Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice)

Antiman1337 · 04-02-2009, 09:59 PM

Hey,
After becoming interested in overclocking my system, I took the liberty of following all the directions (I think) for the system parts etc. I was wondering what advice you could give me in order to overclock my system. Thank you for your time

To Save time, I've included all the information an EVEREST run.

And, I was wondering if installing "RivaTuner" would help at all.

Thank you again!

Here is a LATENCY Run

Code:

Cache latency computation, ver 1.0
www.cpuid.com

Computing ...


stride  4       8       16      32      64      128     256     512
size (Kb)
1       3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
2       3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
4       3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
8       3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
16      3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
32      3       3       3       3       3       3       3       3
64      3       4       5       8       13      13      13      13
128     3       3       5       8       13      13      13      13
256     3       3       5       8       13      13      57      14
512     3       3       5       8       13      13      13      14
1024    3       3       5       8       13      13      13      13
2048    3       3       5       8       14      75      27      19
4096    3       3       5       15      27      150     151     155
8192    3       3       5       15      30      150     150     155
16384   3       3       5       15      30      153     153     152
32768   3       3       5       16      36      150     152     154

2 cache levels detected
Level 1         size = 32Kb     latency = 3 cycles
Level 2         size = 2048Kb   latency = 20 cycles

swingman011 · 04-03-2009, 12:52 AM

hmmm... can you post your system specs so we could see what we're actually looking at?

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 04:14 AM

Sure; this is from the EVEREST File.

Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2009-04-02
Time 23:44

Summary

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 3
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name OWNER (Gaming Computer)
User Name Owner

Motherboard:
CPU Type Unknown, 1800 MHz (7 x 257)
Motherboard Name Unknown
Motherboard Chipset Unknown
System Memory 2048 MB
BIOS Type Phoenix (06/26/07)
Communication Port Bluetooth Communications Port (COM4)
Communication Port Bluetooth Communications Port (COM5)

Display:
Video Adapter GeForce 8600M GT (512 MB)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT (512 MB)
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB]

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Bluetooth Hands-free Audio
Audio Adapter Logitech USB Headset
Audio Adapter Realtek HD Audio output

Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M 3 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2828
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2850
IDE Controller Ricoh Memory Stick Controller
IDE Controller Ricoh SD/MMC Host Controller
SCSI/RAID Controller AJYJP5WG IDE Controller
Disk Drive ST9160821AS (149 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive WD 2500BMV External USB Device (232 GB, USB)
Optical Drive INS AJOX2VO5UB81 SCSI CdRom Device
Optical Drive Slimtype DVDRW SSM-8515S
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 152625 MB (6828 MB free)
F: (FAT32) 238414 MB (176365 MB free)
Total Size 381.9 GB (178.9 GB free)

Input:
Keyboard Logitech PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse Logitech HID-compliant G3/MX518 Optical Mouse
Mouse Logitech-compatible Mouse PS/2

Network:
Network Adapter Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN (192.168.1.100)
Modem Motorola SM56 Data Fax Modem

Peripherals:
Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer
Printer Send To OneNote 2007
USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2830 [NoDB]
USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2831 [NoDB]
USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2832 [NoDB]
USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2834 [NoDB]
USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2835 [NoDB]
USB2 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 2836 [NoDB]
USB2 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 283A [NoDB]
USB Device Broadcom 2045 Bluetooth 2.0 USB Device
USB Device Logitech USB G3 (MX518) Optical Mouse
USB Device USB Audio Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device
USB Device USB Video Device
Battery Microsoft AC Adapter
Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery

Problems & Suggestions:
Problem Disk free space is only 4% on drive C:.

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 06:12 PM

I'm sorry if bumping is against forum rules, but I really would like to get this solved and out of the way. I understand you have other problems to get to, but I would appreciate it extremely if someone took their time to help me.

Thank you.

Warfare · 04-03-2009, 06:31 PM

Um, I know this is a stupid question.. but are you running a laptop? I see the 8600M GT which I think is a laptop card if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, I'm not a person that knows much about overclocking but RivaTuner is a program that overclocks your video card. Also, what are you planning to overclock? Your whole system?

--EDIT--
Could we get some temperatures of the components you wish to overclock? Idle and under load if possible?

