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Old 02-18-2009, 01:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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RAM settings

I'm going through the OCing tutorial, and I'm going to manually set the RAM timings, but my screen in BIOS is a lot different from the screenshot in the tutorial. What I have is:

tCL (Cas latency)=6
tRCD = 5
tRP = 5
tRAS = 17
Command Per Clock = 2T
tRRD = 3
tRC = 24
tWR = 6
tWTR = 11
tREF = 7.8 uS
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm going through the OCing tutorial, and I'm going to manually set the RAM timings, but my screen in BIOS is a lot different from the screenshot in the tutorial. What I have is:

tCL (Cas latency)=6
tRCD = 5 (RAS# to CAS# Delay)
tRP = 5 (RAS# Precharge)
tRAS = 17 (Cycle Time)

Command Per Clock = 2T
tRRD = 3
tRC = 24
tWR = 6
tWTR = 11
tREF = 7.8 uS
The items in blue above are the ones you want change. The lower the number the tighter the timings (faster)

If you are also overclocking your CPU you'll be limited as how tight you go on your RAM Timings.

CPU-Z will tell you what you RAM timings are rated for, and the voltage needed for those timings.
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Re: RAM settings

I am planning on oc the cpu.
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The items in blue above are the ones you want change. The lower the number the tighter the timings (faster)

If you are also overclocking your CPU you'll be limited as how tight you go on your RAM Timings.

CPU-Z will tell you what you RAM timings are rated for, and the voltage needed for those timings.
ok so do I set those timings according to the cpuz table for 400mhz fsb or what the screenshot says in the tutorial??
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Re: RAM settings

It would help if knew what Tutorial you are looking at and the details of your hardware. (Make and model of the CPU, Motherboard, RAM, & PSU) Tutorials are more of of guide to help you learn to OC since no two systems will OC the same.

The CPU-Z timings are what the manufacturer says the RAM is capable of handling. Good RAM will typically out perform those timings.

Since you plan on OCing you CPU also, that's throws a whole other twist into things.

Please provide us with the system details and your goal for your OC and then we can give you a little better guidance.
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Re: RAM settings

I guess I should have clarified. I want to oc the cpu, and I was going by Linderman's sticky thread on overclocking, and the first thing it talks about is changing the RAM timings. This is what I have for hardware:

Foxconn MCP73M05 mb
Crucial DDR2 6400 2x2gb
C2D E7200 2.55 ghz
Antec Earthwatts 500w PSU
Masscool CPU cooler
Thermaltake SopranoRS case

Before I got the Masscool cooler and the case I was able to oc the cpu to 3.17ghz. I didn't change the ram at all. Right now it's at stock speed. I hope this helps! Thanks.
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Ok, since you alerady know how to OC your CPU that's where you want to start. Run your CPU up the speed you want it, once you know you have a stable OC (a min 12 hour run of Prime95) Then start tightening up your RAM timings.
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Re: RAM settings

Oh ok. When I oc'd before, I had used the auto oc tool that came with my mb to find out how high I could go and just set it in BIOS after I knew how high it went before it locked up. I kind of wanted to do it "right" this time around. But I'll try what you said and see how it goes. I basically want to get the most out of my CPU, RAM, MB, and VGA without wearing them out too much. On Computer Geeks.com they have chipset coolers. Are those any good? They're by NVIDIA. Will that help do you think? They also have 120mm fans for like 5 bucks! I have 3 places where I can put those in my case. Thanks!
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Old 02-20-2009, 09:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: RAM settings

The case fans are a worthy investment. As for the the chipset fan, IMO, unless you're really pushing your OC to the point where have to increase the chipset voltage, you don't really need one.
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Ok, since you alerady know how to OC your CPU that's where you want to start. Run your CPU up the speed you want it, once you know you have a stable OC (a min 12 hour run of Prime95) Then start tightening up your RAM timings.
What does Prime95 do??I'm running it but I don't know what it's doing. Shouldn't I stress test it?

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Old 02-21-2009, 10:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: RAM settings

Yes, you want to choose "Just Stress Testing" It puts a full load on your CPU and will reveal instability that gaming and everyday computing will not. Most people in to OCing consider 12+ hours of Pirime without any errors a stable overclock.

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How to Stress Test Your Multicore Processor

This is a short guide explaining how to put a 100% load on Single, Dual or Quad Core CPUs using Prime95 version 25.6. This is not an official release as of 3-15-08.
This guide is written for PCs running Windows XP.

Prime is a program designed to find new Mersenne prime numbers but is great tool for testing the stability of an over clocked processor. The “Torture Test” in Prime95 compares the results of your computers calculations to known good results. An incorrect result shows as an error and means your system is unstable.

