiva · 05-12-2006, 12:58 PM

The 7900 GS seems to be for laptops http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/...328120127.html.

From what I can make out the GS version of the 7900 is for AGP, which is called a 7800 GS, and the GS for PCI-E cards is for the 7600 or lower. You're going to have to double check what they're actually offering.

Another thing is drivers, are Win98 drivers still available for the series 7 cards?

ebackhus · 05-12-2006, 01:02 PM

Not that I know of. www.nvidia.com can tell you for sure.

**REMA** · 05-13-2006, 03:54 AM

No definitely GeForce 7900GS PCIExpress. I have seen what is possibly an internal memo at Dell that is for the Peripheral Launch Team. (for this reason I don t wish to post it. It is somewhat sparce in details..giving just the basics and the nvidia features PureVideo, 64 bit point floating texture etc..AND I have seen a document stating its 3DMARK test to be 7745 run on this system:
Dimension XPS 600
3.4 GHz i650
2x 250 GB HD
Windows XP SP1
1024 MB DDR2 533 Dual Channel
Sblive

GeForce 7900 GS
Nvidia 256 MB G71
7745 3D Marks

3D Mark '05 (1024x768x32bpp, no AA, Optimal Texture Filtering, IHV Default on HLSL Vertex/Pixel Shader Path)

BUT NO INDEPENDANT REFERENCES TO THIS CARD......NO detailed tests...
I too though that this card was only for notebooks..laptops ...BUT this appears to be called the GO version...I also wondered if it was AGP...BUT NO DEFINITELY PciExpress...
Strange BUT True...

>Thanks for looking anyway...

peterdiva · 05-13-2006, 07:15 AM

I've found it, the XPS 600 system was the info needed - 7900GS.

This is just below the GT, the difference is 24 pipes compared to 20 for the GS. Also, there are two versions, one with DDR RAM and one with GDDR3 RAM (better).

Some magazine benchmarks I've seen for the GT in 3DMark 05 at 1024x768 with no AA or AF using an FX-55 CPU are around the 7850 mark (this is a good score). If your 6800 was the vanilla version (12 pipes), then this is a big step up, even if your 6800 had the full 16 pipes then it's still a nice step up.

So, you're not being conned, even though you'll probably get the one with the lesser RAM.

**REMA** · 05-13-2006, 10:34 AM

Well knock my bails (I said bails ) off with a googly.....I was stumped but now on the way back to the pavillion an Aussie umpire has called "NO BALL" and I am back in the crease

......Cheers Peterdiva.
...I looked all over for this , and you ve found better details than the European Customer Relations and Logistics Team Leader sent me ...although the information he did send stated that it was DDR3 memory...will be interesting to see when it arrives...

Thank again EVERYONE for your help..

05-08-2006, 11:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	OLD question But Need quick answer PLease I presently have a Dell desktop with a Nvidia GeForce 6800 256mb PCI Express x16....Dell are to replace my PC and are offering me a "upgraded graphic card" which is a 256MG nVidia GeForce7900GS. I do play games and hope to do video editing for the family...NOT Believing anything is FREE...I am asking is this really a update ???? I thought this card was aimed at desktops and I am unable to to find much out about it. The Dell site offers it BUT gives no details about it BUT it does for the other cards..AM I BEING CONNED ????? thanks for replies REMA

05-08-2006, 12:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Personal opinion: you were conned when you bought the Dell in the first place. Reality: The 7900 is a significant step up from the 6800. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

05-09-2006, 01:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
mgoldb2 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 604 OS: windows xp	7900GS is better then any of the 6XXX cards period. The 7900GS is the BEST Agp card money can buy. My only question is why are they giving you an AGP computer? PCI-E has pretty much replaced agp and a 7900GT cost the same as a 7900GS and the 7900GT is a good amount better. The reason they get away with charging the same is 7900GT is PCI-E only and 7900GS is AGP only. __________________

05-09-2006, 11:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Oblivion doesn't need much to run. I've seen in run well on an Athlon XP 2400+ with 256MB or RAM and a Radeon 9700. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

05-09-2006, 05:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Dude, I built the machine it was playing on. I know it works. It got slower outside, but not to the point that it was unplayable. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