BoT · 04-03-2009, 07:05 PM

what brand laptop is it? i would go with bios options over software anyday.
if there are no oc options in bios, i'd probably not do it.
i am not sure what the load was when you took the everest shot but the cpu temp showed already at 62 degrees. getting temps under control is paramount for "save" and successful overclocking but hey, i'd shy away from laptop overclocking anyway.

rivatuner is mainly for video card overclocking and works better on nvidia then ati
setfsb is a pretty good program to overclock. it has a learning curve thou and requires at least some basic knowledge of overclocking. this tool can also cause damage to your componants as all overclocking can. use with care

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 07:58 PM

Thank you very much BoT and Warfare for responding

And yes, I am running a laptop. My Laptop was built by a company known as POWERNOTEBOOKS(.)com

Excellent service and excellent price, which is why I chose it. Regardless, the components I would like to overclock (most importantly) is my CPU. I am almost certain my CPU is bottlenecking my entire system. I want to get the best safe overclock and that is why I came here.

And to be fairly honest, I'm not sure how to calculate load or Idle CPU temperatures and such...

Warfare · 04-03-2009, 08:26 PM

Could you give use more information on your CPU and power supply?
Like Speed, perhaps a brand? And for powersupply the wattage would be nice, since you didn't build it then I don't expect you to know the powersupply brand.

I would strongly suggest not to overclock a laptop because it most likely doesn't have enough air flow as it is. But in the end it is your choice.

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warfare

Could you give use more information on your CPU and power supply?
Like Speed, perhaps a brand? And for powersupply the wattage would be nice, since you didn't build it then I don't expect you to know the powersupply brand.

I would strongly suggest not to overclock a laptop because it most likely doesn't have enough air flow as it is. But in the end it is your choice.

Hopefully this picture takes care of what you need. :P

And just so I could overclock my laptop, I went ahead and bought a USB powered Laptop Cooling Station.

BoT · 04-03-2009, 08:45 PM

can you also send a pic of the mainboard and memory tab?

if you have camera, could you take pictures of your bios options?

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 09:12 PM

I'll post BIOS in 2 minutes...

Antiman1337 · 04-03-2009, 09:37 PM

Here is a slideshow of my BIOS Pictures:

http://img13.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=img3313v.jpg

BoT · 04-03-2009, 10:43 PM

ok, BIOS looks pretty slim

CPUID used to make a nice tool called Clockgen but i don't think they pursuit it anymore.

SetFSB would also be an option. as i mentioned, use with care. don't force nothing. if it goes it goes, if it don't leave it alone. i haven't used it on a lappy but on older desktops.
there were several times where i had to reset the cmos because the clock would jam the system, i am not sure how or how well that works on a lappy

your memory might also be a chock point of the system. not the amount but it's latency. cas5 over 667mhz is quiet high. you could get fairly cheap cas4 or cas3 for 667mhz, many 1066mhz kits for desktops have cas5.
would not do a whole lot but help a little, especially because of the small cache on the cpu.

i don't forsee great "oc" advantures with this setup

Antiman1337 · 04-04-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoT

ok, BIOS looks pretty slim

CPUID used to make a nice tool called Clockgen but i don't think they pursuit it anymore.

SetFSB would also be an option. as i mentioned, use with care. don't force nothing. if it goes it goes, if it don't leave it alone. i haven't used it on a lappy but on older desktops.
there were several times where i had to reset the cmos because the clock would jam the system, i am not sure how or how well that works on a lappy

your memory might also be a chock point of the system. not the amount but it's latency. cas5 over 667mhz is quiet high. you could get fairly cheap cas4 or cas3 for 667mhz, many 1066mhz kits for desktops have cas5.
would not do a whole lot but help a little, especially because of the small cache on the cpu.

i don't forsee great "oc" advantures with this setup

Well at least you're being honest =/

What settings do you think I COULD overclock?

And are you suggesting I buy more memory?

BoT · 04-04-2009, 05:55 PM

in the bios are not really any settings you can adjust for performance or overclocking.
if you use setfsb it will raise or lower the frontside bus but not effect the cpu multiplier at all. this is good for over all system performance but your memory will have to go along with it because it's multiplier can also not be adjusted. they call it a frontside bus strap or core frequency, it's the basic clock that everything multiplies from.
so if your memory is rated for 667 and it is running at 667 then unless it's performance memory, that will be it's limit. if you had 800mhz memory running at 667 then you had some room to play with.

the cas latency is not a hugh or major factor but it can bring little improvement. if you have a few bucks laying around that you don't know what to do with, this would be a good investment, otherwise, don't worry about it.

