BIOS does not recognize CDRW or DVD

jimbo1 · 03-03-2006, 12:28 PM

I replaced the hard drive in mt DEll8250 by installing it as the slave, copying all the data from the original, removing the original and setting the bios to select. This worked well.
But without altering the cable or troubling the setup for the CDROM or DVD (on the same cable) the bios only recognized the CDrom at first, then shortl after didnt recognize either drive.
The bios settings were on auto for both these secondary drives.
What can i do??
I have also replaced the cable ensuring that it was installed the correct way, and this made no difference.

Tumbleweed36 · 03-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Hi,

What you need to do is take both drives off the cable and set the jumpers for the one you want on the end of the cable as master. Then, set the one as slave and put it in the middle connector of the ribbon cable. I think that you simply have mixed jumper settings and it will not work that way.

My recommendation is always to set a hard drive as master on the end of the ribbon cable. Other drives, your choice like if you have two CDRom drives or DVD drives on a cable. I do however, set the DVD types as master as a personal preference.

When you have given this a try, post back.

jimbo1 · 03-03-2006, 06:38 PM

Thanks for the interest. The DVD is at the end and the CDR in the middle of the cable. The HD is on a different cable to the DVD%CDR. I did not change the cabling until the problem had arisen, so i assume that the jumpers are OK. but even so I cannot find Samsung jumper positions as yet to determine what the jumpers are set to now.
I will keep looking but any further thoughts?
Jimbo

Tumbleweed36 · 03-03-2006, 07:02 PM

Hi,

You really need to check them all on any cable that does not work. Here is a link you need to take a look at for jumper settings:

For Samsung hard disk drives, see http://www.samsung.com.

jimbo1 · 03-03-2006, 07:43 PM

It appears that both the DVD (Samsung) and CDRW (HL data storage) are set at cable select.
As I know the cable to my HD is working, could I put one of these on that cable to see if the bios recognizes it?

Tumbleweed36 · 03-03-2006, 07:52 PM

Hi,

No reason you could not try that if the jumper sequence matches. I do HIGHLY recommend the master/slave settings over Cable Select, but you have to make that choice for you. If one on that cable is cable select, they BOTH must be set to cable select. If it were mine, I would not do the cable select. Make sure the master one is on the end of the ribbon cable.

jimbo1 · 03-03-2006, 08:08 PM

As discussed, iput my DVD on the ide1 cable as the slave to my HD and it is recognized, shows up in device manager. So my 2nd ide cable seems to be the problem, i checked the connections and they are OK, and the is a new cablw connected the way the old one was )red stripe in the correct position etc.......
Any further thoughts ..

Tumbleweed36 · 03-04-2006, 10:08 AM

Hi,

Why not leave the DVD drive there or is there another drive you need to put on that cable? Then, set the CDRom as Master and place it on the end of that ribbon cable on IDE #2, and leave the middle connector empty? Will that work for you if it is alone on that cable, or do you need another slot for something? Have you tried another ribbon cable on that IDE connection?

jimbo1 · 03-04-2006, 11:30 AM

I tried putting the CDrom on the second ide cable and it didnt work. I will go buy another new cable today and try again - will post my success!!
thanks for the time.
jimbo

**kodi** · 03-04-2006, 11:45 AM

Did you try all three jumper settings on the cdrom?

jimbo1 · 03-04-2006, 10:59 PM

Well, I replaced the IDE2 cable and set the jumpers to Master on the DVD and Slave on the CDrom, but no joy - the DVD was at the end of the cable. I then put the new cable in to IDE1 with the HD on select & the DVD on Select and they both work.

I put the IDE1 cable Which I know was OK into IDE2 with the CDrom set to master at the end of the cable and the BIOS will not recognize it and windows does not show the secondary controller or the CDrom in the device manager.
It seems that my secondary does not work at all
Any thoughts anyone.

Tumbleweed36 · 03-05-2006, 05:56 AM

Hi,

Go to Start, Control Panel, System, Hardware, Device manager and see if you have any yellow marks by any of the items.

jimbo1 · 03-05-2006, 03:53 PM

Didnt have any yellow - but then I removed the battery from the motherboard, clearing the CMOS (the battery is now reporting low), and suddenly the 2nd IDE is OK. The DVD as master is working, recognized by the BIOS, but my CDrom (slave) is still not being recognized by the BIOS nor of course the device manager.
So now I will insert this CDrom in another computer and see if it is really dead.
I will also buy another battery!

Now ive discovered another interesting fact
The bios will recognize the DVD when it is set as master on the end of the cable....but...when i put the CDrom in the middle set on slave, the bios does not recognize either the DVD not the CDrom. I double checked the jumpers and they are set as they should be.

Tumbleweed36 · 03-05-2006, 04:10 PM

Hi,

I agree with your process. I would replace the battery first and then if it does not work, take it to another computer. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

jimbo1 · 03-18-2006, 11:14 AM

All is now OK
In summary
The cures were the clearing of the CMOS and the replacement of the CDrom drive.
The other stuff didnt seem to make any difference - changing the cable or the CMOS battery.
Thanks to all who helped me through - esp tumbleweed who stuck it though.

Tumbleweed36 · 03-18-2006, 01:29 PM

Hi,

We were glad to be able to work with you. Now, don't be a stranger on the forum, hang around and lend a hand if you see the same thing you had. We all learn by doing. Have a great day.

