CD rom not recognised on IDE cable

kid691 · 08-02-2008, 07:43 AM

Hi

I am building a pc from scratch, I have my IDE cable connected to the motherboard secondary primary slot. When the computer is turned on, power is supplied to cd drive but is not recognised on IDE. Do I have an IDE or Motherboard failure? Also on front of machine there is a stable red light and I am unable to access bios set up and it hangs on 'entering setup'.

Thanks

Tumbleweed36 · 08-02-2008, 07:57 AM

On the CDRom issue. How do you have it jumpered? What else is on that cable? Where do you have it located on that ribbon cable (middle or end). Does the computer turn on and run without the CDRom? What are your specs?

dai · 08-02-2008, 12:03 PM

are you using the 80 wire ide cable with the
blue
grey
black plugs

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 04:59 AM

Hi
The cd rom is the only component on the ide cable at the moment...
I don't have the blue, black ide cable, the ide cables are light grey.

The cd rom is on the first connector on the ribbon.

For the moment I don't have the hard drive connected as I want to diagnose the cd rom issue first.

I have a nine in one card reader which shows two red lights on the front of the tower.

I also have one red light on the front but when the ide cable is taken out this light does not show.

The motherboard is the asus 8 n-sli.
Socket 939.
Processor 3500 + amd.
256 meg ram (just to get it running)

Thanks

Tumbleweed36 · 08-03-2008, 05:19 AM

If alone on the ribbon cable, set the jumpers to master and put that baby on the END connector of the ribbon cable. The light gray cable is an older 40 connector cable. Although CDRom's will sometimes work on a 40 connector cable, I would suggest you get an 80 connector cable and that might make it work for you. That way you are assured it is done correctly anyhow.

BTW, my spare computer is the same as yours (the a8n-sli deluxe board), except I have the San Diego 3700+ CPU. Nice little rig anyway and I like that board a lot.

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 05:42 AM

Hi

I have changed the cd rom and the hard drive to master on the same ribbon, the red light does not show but the bios does'nt detect either of them.

I bought the board cos it had the best reviews, I'm dying to get it all working

Thanks for all your help

Tumbleweed36 · 08-03-2008, 07:49 AM

When you changed it, did you make the hard drive master and on the END of the ribbon cable, and the CDRom as slave and in the middle connector????

With the hard drive on there, you must be using an 80 connector cable, no question about that one.

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 07:55 AM

Hi

I'm going to have to get a new cable. I Will let you know if i can get it all working.

Thanks

Tumbleweed36 · 08-03-2008, 08:06 AM

Do let us know, the 80 connector cable may be the key to this one. If not, then we will look at other issues.

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 10:20 AM

another question, do you think there could be a problem with the bios or the motherboard?

reason i ask is that i have a raid card installed on the motherboard and that detects the HDD but not the cdrom drive using the same ide cables attached to the raid

Tumbleweed36 · 08-03-2008, 10:23 AM

Question - Do you have a raid array installed on this machine?

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 10:31 AM

i have the raid card installed but by array do u mean 2 hdd's running on it?

kid691 · 08-03-2008, 11:04 AM

also i have tried a yellow ide cable with blue and black connectors and it still doesnt detect anything the only thing is the one im using is missing a connector in the middle, would this matter?

Tumbleweed36 · 08-03-2008, 03:00 PM

You need to use a ribbon cable that has (connectors) Blue to the motherboard, gray to the middle connector, and black on the end connector. You need to have a cable like that with no substitutions for it to work correctly.

Yes, do you have an array (2 or more drives) hooked up in Raid configuration? If you don't, take that card out of there since it serves no purpose.

kid691 · 08-04-2008, 05:10 AM

so if the ide cables dont work will it be a case of a problem with my motherboard ide slots?

Tumbleweed36 · 08-04-2008, 05:35 AM

Too early to tell. Do you have the hard drive area set to "Auto" in the bios?

kid691 · 08-04-2008, 05:57 AM

both the cdrom and hard drive is set to auto, as mentioned though the raid card does recognise the hard drive so i know theres no problem there using normal ide cables, i just dont want to go out and buy a new board sio looking for alternatives if the motherboard ide slots are buggered

Tumbleweed36 · 08-04-2008, 07:28 AM

If you have the hard drive on an aftrmarket raid card (I still don't understand why you have it hooked this way) and it recognizes it, then you need to have the CDRom (if alone on the ribbon cable) set to Master on the Primary IDE and be placed on the end of the ribbon cable. Have you done this yet. In addition, if you have a decent raid card (capable of raid), then you should also be able to hook other IDE devices on there. Have you tried that?

kid691 · 08-04-2008, 11:41 AM

the raid card is probably about 6 months old and purchased from a retailer, the cdrom has always been set to master and placed in the primary ide slot and on the end connector but still the bios dont pick it up.

i have tried the cdrom on the raid card but it doesnt pick it up, i forgot to mention that at one point the cdrom did actually load up a xp disc but i didnt have a hard drive avaliable so hence it could not install, and also the cdrom still did not show on the bios menu.

is there a way to get the cdrom working on the raid card then?

kid691 · 08-07-2008, 01:57 AM

anyone got an answer?