05-09-2006, 01:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	Anyone know of any reviews for this card 256Mb nVidia GeForce7900GS Thx TACK

05-10-2006, 07:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
Fr4665 aka mr.fraggs Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA or Germany Posts: 2,965 OS: Win XP,Vista,Android My System	the 7900gs is alot better and yes it can be had in both agp and pcie. id say take the upgrade if its free. to get to the oblivion point ... my friend is playing oblivion on med/low settings on a res of 1024x786 with a amd duron 1.6ghz 1gb ram and a 9500 and it doesnt lag at all anywhere in the game. but also the 9500 is overclocked like its on NOS or something (i did that :) ) __________________ I don't subscribe to threads please PM me if i miss a reply. ------- Everest SensorView Pro DriverCleaner how to fix your game

05-11-2006, 04:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	[quote=Fr4665]the 7900gs is alot better and yes it can be had in both agp and pcie. id say take the upgrade if its free. Thanks for reply...do you know of any reviews r where I can find technical specs for this card (PCIe variety) Thanks ..tack så mycket A man walks into a bar and says "OUCH!!! my Bl***y HEAD

05-12-2006, 11:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	IS this Geforce 7900 GS so new that there are no test marks for it outside of Dell ???...Must be some reviews somewhere ...

05-12-2006, 12:58 PM	#12 (permalink)
peterdiva Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Western Australia Posts: 455 OS: WinXP	The 7900 GS seems to be for laptops http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/...328120127.html. From what I can make out the GS version of the 7900 is for AGP, which is called a 7800 GS, and the GS for PCI-E cards is for the 7600 or lower. You're going to have to double check what they're actually offering. Another thing is drivers, are Win98 drivers still available for the series 7 cards?

05-12-2006, 01:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,341 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Not that I know of. www.nvidia.com can tell you for sure. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

05-13-2006, 03:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	No definitely GeForce 7900GS PCIExpress. I have seen what is possibly an internal mem No definitely GeForce 7900GS PCIExpress. I have seen what is possibly an internal memo at Dell that is for the Peripheral Launch Team. (for this reason I don t wish to post it. It is somewhat sparce in details..giving just the basics and the nvidia features PureVideo, 64 bit point floating texture etc..AND I have seen a document stating its 3DMARK test to be 7745 run on this system: Dimension XPS 600 3.4 GHz i650 2x 250 GB HD Windows XP SP1 1024 MB DDR2 533 Dual Channel Sblive GeForce 7900 GS Nvidia 256 MB G71 7745 3D Marks 3D Mark '05 (1024x768x32bpp, no AA, Optimal Texture Filtering, IHV Default on HLSL Vertex/Pixel Shader Path) BUT NO INDEPENDANT REFERENCES TO THIS CARD......NO detailed tests... I too though that this card was only for notebooks..laptops ...BUT this appears to be called the GO version...I also wondered if it was AGP...BUT NO DEFINITELY PciExpress... Strange BUT True... >Thanks for looking anyway...

05-13-2006, 07:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
peterdiva Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Western Australia Posts: 455 OS: WinXP	I've found it, the XPS 600 system was the info needed - 7900GS. This is just below the GT, the difference is 24 pipes compared to 20 for the GS. Also, there are two versions, one with DDR RAM and one with GDDR3 RAM (better). Some magazine benchmarks I've seen for the GT in 3DMark 05 at 1024x768 with no AA or AF using an FX-55 CPU are around the 7850 mark (this is a good score). If your 6800 was the vanilla version (12 pipes), then this is a big step up, even if your 6800 had the full 16 pipes then it's still a nice step up. So, you're not being conned, even though you'll probably get the one with the lesser RAM. Last edited by peterdiva; 05-13-2006 at 07:30 AM.

05-13-2006, 10:34 AM	#16 (permalink)
REMA And the TSF helped me! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sweden Sverige Posts: 195 OS: xp32 bit	Well knock my bails (I said bails ) off with a googly.....I was stumped but now on the way back to the pavillion an Aussie umpire has called "NO BALL" and I am back in the crease ......Cheers Peterdiva. ...I looked all over for this , and you ve found better details than the European Customer Relations and Logistics Team Leader sent me ...although the information he did send stated that it was DDR3 memory...will be interesting to see when it arrives... Thank again EVERYONE for your help..