[SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU

BadNeighbor · 04-08-2008, 12:47 PM

So I've decided to get a new Graphics card for my Not So High Tech
Dell E521 ( Specs are in my sig ), and apparently, I hadn't done enough research, and it requires a 400 Watt MINIMUM PSU, my PC only has 305 Watt PSU, but alot of people argue that it will still work since the PSU has 22 Amps on the 12V rail(s) ( Not too sure if they're right or wrong ).
And I also encountered a PC owner with the same PC and PSU, and he said he could use the 7900 GS fine, and already had one. I'm not really sure who to trust, but my Brain is telling me I should get a new PSU. My choices are on DirectCanada.com and the price limit is 50$ INCLUDING shipping ( Tax doesn't really matter, shipping's only 9.99$ CA ), and I'm thinking my best choices are 450 - 500 Watt, prefferably 450 - 500. I've found a PSU that looks alright:
http://http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC7661&vpn=RS-460-PMSR&manufacture=COOLERMASTER
I've seen good reviews and bad reviews on Newegg.com, mostly good, some bad, 2 said they were DOA when they received them, one of which ordered one after another and both were DOA, but 80% of the Reviews were saying that it worked good, and there were 16 reviews.
BUT there's a problem. This PSU only has 18 Amps on the 12V Rail(s), and the GPU requires 22 Amp Minimum, and that it will not work, but I've ALSO seen someone with the PSU powering the same GPU (?). I'm very confused and I don't know what to do or who to trust. If you agree that I'll need a PSU, please, search DirectCanada.com and search for a 400 - 500 Watt PSU 50 Dollars Max including shipping ( 9.99$ ) that you trust and think will power my PC with the 7900 GS ( Which I received yesterday, it's made by EVGA ).
There's a pretty wide selection, so I don't think it will be a problem.
Thank you for all your support, and sorry my Thread is a bit long ( maybe not on this website, but on other's it would be concidered too long ).

BadNeighbor · 04-08-2008, 01:27 PM

I also forgot to add, that my Dell might be a Proprietary PC, and would require a Dell Compatible PSU. Are dells ATX compatible?
Or is it just the company that would make un compatible PSUs?

Thething · 04-08-2008, 01:39 PM

hello

Hmm someone can correct me if im wrong

I hope this isnt the case though and good luck with it

.

BadNeighbor · 04-08-2008, 02:11 PM

Thanks I had just realised that in the 2nd post, now I'm starting to take sides of KEEPING my PSU and trying it, I just don't want to fry it. I don't have much in my PC, 2 sticks of 512MB RAM, The 3500+ Processor, 1 HD Drive and 1 DVD, the Mobo of course, it almost looks EMPTY when I open the case. And I've also seen a thread saying that I should be fine since my PC doesn't have that many components and doesn't require alot of Power, and the 7900 GS only requires 45 Watts of Power, which isn't much, but I'm still lost. Any recommendations?

dai · 04-08-2008, 03:39 PM

pcie=a min requirement of 26amps on the 12v+ line
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

Power Supply Information and Selection
dell have used standard atx psu's since the p4

BadNeighbor · 04-08-2008, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dai

pcie=a min requirement of 26amps on the 12v+ line
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

Power Supply Information and Selection
dell have used standard atx psu's since the p4

This is a good thing, right?
Standard ATX Psu's = will work in my PC?
And I know I sound a bit poor, but I'm not looking for a 100$ PSU +
the 25$ shipping, I was looking towards the 50 - 60 dollar side, and 26 Amps on the 12v+ line? The 7900 GS only requires 22 Amps, :S
Now I'm even more confused and mad.

If there has been people talking about how their PC has run 18 Amp+ PSUs with 450 Watts with the same computer/card, shouldn't I be able to use the same setup?
There's even been cases of people not even bothering changing the Stock PSU.

So I'm alright when it comes to choosing a PSU, I can pick any ATX PSU, right?
The only problem is the Amps and the Wattage, and I guess the price

Any more recommendations from DirectCanada.com?
If not, please try to make it a PSU that will actually work and will ship to Canada for under 60$ ( like raising the Budget by 10$ will make a difference... )

dai · 04-08-2008, 04:38 PM

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...680&cid=PS.808
http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=ANTEC

BadNeighbor · 04-08-2008, 06:08 PM

Alright thanks, I'll try those, they look good.
They have enough Amps on the 12V Rails?
And if there's ant other suggestions please, do tell.
But dai thanks for that, I never realised Canadacomputers.com was a source for PSUs.
I appreciate your help.