08-02-2008, 07:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Hi I am building a pc from scratch, I have my IDE cable connected to the motherboard secondary primary slot. When the computer is turned on, power is supplied to cd drive but is not recognised on IDE. Do I have an IDE or Motherboard failure? Also on front of machine there is a stable red light and I am unable to access bios set up and it hangs on 'entering setup'. Thanks Last edited by kid691; 08-02-2008 at 07:44 AM. Reason: More info supplied

08-02-2008, 07:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable On the CDRom issue. How do you have it jumpered? What else is on that cable? Where do you have it located on that ribbon cable (middle or end). Does the computer turn on and run without the CDRom? What are your specs? __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-02-2008, 12:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,646 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable are you using the 80 wire ide cable with the blue grey black plugs __________________

08-03-2008, 04:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Hi The cd rom is the only component on the ide cable at the moment... I don't have the blue, black ide cable, the ide cables are light grey. The cd rom is on the first connector on the ribbon. For the moment I don't have the hard drive connected as I want to diagnose the cd rom issue first. I have a nine in one card reader which shows two red lights on the front of the tower. I also have one red light on the front but when the ide cable is taken out this light does not show. The motherboard is the asus 8 n-sli. Socket 939. Processor 3500 + amd. 256 meg ram (just to get it running) Thanks

08-03-2008, 05:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable If alone on the ribbon cable, set the jumpers to master and put that baby on the *END* connector of the ribbon cable. The light gray cable is an older 40 connector cable. Although CDRom's will sometimes work on a 40 connector cable, I would suggest you get an 80 connector cable and that might make it work for you. That way you are assured it is done correctly anyhow. BTW, my spare computer is the same as yours (the a8n-sli deluxe board), except I have the San Diego 3700+ CPU. Nice little rig anyway and I like that board a lot. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 08-03-2008 at 05:24 AM.

08-03-2008, 05:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Hi I have changed the cd rom and the hard drive to master on the same ribbon, the red light does not show but the bios does'nt detect either of them. I bought the board cos it had the best reviews, I'm dying to get it all working Thanks for all your help

08-03-2008, 07:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable When you changed it, did you make the hard drive master and on the END of the ribbon cable, and the CDRom as slave and in the middle connector???? With the hard drive on there, you must be using an 80 connector cable, no question about that one. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-03-2008, 07:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Hi I'm going to have to get a new cable. I Will let you know if i can get it all working. Thanks

08-03-2008, 08:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Do let us know, the 80 connector cable may be the key to this one. If not, then we will look at other issues. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-03-2008, 10:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable another question, do you think there could be a problem with the bios or the motherboard? reason i ask is that i have a raid card installed on the motherboard and that detects the HDD but not the cdrom drive using the same ide cables attached to the raid

08-03-2008, 10:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Question - Do you have a raid array installed on this machine? __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-03-2008, 10:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable i have the raid card installed but by array do u mean 2 hdd's running on it?

08-03-2008, 11:04 AM	#13 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable also i have tried a yellow ide cable with blue and black connectors and it still doesnt detect anything the only thing is the one im using is missing a connector in the middle, would this matter? Last edited by kid691; 08-03-2008 at 11:11 AM.

08-03-2008, 03:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable You need to use a ribbon cable that has (connectors) Blue to the motherboard, gray to the middle connector, and black on the end connector. You need to have a cable like that with no substitutions for it to work correctly. Yes, do you have an array (2 or more drives) hooked up in Raid configuration? If you don't, take that card out of there since it serves no purpose. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 08-03-2008 at 03:01 PM.

08-04-2008, 05:10 AM	#15 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable so if the ide cables dont work will it be a case of a problem with my motherboard ide slots?

08-04-2008, 05:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable Too early to tell. Do you have the hard drive area set to "Auto" in the bios? __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-04-2008, 05:57 AM	#17 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable both the cdrom and hard drive is set to auto, as mentioned though the raid card does recognise the hard drive so i know theres no problem there using normal ide cables, i just dont want to go out and buy a new board sio looking for alternatives if the motherboard ide slots are buggered

08-04-2008, 07:28 AM	#18 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,662 OS: XP Professional	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable If you have the hard drive on an aftrmarket raid card (I still don't understand why you have it hooked this way) and it recognizes it, then you need to have the CDRom (if alone on the ribbon cable) set to Master on the Primary IDE and be placed on the end of the ribbon cable. Have you done this yet. In addition, if you have a decent raid card (capable of raid), then you should also be able to hook other IDE devices on there. Have you tried that? __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

08-04-2008, 11:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable the raid card is probably about 6 months old and purchased from a retailer, the cdrom has always been set to master and placed in the primary ide slot and on the end connector but still the bios dont pick it up. i have tried the cdrom on the raid card but it doesnt pick it up, i forgot to mention that at one point the cdrom did actually load up a xp disc but i didnt have a hard drive avaliable so hence it could not install, and also the cdrom still did not show on the bios menu. is there a way to get the cdrom working on the raid card then?

08-07-2008, 01:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
kid691 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 19 OS: xp	Re: CD rom not recognised on IDE cable anyone got an answer?