Antiman1337 · 04-04-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoT

in the bios are not really any settings you can adjust for performance or overclocking.
if you use setfsb it will raise or lower the frontside bus but not effect the cpu multiplier at all. this is good for over all system performance but your memory will have to go along with it because it's multiplier can also not be adjusted. they call it a frontside bus strap or core frequency, it's the basic clock that everything multiplies from.
so if your memory is rated for 667 and it is running at 667 then unless it's performance memory, that will be it's limit. if you had 800mhz memory running at 667 then you had some room to play with.

the cas latency is not a hugh or major factor but it can bring little improvement. if you have a few bucks laying around that you don't know what to do with, this would be a good investment, otherwise, don't worry about it.

Well that's a shame; I'm actually thinking of buying a new router anyways

Thank you nonetheless, much appreciated.

bad4life · 04-05-2009, 11:47 AM

i did it twice an my pc start an shut down, have to wait like about 15 mins for it to become use full

04-03-2009, 12:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
swingman011 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 37 OS: winXP sp2	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) hmmm... can you post your system specs so we could see what we're actually looking at? Last edited by swingman011; 04-03-2009 at 12:57 AM.

04-03-2009, 04:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Antiman1337 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Windows XP SP3	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) Sure; this is from the EVEREST File. Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail) Date 2009-04-02 Time 23:44 Summary Computer: Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional OS Service Pack Service Pack 3 DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c) Computer Name OWNER (Gaming Computer) User Name Owner Motherboard: CPU Type Unknown, 1800 MHz (7 x 257) Motherboard Name Unknown Motherboard Chipset Unknown System Memory 2048 MB BIOS Type Phoenix (06/26/07) Communication Port Bluetooth Communications Port (COM4) Communication Port Bluetooth Communications Port (COM5) Display: Video Adapter GeForce 8600M GT (512 MB) Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT (512 MB) Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] Multimedia: Audio Adapter Bluetooth Hands-free Audio Audio Adapter Logitech USB Headset Audio Adapter Realtek HD Audio output Storage: IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M 3 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2828 IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH8M Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2850 IDE Controller Ricoh Memory Stick Controller IDE Controller Ricoh SD/MMC Host Controller SCSI/RAID Controller AJYJP5WG IDE Controller Disk Drive ST9160821AS (149 GB, IDE) Disk Drive WD 2500BMV External USB Device (232 GB, USB) Optical Drive INS AJOX2VO5UB81 SCSI CdRom Device Optical Drive Slimtype DVDRW SSM-8515S SMART Hard Disks Status OK Partitions: C: (NTFS) 152625 MB (6828 MB free) F: (FAT32) 238414 MB (176365 MB free) Total Size 381.9 GB (178.9 GB free) Input: Keyboard Logitech PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Logitech HID-compliant G3/MX518 Optical Mouse Mouse Logitech-compatible Mouse PS/2 Network: Network Adapter Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN (192.168.1.100) Modem Motorola SM56 Data Fax Modem Peripherals: Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer Printer Send To OneNote 2007 USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2830 [NoDB] USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2831 [NoDB] USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2832 [NoDB] USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2834 [NoDB] USB1 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2835 [NoDB] USB2 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 2836 [NoDB] USB2 Controller Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 283A [NoDB] USB Device Broadcom 2045 Bluetooth 2.0 USB Device USB Device Logitech USB G3 (MX518) Optical Mouse USB Device USB Audio Device USB Device USB Composite Device USB Device USB Composite Device USB Device USB Human Interface Device USB Device USB Mass Storage Device USB Device USB Video Device Battery Microsoft AC Adapter Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery Problems & Suggestions: Problem Disk free space is only 4% on drive C:.

04-03-2009, 06:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Antiman1337 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Windows XP SP3	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) I'm sorry if bumping is against forum rules, but I really would like to get this solved and out of the way. I understand you have other problems to get to, but I would appreciate it extremely if someone took their time to help me. Thank you.

04-03-2009, 06:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Warfare Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 378 OS: Win7 Ultimate 64bit My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) Um, I know this is a stupid question.. but are you running a laptop? I see the 8600M GT which I think is a laptop card if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, I'm not a person that knows much about overclocking but RivaTuner is a program that overclocks your video card. Also, what are you planning to overclock? Your whole system? --EDIT-- Could we get some temperatures of the components you wish to overclock? Idle and under load if possible? Last edited by Warfare; 04-03-2009 at 06:44 PM.