EDIT: I think I'll go with the OCZ, just a gut feeling and it should be nice and quiet.
Thanks dai.

Would this do the trick?:

http://http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016235&cid=PS.808

Tumbleweed36 · 04-08-2008, 06:29 PM

The link you have given does not work and dai is not on right now. Might want to fix that link.

dai · 04-09-2008, 10:55 AM

yes it will do what you have but if you upgrade the video later it will push you into another psu upgrade for the sake of $20
here are the line values
http://www.ocztechnology.com/drivers/500wchart.JPG

BadNeighbor · 04-09-2008, 12:12 PM

So I'm fine with the one I mentioned?
And Tumble the link worked fine for me...

EDIT: Oh sorry you were right, didn't notice that dai corrected it.

dai · 04-09-2008, 12:23 PM

yes you should be

BadNeighbor · 04-09-2008, 02:41 PM

Thank you very much for your support Dai.
I'm not aware of if OCZ is a Trusted company or not, but I'll go with you, I'm assuming it will work. Without your support I probably would've fried my new GPU and my Mobo and probably would have just wasted 50 dollars. That's a great save.
And don't worry, no more dells, and I don't think I'll be getting a more Powerful GPU any time soon, not until I get a new PC altogether. Thank you everyone for all your support.

dai · 04-09-2008, 02:44 PM

enjoy your games

BadNeighbor · 04-09-2008, 02:53 PM

I've also found out that it only comes with 2 SATA Cables, would this be alright for my PC?
Or would I need more ( Wouldn't be much of a deal, found some for 2,99$ Free Shipping )

BadNeighbor · 04-09-2008, 03:12 PM

HOLD ON, I found a Corsair that looks PERFECT for this occasion.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=014940&cid=PS.808

If link doesn't work, all you need to know is that it's a:

Corsair CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX 12V 33A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active Pfc 120MM Fan (CMPSU-450VX)

I've heard that Corsairs are very good PSUs.
This will be my last comment, promise.
If anyone has any objections about this one, just post.

dai · 04-09-2008, 03:12 PM

the sata cables it refers to are the sata power cables not the data cables most of the sata drives usually give you the choice of plugging in a sata or molex power plug

dai · 04-09-2008, 03:20 PM

yes it's ok has 33a on a single rail which i prefer to the multiple rails,as you lose access to a lot of the amps on the multi rails

04-08-2008, 12:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	[SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU So I've decided to get a new Graphics card for my Not So High Tech Dell E521 ( Specs are in my sig ), and apparently, I hadn't done enough research, and it requires a 400 Watt MINIMUM PSU, my PC only has 305 Watt PSU, but alot of people argue that it will still work since the PSU has 22 Amps on the 12V rail(s) ( Not too sure if they're right or wrong ). And I also encountered a PC owner with the same PC and PSU, and he said he could use the 7900 GS fine, and already had one. I'm not really sure who to trust, but my Brain is telling me I should get a new PSU. My choices are on DirectCanada.com and the price limit is 50$ INCLUDING shipping ( Tax doesn't really matter, shipping's only 9.99$ CA ), and I'm thinking my best choices are 450 - 500 Watt, prefferably 450 - 500. I've found a PSU that looks alright: http://http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC7661&vpn=RS-460-PMSR&manufacture=COOLERMASTER I've seen good reviews and bad reviews on Newegg.com, mostly good, some bad, 2 said they were DOA when they received them, one of which ordered one after another and both were DOA, but 80% of the Reviews were saying that it worked good, and there were 16 reviews. BUT there's a problem. This PSU only has 18 Amps on the 12V Rail(s), and the GPU requires 22 Amp Minimum, and that it will not work, but I've ALSO seen someone with the PSU powering the same GPU (?). I'm very confused and I don't know what to do or who to trust. If you agree that I'll need a PSU, please, search DirectCanada.com and search for a 400 - 500 Watt PSU 50 Dollars Max including shipping ( 9.99$ ) that you trust and think will power my PC with the 7900 GS ( Which I received yesterday, it's made by EVGA ). There's a pretty wide selection, so I don't think it will be a problem. Thank you for all your support, and sorry my Thread is a bit long ( maybe not on this website, but on other's it would be concidered too long ). __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-08-2008, 01:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: Help PSU/GPU I also forgot to add, that my Dell might be a Proprietary PC, and would require a Dell Compatible PSU. Are dells ATX compatible? Or is it just the company that would make un compatible PSUs? __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-08-2008, 01:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Thething Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Vista 64 Bit Home Premium	Re: Help PSU/GPU hello Hmm someone can correct me if im wrong I hope this isnt the case though and good luck with it. __________________ Asus maximus extreme motherboard, Intel QX9650Quad Core CPU 3Ghz, Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro CPU cooler, 4GB Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM, MSI ATI Radeon HD3870x2 Graphics Card, 3x 320GB Hard Drives, 1000Watt Coolermaster M1000 PSU, Coolermaster stacker 830 Case, 24 Inch Monitor, Creative Itrigue 2.1 Speakers, Vista 64bit home premium. Last edited by dai : 04-08-2008 at 03:37 PM. Reason: to correct