Prime95 stresses the most power/heat intensive part of a CPU subsystem, which is the FP unit. What that means is, while it can induce heavy loads otherwise not replicable in real-life work loads, there are many sections of cores which aren't tested for integrity with it. Hence, it is possible, although very rare, that something Prime95 stable is not stable at all - in fact - very unstable. While this is very rare, the early releases of the AMD Phenom is an example of a processor that exhibited this behavior.

You can test stability further with general benchmarking, gaming and system running after Prime95 testing and that should show up all errors. Some systems suffer instability due to the sudden drop of load only. Some due to poor VRM's and Vdroop issues and others just because something in the system is unstable.

Now on to users guide.

Download the appropriate version of Prime95 from the links below paying attention to the download location and extract the file to its own folder. Navigate to the folder and double click the green Prime95 icon.

Upon first run, you’ll have two options “Join GIMPS” and “Just Stress Testing”. Choose “Just Stress Testing” and the “Torture Test” window will open.

Windows 32bit Version 25.8
Windows 64bit Version 25.8



Test Options:

There are a few options in the torture test, each is described below.

Small FFTs - Stress CPU (Fits in L2, not much RAM tested)
Stresses the CPU only

Large, in place FFTs – Stress some RAM (Max heat & power consumption.)
Use this option to see how hot your CPU will get. The max temp for CPUs vary from chip to chip, but a good rule of thumb is not exceed 60°c under 100% load. Most prefer to stay a little closer to the 50°c mark under heavy load.

Blend – Stress CPU and RAM (Lots of RAM tested)
Use this option to check the overall stability of your system. Many consider a system that can run the Prime95 blended test for 24hrs without an error to 100% rock solid.


Custom – Allows you to set the FFT sizes, the amount of RAM used, and the time to run each FFT.
This feature was handy when Prime95 was single threaded and required multiple instances running to load each core, because you could split the available RAM between each instance of Prime. Now that it is multi-threaded splitting the RAM is no longer necessary.


Once you have settled on your test simply hit “OK” and all your cores will be getting hammered in no time.

Now, click "Advanced" and in the drop down menu click "Round off checking" to ensure the program stops when it encounters an error.

Be sure to monitor your temps closely. You should be close to your Max Temp within 30 minutes of running Prime95 providing you have good case air flow. If not, the temp will continue to rise as the heat builds up inside the case.

If any of the tests stop due to an error then your system is unstable. If over clocking any components, you'll need to tweak your OC until you can run the blended test for 12-24hrs without error.

Following the steps in this article is done at your own risk. We are not responsible for any damages that may result from running this stress test on your pc.

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Re: RAM settings

Ok. Well apparently I'm running it right but I started it over just to be sure. The cpu's running at 38 in BIOS/45 in RealTemp under 90%+load after several hours. I'll run it for 12 hours since I restarted. Doing blended test.

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That's a really good temp.
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FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.

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Re: RAM settings

That happened after 4 1/2 hours into torture test. It did it again when I ran it again, but only there were two torture tests going on at once. Does this mean I can't oc the cpu that much?? I had it at 3.17 before and was able to run games like Oblivion with no problems. This was with stock cooling and OEM case. Then again I never ran anything like Prime95. Any ideas?
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When running P95 you should see one "Worker Thread" for each core of your CPU. You can have an OC that is Game stable but still fail a P95 torture test.

I've seen many E7200 reported to run prime stable @ 3.17 with no increase in Vcore, but no two processor will OC the same. A little increase in your Vcore will likely get you Prime stable. It will increase your temp also, but if your at 44c under load @ 3.17ghz you've some head room left on your safe temp range.

Please post a screenshot of the CPU-Z CPU, Memory, and SPD tabs. So I can see your Vcore, RAM divider, and RAM timings.

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I've attached the images. Hopefully I can oc more, since I was able to achieve 3.17 stable (at least game stable) with stock cooling and small case. I've heard of people getting 3.6, but I think he probably had an even better cooler.
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Ok, your Vcore is at 1.16v you need to increase that to get Prime stable. Since you ran P95 for 4 1/2 hrs before error, I would think a jump of .5v to 1.21v should get you Prime stable. Be sure to check your CPU temp again while running P95.

To get into the 3.6ghz neighborhood, you would likely be looking at a Vcore of 1.3-1.36v.
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Ok I added .05v. I'll run Prime. It's a little more than 1.21v. Is that ok?? Sorry, I'm a relative noob!
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Temp 44 (BIOS)/52 (RealTemp)

I had another question. While I'm running Prime95, should I also be running other programs?? Like I have uTorrent going as well as antivirus, antispyware, and Zone Alarm, ATI-Catalyst, APC Powerchute, etc. I just thought of that.

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