04-03-2009, 07:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
BoT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: earth Posts: 447 OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64 My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) what brand laptop is it? i would go with bios options over software anyday. if there are no oc options in bios, i'd probably not do it. i am not sure what the load was when you took the everest shot but the cpu temp showed already at 62 degrees. getting temps under control is paramount for "save" and successful overclocking but hey, i'd shy away from laptop overclocking anyway. rivatuner is mainly for video card overclocking and works better on nvidia then ati setfsb is a pretty good program to overclock. it has a learning curve thou and requires at least some basic knowledge of overclocking. this tool can also cause damage to your componants as all overclocking can. use with care __________________ MainStation: Q9450@3.6 \| ASUS P5Q-E \| OCZ Platinum 4x2Gb PC8500 \| eVGA GTX260 \| WD VRaptor

04-03-2009, 07:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
Antiman1337 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Windows XP SP3	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) Thank you very much BoT and Warfare for responding And yes, I am running a laptop. My Laptop was built by a company known as POWERNOTEBOOKS(.)com Excellent service and excellent price, which is why I chose it. Regardless, the components I would like to overclock (most importantly) is my CPU. I am almost certain my CPU is bottlenecking my entire system. I want to get the best safe overclock and that is why I came here. And to be fairly honest, I'm not sure how to calculate load or Idle CPU temperatures and such...

04-03-2009, 08:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Warfare Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 378 OS: Win7 Ultimate 64bit My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) Could you give use more information on your CPU and power supply? Like Speed, perhaps a brand? And for powersupply the wattage would be nice, since you didn't build it then I don't expect you to know the powersupply brand. I would strongly suggest not to overclock a laptop because it most likely doesn't have enough air flow as it is. But in the end it is your choice.

04-03-2009, 08:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
BoT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: earth Posts: 447 OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64 My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) can you also send a pic of the mainboard and memory tab? if you have camera, could you take pictures of your bios options? __________________ MainStation: Q9450@3.6 \| ASUS P5Q-E \| OCZ Platinum 4x2Gb PC8500 \| eVGA GTX260 \| WD VRaptor

04-03-2009, 09:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
Antiman1337 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Windows XP SP3	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) I'll post BIOS in 2 minutes...

04-03-2009, 09:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
Antiman1337 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Windows XP SP3	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) Here is a slideshow of my BIOS Pictures: http://img13.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=img3313v.jpg

04-03-2009, 10:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
BoT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: earth Posts: 447 OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64 My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) ok, BIOS looks pretty slim CPUID used to make a nice tool called Clockgen but i don't think they pursuit it anymore. SetFSB would also be an option. as i mentioned, use with care. don't force nothing. if it goes it goes, if it don't leave it alone. i haven't used it on a lappy but on older desktops. there were several times where i had to reset the cmos because the clock would jam the system, i am not sure how or how well that works on a lappy your memory might also be a chock point of the system. not the amount but it's latency. cas5 over 667mhz is quiet high. you could get fairly cheap cas4 or cas3 for 667mhz, many 1066mhz kits for desktops have cas5. would not do a whole lot but help a little, especially because of the small cache on the cpu. i don't forsee great "oc" advantures with this setup __________________ MainStation: Q9450@3.6 \| ASUS P5Q-E \| OCZ Platinum 4x2Gb PC8500 \| eVGA GTX260 \| WD VRaptor

04-04-2009, 05:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
BoT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: earth Posts: 447 OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64 My System	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) in the bios are not really any settings you can adjust for performance or overclocking. if you use setfsb it will raise or lower the frontside bus but not effect the cpu multiplier at all. this is good for over all system performance but your memory will have to go along with it because it's multiplier can also not be adjusted. they call it a frontside bus strap or core frequency, it's the basic clock that everything multiplies from. so if your memory is rated for 667 and it is running at 667 then unless it's performance memory, that will be it's limit. if you had 800mhz memory running at 667 then you had some room to play with. the cas latency is not a hugh or major factor but it can bring little improvement. if you have a few bucks laying around that you don't know what to do with, this would be a good investment, otherwise, don't worry about it. __________________ MainStation: Q9450@3.6 \| ASUS P5Q-E \| OCZ Platinum 4x2Gb PC8500 \| eVGA GTX260 \| WD VRaptor

04-05-2009, 11:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
bad4life Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: montego bay Posts: 2 OS: xp	Re: Overclocking for the First Time (Be nice) i did it twice an my pc start an shut down, have to wait like about 15 mins for it to become use full