04-08-2008, 02:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: Help PSU/GPU Thanks I had just realised that in the 2nd post, now I'm starting to take sides of KEEPING my PSU and trying it, I just don't want to fry it. I don't have much in my PC, 2 sticks of 512MB RAM, The 3500+ Processor, 1 HD Drive and 1 DVD, the Mobo of course, it almost looks EMPTY when I open the case. And I've also seen a thread saying that I should be fine since my PC doesn't have that many components and doesn't require alot of Power, and the 7900 GS only requires 45 Watts of Power, which isn't much, but I'm still lost. Any recommendations? __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-08-2008, 03:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Help PSU/GPU pcie=a min requirement of 26amps on the 12v+ line http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004 Power Supply Information and Selection dell have used standard atx psu's since the p4 __________________

04-08-2008, 04:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Help PSU/GPU http://www.canadacomputers.com/index...680&cid=PS.808 http://www.directcanada.com/products...ufacture=ANTEC __________________

04-08-2008, 06:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: Help PSU/GPU Alright thanks, I'll try those, they look good. They have enough Amps on the 12V Rails? And if there's ant other suggestions please, do tell. But dai thanks for that, I never realised Canadacomputers.com was a source for PSUs. I appreciate your help. EDIT: I think I'll go with the OCZ, just a gut feeling and it should be nice and quiet. Thanks dai. Would this do the trick?: http://http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=016235&cid=PS.808 __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS Last edited by dai : 04-09-2008 at 10:56 AM. Reason: fix link

04-08-2008, 06:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 14,802 OS: XP Professional	Re: Help PSU/GPU The link you have given does not work and dai is not on right now. Might want to fix that link. __________________ ----------

04-09-2008, 10:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Help PSU/GPU yes it will do what you have but if you upgrade the video later it will push you into another psu upgrade for the sake of $20 here are the line values http://www.ocztechnology.com/drivers/500wchart.JPG __________________

04-09-2008, 12:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: Help PSU/GPU So I'm fine with the one I mentioned? And Tumble the link worked fine for me... EDIT: Oh sorry you were right, didn't notice that dai corrected it. __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS Last edited by BadNeighbor : 04-09-2008 at 12:14 PM.

04-09-2008, 12:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Help PSU/GPU yes you should be __________________

04-09-2008, 02:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: Help PSU/GPU Thank you very much for your support Dai. I'm not aware of if OCZ is a Trusted company or not, but I'll go with you, I'm assuming it will work. Without your support I probably would've fried my new GPU and my Mobo and probably would have just wasted 50 dollars. That's a great save. And don't worry, no more dells, and I don't think I'll be getting a more Powerful GPU any time soon, not until I get a new PC altogether. Thank you everyone for all your support. __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-09-2008, 02:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Help PSU/GPU enjoy your games __________________

04-09-2008, 02:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: [SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU I've also found out that it only comes with 2 SATA Cables, would this be alright for my PC? Or would I need more ( Wouldn't be much of a deal, found some for 2,99$ Free Shipping ) __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-09-2008, 03:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
BadNeighbor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 12 OS: Windows XP Home Edition	Re: [SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU HOLD ON, I found a Corsair that looks PERFECT for this occasion. http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=014940&cid=PS.808 If link doesn't work, all you need to know is that it's a: Corsair CMPSU-450VX 450W ATX 12V 33A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active Pfc 120MM Fan (CMPSU-450VX) I've heard that Corsairs are very good PSUs. This will be my last comment, promise. If anyone has any objections about this one, just post. __________________ Specs: Dell Dimension E521, AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Processor 2.20 GHz, 1G of DDR2 RAM, Corsair 450 Watt PSU ( On it's way ), Soon to be 7900 GS

04-09-2008, 03:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: [SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU the sata cables it refers to are the sata power cables not the data cables most of the sata drives usually give you the choice of plugging in a sata or molex power plug __________________

04-09-2008, 03:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,112 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: [SOLVED] Help PSU/GPU yes it's ok has 33a on a single rail which i prefer to the multiple rails,as you lose access to a lot of the amps on the multi rails __________________