can i/should i overlock? - Page 2

HD_Monkey · 07-28-2009, 09:09 PM

Post where you are as far as ram and cpu voltage. 3.5 is a pretty good clock. Did it blue screen, freeze, or just show error in prime 95? Are your temps. high 50's under full load?

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 08:33 AM

yeah i only get an error on one worker in prime95 that's it. My temps are high 50's under full load yes. Highest it ever gets is 58

**greenbrucelee** · 07-29-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redenvy

yeah i only get an error on one worker in prime95 that's it. My temps are high 50's under full load yes. Highest it ever gets is 58

have you ran memtest86?

if you are getting an error message you need to change something possibly the voltage. You should get no errors whilst running prime the same goes for memtest.

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 05:17 PM

i also got an error in OCCT.. so something isnt right

so i tried using two temp programs and Core Temp has my CPU always 5 degrees lower than RealTemp.. so im not sure which to believe?

Also i have bumped up the CPU voltage through bios but it doesn't seem to be showing in CPU-Z?

in my bios it says 1.37, but in CPU-Z it never seems to go above 1.34

heres what i see:

the core speed does read correctly in CPU-Z.. it just dipped down when i took the SS.

http://img20.imageshack.us/i/cpup.jpg/

http://img20.imageshack.us/i/img1898j.jpg/

http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img1899u.jpg/

Phædrus2401 · 07-29-2009, 05:19 PM

RealTemp is more accurate. As for the discrepancy between the voltage in BIOS and in CPU-Z that's because of something called v-droop, and it's perfectly normal.

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 05:21 PM

so should i keep bumping up the voltage? or start lowering the clock?

Phædrus2401 · 07-29-2009, 05:33 PM

I'd say start lowering the clock.

HD_Monkey · 07-29-2009, 05:49 PM

Just curious, did you SLOWLY raise fsb by increments of say 10-20 and then run stress test in between or quickly take it up? Cpu's have to get used to being overclocked and it should be a very gradual process.

Also, what voltage is your ram running at? Yours is rated at 2-2.1V. I would set at 2.1V. Are you running it linked. If so you are oc'ing ram as well as cpu and this will effect stability as well.

I would back off and start again. It sometimes takes a few tries with different voltage, multiplier, fsb speed combinations to get a good stable oc.

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 07:37 PM

the spec's on my ram say 1.9v? im not sure about if im running it linked. I will reset the clock and the voltage and try again doing more stress tests in between the clock bump

HD_Monkey · 07-29-2009, 07:58 PM

Specs. say 1.9V or bios shows 1.9V?

Is this not your ram? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231211

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 09:05 PM

heres my ram :) 800 not 900

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231209

HD_Monkey · 07-29-2009, 09:13 PM

Ok, keep ram at 1.9V for now.

redenvy · 07-29-2009, 09:15 PM

kk i bumped it all down.. i put the clock at 3.2 ghz so i will start stress testing it again

HD_Monkey · 07-29-2009, 09:28 PM

Definitely! Go slow. Raise fsb a little at a time and then stress test for an hour or so and post results. Delicate balance between cpu fsb and ram speed/timings. Oc'ing is not a quick process, but will pay off in the end. You may also try loosening your ram timings during fsb oc to like 7-7-7-20. We can tighten those up later after pushing the cpu.

Let us know when you reach a level of instability. Constantly monitor temps. during process. If you get over ~70C during stress test then it's time to start over.

**greenbrucelee** · 07-30-2009, 03:24 AM

I agree with the above, do it slowly. Raising by alot straight away is worse for the CPU than getting a really high overclock built up over a period of time.

It like getting someone who has just passed their driving test and putting them in a formula 1 car, they will crash and probably die but if the go to formular 3 then 3000 then formula 1 they have more of a chance :)

redenvy · 07-30-2009, 07:41 AM

hehe okay I will go MUCH slower i promise. I'm not sure how to manually change the ram timings, I was under the impression that they changed with the amount of voltage that was put into them. Maybe they are labeled something more technical that i don't recognize?

**linderman** · 07-30-2009, 08:45 AM

the easiest way for the fellas to help you is to take digital pics of each bios screen tab which you are modifing to get these overclocks; post these pics on imageshack or other free hosting service (megaupload is very good but may not be free?) then supply us with a link to your pics

from there we can give you very precise advice which relates directly to your settings instead of the more generalized information

**linderman** · 07-30-2009, 08:49 AM

photobucket

imagecave

**linderman** · 07-30-2009, 08:59 AM

example

http://usera.ImageCave.com/linderman/MVC-002S.JPG

**greenbrucelee** · 07-30-2009, 11:24 AM

ram timings wont change but the frequency will, it could go up are down. When I OC mine to 4GHz my RAM was running at 1064 instead of 1066, when I had it at 3.6 the ram was 937 the trick is not to go below what your mobo can handle or too much over it if at all.