03-03-2006, 12:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	BIOS does not recognize CDRW or DVD I replaced the hard drive in mt DEll8250 by installing it as the slave, copying all the data from the original, removing the original and setting the bios to select. This worked well. But without altering the cable or troubling the setup for the CDROM or DVD (on the same cable) the bios only recognized the CDrom at first, then shortl after didnt recognize either drive. The bios settings were on auto for both these secondary drives. What can i do?? I have also replaced the cable ensuring that it was installed the correct way, and this made no difference. Last edited by jimbo1; 03-03-2006 at 12:35 PM.

03-03-2006, 05:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, What you need to do is take both drives off the cable and set the jumpers for the one you want on the end of the cable as master. Then, set the one as slave and put it in the middle connector of the ribbon cable. I think that you simply have mixed jumper settings and it will not work that way. My recommendation is always to set a hard drive as master on the end of the ribbon cable. Other drives, your choice like if you have two CDRom drives or DVD drives on a cable. I do however, set the DVD types as master as a personal preference. When you have given this a try, post back. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 03-03-2006 at 05:40 PM.

03-03-2006, 07:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, You really need to check them all on any cable that does not work. Here is a link you need to take a look at for jumper settings: For Samsung hard disk drives, see http://www.samsung.com. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

03-03-2006, 07:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, No reason you could not try that if the jumper sequence matches. I do HIGHLY recommend the master/slave settings over Cable Select, but you have to make that choice for you. If one on that cable is cable select, they BOTH must be set to cable select. If it were mine, I would not do the cable select. Make sure the master one is on the end of the ribbon cable. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

03-04-2006, 10:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, Why not leave the DVD drive there or is there another drive you need to put on that cable? Then, set the CDRom as Master and place it on the end of that ribbon cable on IDE #2, and leave the middle connector empty? Will that work for you if it is alone on that cable, or do you need another slot for something? Have you tried another ribbon cable on that IDE connection? __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

03-03-2006, 06:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	Thanks for the interest. The DVD is at the end and the CDR in the middle of the cable. The HD is on a different cable to the DVD%CDR. I did not change the cabling until the problem had arisen, so i assume that the jumpers are OK. but even so I cannot find Samsung jumper positions as yet to determine what the jumpers are set to now. I will keep looking but any further thoughts? Jimbo

03-03-2006, 07:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	It appears that both the DVD (Samsung) and CDRW (HL data storage) are set at cable select. As I know the cable to my HD is working, could I put one of these on that cable to see if the bios recognizes it?

03-03-2006, 08:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	As discussed, iput my DVD on the ide1 cable as the slave to my HD and it is recognized, shows up in device manager. So my 2nd ide cable seems to be the problem, i checked the connections and they are OK, and the is a new cablw connected the way the old one was )red stripe in the correct position etc....... Any further thoughts ..

03-04-2006, 11:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	I tried putting the CDrom on the second ide cable and it didnt work. I will go buy another new cable today and try again - will post my success!! thanks for the time. jimbo

03-04-2006, 11:45 AM	#10 (permalink)
kodi Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 7,397 OS: Windows 7-Ultimate 64 Bit My System	Did you try all three jumper settings on the cdrom? __________________ Brian

03-04-2006, 10:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	Well, I replaced the IDE2 cable and set the jumpers to Master on the DVD and Slave on the CDrom, but no joy - the DVD was at the end of the cable. I then put the new cable in to IDE1 with the HD on select & the DVD on Select and they both work. I put the IDE1 cable Which I know was OK into IDE2 with the CDrom set to master at the end of the cable and the BIOS will not recognize it and windows does not show the secondary controller or the CDrom in the device manager. It seems that my secondary does not work at all Any thoughts anyone.

03-05-2006, 05:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, Go to Start, Control Panel, System, Hardware, Device manager and see if you have any yellow marks by any of the items. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

03-05-2006, 03:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	Didnt have any yellow - but then I removed the battery from the motherboard, clearing the CMOS (the battery is now reporting low), and suddenly the 2nd IDE is OK. The DVD as master is working, recognized by the BIOS, but my CDrom (slave) is still not being recognized by the BIOS nor of course the device manager. So now I will insert this CDrom in another computer and see if it is really dead. I will also buy another battery! Now ive discovered another interesting fact The bios will recognize the DVD when it is set as master on the end of the cable....but...when i put the CDrom in the middle set on slave, the bios does not recognize either the DVD not the CDrom. I double checked the jumpers and they are set as they should be. Last edited by jimbo1; 03-05-2006 at 04:09 PM. Reason: additional info

03-05-2006, 04:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, I agree with your process. I would replace the battery first and then if it does not work, take it to another computer. Good luck and let us know how it goes. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

03-18-2006, 11:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
jimbo1 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 9 OS: XP pro	All is now OK In summary The cures were the clearing of the CMOS and the replacement of the CDrom drive. The other stuff didnt seem to make any difference - changing the cable or the CMOS battery. Thanks to all who helped me through - esp tumbleweed who stuck it though.

03-18-2006, 01:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,650 OS: XP Professional	Hi, We were glad to be able to work with you. Now, don't be a stranger on the forum, hang around and lend a hand if you see the same thing you had. We all learn by doing. Have a great day. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.