[SOLVED] reboots/freezing 400wpsu

diz_guy · 01-03-2008, 07:14 AM

Hello, I just recently bought a new ATi x1650PRO from newegg, when I am playing games my frames are unstable ( for example, it'll be at 100fps then bounce down to like 50-75fps and go back to 100fps once in a while), for 400w I am running quite a lot of things.

THREE hard drives, 2 of them are currently in a raid0
1 raid card
1 DVD Burner
2 CD Burners
4 fans (2 intakes, 2 exhaust)
DFI Lanparty NFII chipset
ATi x1650PRO by Sapphire AGP (requires a 4pin floppy connector for fan)
and a Sempron 2300+

Now I have no information about power supplies or any of that business, but anyway, I looked at my BIOS and noticed that -12v was reading like -13.6 to -13.7, good or bad? (I'm guessing that's pretty bad) Before I got this card everything seemed to run stable, and yes, I am using all updated drivers. I was thinking about getting a new power supply, perhaps 600watts?

at the moment I have 3 fans unplugged, and the cd burners unplugged, and yet it's still rebooting and freezing and now my BIOS says the -12v is reading -13.58 constantly (I still guess that's pretty bad)

Any help or info appreciated, thanks.

**mattlock** · 01-03-2008, 08:47 AM

Hell Diz_guy, your feeling correct. The high end of the 12v tolerance is 12.6v (low is 11.4v)

If consider a new PSU have a look at our Power Supply Info thread (the link is in my sig). Invest in a quality unit and rest assured that you are getting stable voltage.

Some brands/models to consider are:
Antec Trio, Earthwatts, Neo
Corsair
Seasonic
PC Power & Cooling
Thermaltake Toughpower series
Coolermaster Igreen or Real Power Pro series

Coolermaster Real Power Pro 650w $50 after MIR.

diz_guy · 01-03-2008, 09:09 AM

is my unstable frames also caused by a low power supply?

**linderman** · 01-03-2008, 09:16 AM

that can be a cause of low frame rates /

**mattlock** · 01-03-2008, 09:21 AM

I can't say that's definately the cause but it's possible. Unstable power can cause all kinds of issues, general instabilty, random reboots, unexpected shutdown, poor performance, and over heating just to name a few.

Poor drivers can also cause poor frame rates. Have you tried the latest drivers from ATI?

diz_guy · 01-03-2008, 10:10 AM

yes, i have the latest drivers, 7.12 directly from ATi/AMD's website. but for now i'll be looking into a new power supply and i'll post back to see if it's better!

diz_guy · 01-13-2008, 02:57 AM

UPDATE:
hello again, just to let people know that I have solved my problems. It is definite that my power supply was causing random restarts/ blue screens/ freezing... Upgraded to a 600w power supply with 30A on the 12v rail. Now in my bios the -12 says 12.36

As for my fps, it was horrible... fps drops everywhere here and there! Tried old ATi drivers, new ATi drivers, old and new omega drivers, ngohq drivers, warcat drivers, dna-drivers, just about every driver on the net... but then i came across this russian site that also made drivers and had a lot of downloads. They were known as the n2o drivers, and my problems are just magically fixed! fps should be where it should be at and not dropping at random times. only time it drops is when it SHOULD drop, like when there are like 4-5 smokes in CSS. anyways, i researched this a lot and figured out that ATi has not so much support for AGP and will have to wait til they fix the problem, but I am sticking with the n2o drivers and will never go to any other drivers

Here's the link for anyone else who may have problems.
http://www.radeon.ru/downloads/drivers/
btw downloaded the latest ATi 7.12 driver pack, and MANUALLY installed these drivers

thanks techsupportforum for support and i hope this post helps anyone in the future.

**mattlock** · 01-13-2008, 10:52 AM

Thanks for update Diz. We'll take a look at those drivers.

01-03-2008, 07:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
diz_guy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 OS: XP	[SOLVED] reboots/freezing 400wpsu Hello, I just recently bought a new ATi x1650PRO from newegg, when I am playing games my frames are unstable ( for example, it'll be at 100fps then bounce down to like 50-75fps and go back to 100fps once in a while), for 400w I am running quite a lot of things. THREE hard drives, 2 of them are currently in a raid0 1 raid card 1 DVD Burner 2 CD Burners 4 fans (2 intakes, 2 exhaust) DFI Lanparty NFII chipset ATi x1650PRO by Sapphire AGP (requires a 4pin floppy connector for fan) and a Sempron 2300+ Now I have no information about power supplies or any of that business, but anyway, I looked at my BIOS and noticed that -12v was reading like -13.6 to -13.7, good or bad? (I'm guessing that's pretty bad) Before I got this card everything seemed to run stable, and yes, I am using all updated drivers. I was thinking about getting a new power supply, perhaps 600watts? at the moment I have 3 fans unplugged, and the cd burners unplugged, and yet it's still rebooting and freezing and now my BIOS says the -12v is reading -13.58 constantly (I still guess that's pretty bad) Any help or info appreciated, thanks. Last edited by diz_guy; 01-03-2008 at 07:17 AM.

01-03-2008, 08:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu Hell Diz_guy, your feeling correct. The high end of the 12v tolerance is 12.6v (low is 11.4v) If consider a new PSU have a look at our Power Supply Info thread (the link is in my sig). Invest in a quality unit and rest assured that you are getting stable voltage. Some brands/models to consider are: Antec Trio, Earthwatts, Neo Corsair Seasonic PC Power & Cooling Thermaltake Toughpower series Coolermaster Igreen or Real Power Pro series Coolermaster Real Power Pro 650w $50 after MIR. __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free! Last edited by mattlock; 01-03-2008 at 08:54 AM.

01-03-2008, 09:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
diz_guy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 OS: XP	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu is my unstable frames also caused by a low power supply?

01-03-2008, 09:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,429 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu that can be a cause of low frame rates / __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial Last edited by linderman; 01-03-2008 at 09:24 AM.

01-03-2008, 09:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu I can't say that's definately the cause but it's possible. Unstable power can cause all kinds of issues, general instabilty, random reboots, unexpected shutdown, poor performance, and over heating just to name a few. Poor drivers can also cause poor frame rates. Have you tried the latest drivers from ATI? __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free!

01-03-2008, 10:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
diz_guy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 OS: XP	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu yes, i have the latest drivers, 7.12 directly from ATi/AMD's website. but for now i'll be looking into a new power supply and i'll post back to see if it's better!

01-13-2008, 02:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
diz_guy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 10 OS: XP	Re: reboots/freezing 400wpsu UPDATE: hello again, just to let people know that I have solved my problems. It is definite that my power supply was causing random restarts/ blue screens/ freezing... Upgraded to a 600w power supply with 30A on the 12v rail. Now in my bios the -12 says 12.36 As for my fps, it was horrible... fps drops everywhere here and there! Tried old ATi drivers, new ATi drivers, old and new omega drivers, ngohq drivers, warcat drivers, dna-drivers, just about every driver on the net... but then i came across this russian site that also made drivers and had a lot of downloads. They were known as the n2o drivers, and my problems are just magically fixed! fps should be where it should be at and not dropping at random times. only time it drops is when it SHOULD drop, like when there are like 4-5 smokes in CSS. anyways, i researched this a lot and figured out that ATi has not so much support for AGP and will have to wait til they fix the problem, but I am sticking with the n2o drivers and will never go to any other drivers Here's the link for anyone else who may have problems. http://www.radeon.ru/downloads/drivers/ btw downloaded the latest ATi 7.12 driver pack, and MANUALLY installed these drivers thanks techsupportforum for support and i hope this post helps anyone in the future. Last edited by diz_guy; 01-13-2008 at 03:03 AM.

01-13-2008, 10:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: [SOLVED] reboots/freezing 400wpsu Thanks for update Diz. We'll take a look at those drivers. __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free!