07-28-2009, 09:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
HD_Monkey Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 367 OS: XP x64 SP2 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? Post where you are as far as ram and cpu voltage. 3.5 is a pretty good clock. Did it blue screen, freeze, or just show error in prime 95? Are your temps. high 50's under full load? __________________

07-29-2009, 08:33 AM	#22 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? yeah i only get an error on one worker in prime95 that's it. My temps are high 50's under full load yes. Highest it ever gets is 58

07-29-2009, 05:17 PM	#24 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? i also got an error in OCCT.. so something isnt right so i tried using two temp programs and Core Temp has my CPU always 5 degrees lower than RealTemp.. so im not sure which to believe? Also i have bumped up the CPU voltage through bios but it doesn't seem to be showing in CPU-Z? in my bios it says 1.37, but in CPU-Z it never seems to go above 1.34 heres what i see: the core speed does read correctly in CPU-Z.. it just dipped down when i took the SS. http://img20.imageshack.us/i/cpup.jpg/ http://img20.imageshack.us/i/img1898j.jpg/ http://img18.imageshack.us/i/img1899u.jpg/ Last edited by redenvy; 07-29-2009 at 05:18 PM.

07-29-2009, 05:19 PM	#25 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,794 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? RealTemp is more accurate. As for the discrepancy between the voltage in BIOS and in CPU-Z that's because of something called v-droop, and it's perfectly normal. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

07-29-2009, 05:21 PM	#26 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? so should i keep bumping up the voltage? or start lowering the clock?

07-29-2009, 05:33 PM	#27 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,794 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? I'd say start lowering the clock. __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for.

07-29-2009, 05:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
HD_Monkey Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 367 OS: XP x64 SP2 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? Just curious, did you SLOWLY raise fsb by increments of say 10-20 and then run stress test in between or quickly take it up? Cpu's have to get used to being overclocked and it should be a very gradual process. Also, what voltage is your ram running at? Yours is rated at 2-2.1V. I would set at 2.1V. Are you running it linked. If so you are oc'ing ram as well as cpu and this will effect stability as well. I would back off and start again. It sometimes takes a few tries with different voltage, multiplier, fsb speed combinations to get a good stable oc. __________________

07-29-2009, 07:37 PM	#29 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? the spec's on my ram say 1.9v? im not sure about if im running it linked. I will reset the clock and the voltage and try again doing more stress tests in between the clock bump

07-29-2009, 07:58 PM	#30 (permalink)
HD_Monkey Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 367 OS: XP x64 SP2 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? Specs. say 1.9V or bios shows 1.9V? Is this not your ram? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231211 __________________

07-29-2009, 09:05 PM	#31 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? heres my ram :) 800 not 900 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231209

07-29-2009, 09:13 PM	#32 (permalink)
HD_Monkey Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 367 OS: XP x64 SP2 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? Ok, keep ram at 1.9V for now. __________________

07-29-2009, 09:15 PM	#33 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? kk i bumped it all down.. i put the clock at 3.2 ghz so i will start stress testing it again

07-29-2009, 09:28 PM	#34 (permalink)
HD_Monkey Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 367 OS: XP x64 SP2 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? Definitely! Go slow. Raise fsb a little at a time and then stress test for an hour or so and post results. Delicate balance between cpu fsb and ram speed/timings. Oc'ing is not a quick process, but will pay off in the end. You may also try loosening your ram timings during fsb oc to like 7-7-7-20. We can tighten those up later after pushing the cpu. Let us know when you reach a level of instability. Constantly monitor temps. during process. If you get over ~70C during stress test then it's time to start over. __________________

07-30-2009, 03:24 AM	#35 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,848 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? I agree with the above, do it slowly. Raising by alot straight away is worse for the CPU than getting a really high overclock built up over a period of time. It like getting someone who has just passed their driving test and putting them in a formula 1 car, they will crash and probably die but if the go to formular 3 then 3000 then formula 1 they have more of a chance :) __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified

07-30-2009, 07:41 AM	#36 (permalink)
redenvy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 58 OS: W7 64bit My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? hehe okay I will go MUCH slower i promise. I'm not sure how to manually change the ram timings, I was under the impression that they changed with the amount of voltage that was put into them. Maybe they are labeled something more technical that i don't recognize?

07-30-2009, 08:49 AM	#38 (permalink)
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07-30-2009, 08:59 AM	#39 (permalink)
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07-30-2009, 08:45 AM	#37 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? the easiest way for the fellas to help you is to take digital pics of each bios screen tab which you are modifing to get these overclocks; post these pics on imageshack or other free hosting service (megaupload is very good but may not be free?) then supply us with a link to your pics from there we can give you very precise advice which relates directly to your settings instead of the more generalized information __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

07-30-2009, 11:24 AM	#40 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,848 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: can i/should i overlock? ram timings wont change but the frequency will, it could go up are down. When I OC mine to 4GHz my RAM was running at 1064 instead of 1066, when I had it at 3.6 the ram was 937 the trick is not to go below what your mobo can handle or too much over it if at all. __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified