E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 - Page 3

Noobinparel · 08-18-2009, 06:10 PM

i Don't how To keep Speeds at Bay Because When Overclock The FSB The Memmory Also Increases.
The PCI-E Is At 100 at all times
i Still Cant Boot Past 221 FSB
i Ram V Is 1.8 I Think
Its Preety Mutch Stock Ram... From Starex..
Oh yeah...
Erm Should I Mention
That I have 3 Gig Of Ram
They Are not the same...
I have 1 Stick of 2 gig From Starex
And 1 Stick Of 1 GIG From ...(really OLD) TwinMos
Do you Think THAT Might BE Causing The Problem?

**grimx133** · 08-18-2009, 07:06 PM

Ram should always be installed in matched pairs, and for overclocking you should
get a more performance type ram, something that'll take a higher voltage.
For now, try getting rid of the one gig stick, stay with just the one stick.
You are probably limited to 1.8 volts, offbrands will more than likely be value ram.

You change your ram speed with the dividers, depends on the bios how that's done.
I'm going to take a gander at your manual.

**grimx133** · 08-18-2009, 07:23 PM

The manual is a tad sparse on the details.
In the Frequency/Voltage Control section of your bios there is an entry
"System Memory Multiplier" This is what is used to set the ratio between
the bus speed and the ram. With a 200Mhz. bus speed the ram is set to
2:1 (bus speed:ram) for 800Mhz. Twice the bus makes 400 then times 2 for
double data rate, giving you the 800. If it stays like that, when you try and
boot at 220Mhz. for the bus speed, your ram will be running at 880Mhz.
That can be bad, get too high on the ram and it will not boot.
Different bios's have you adjust the ram speed differently. I like how Asus does
the math for you and lets you pick the final result, much easier.
You'll have to see what's in the System Memory Multiplier, since the manual doesn't
break it down and show the options, just the default "auto".
Once you have tried a different setting, and hit enter the listing below will show
the actual memory speed. That's the Memory Frequency (Mhz.). Try and keep that as close as possible to the rated speed
of the ram. Change the bus speed first, then change the memory. Go below the
stock ram speed, rather than higher.

Noobinparel · 08-19-2009, 03:58 AM

Ok I understand
So I Should Simply Decrese the multiplyer?

**greenbrucelee** · 08-19-2009, 04:03 AM

I agree with grimx133 try what he has suggested and might I add take out the dimm (RAM incase you don't know the correct terminology) that doesn't match and try that.

Noobinparel · 08-19-2009, 04:12 AM

I Took out The Dimm
only Left With 2 gigs

Ok The Memmory Options are
2.0
2.33
3.33
Auto Which is the same as 3.33

I Don't Know If It Helps But I Found My Memmory Manufacturer
Heres The Stuff on My Ram 2GB

Density Speed CL
2GB PC2-6400 5-5-5

**greenbrucelee** · 08-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Yes try it.

I have always had my multiplier at 9 when I was running my system at 4GHz (asus motherboard) I could only get my RAM to work at 1064 which is 1:1 if my maths is correct and this is what you want.

However I have dropped my overclock to 3.91 and the highest for the BUS speed I can get my RAM to be is 1040
if your RAM voltage is supposed to be 3.33 then set it at that you do not want to overvolt or undervolt it.

Noobinparel · 08-19-2009, 04:57 PM

GAH
No Go
Still Doesn't Boot
I Must Be Doing Something Wrong...
Lets See...
All Limiting Sutff is disabled
PCI-E set to 100mhz
Memmory Mutliplyier Is Set to 3.33
V Core Is Set to 1.3250
FSB is at 221
Resulting Memmory is at 736 Mhz

Ok So...What Did I do Wrong?

3.33 Is The Mutliplyer Not The Voltage....

**grimx133** · 08-19-2009, 08:51 PM

Look on the memory stick(s) themselves, there sould be a label with the model number. Only use multiple sticks if they are the exact same model. We need to find your memory model number on the manufacturer's site, to get the specs for voltages. If it's performance orientated memory and running at 1.8 volts it could give instability that a voltage increase would help with. If it's more of a value ram, then you can't increase the voltage.
So, we need to get real specific on the ram, and see what it is.

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 09:29 AM

Ok Heres All The Details That Were on The RAM Stick
2GB DDR2-800-CL5
PC6400U-5550
STT200UD0825-800A

Thats It

**greenbrucelee** · 08-20-2009, 11:22 AM

Is this a budget type of ram? if so get some good quality ram like Geil, OCZ or Corsair

**greenbrucelee** · 08-20-2009, 11:27 AM

Just so you know why I asked about the ram, if you have lots of good quality components in your pc then one not so good component and you do something like overclocking you will find that you hit a bottleneck earlier than you would have if everything was good, if you know what I mean.

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 02:27 PM

I Don';t Really Define A Budget Type From a Quiality Type ...
i Was Hopin you can Tell Me
All I Know Its From STAREX its DDR 2 And 800mhz ...

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 02:31 PM

I Don';t Really Define A Budget Type From a Quiality Type ...
i Was Hopin you can Tell Me
All I Know Its From STAREX its DDR 2 And 800mhz ...
Their Web Says Its Quality Type...

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 02:33 PM

Heres What They Say:
"STAREX memory module series is the most ideal memory expansion solution featuring a wide range of memory options. STAREX guarantees all the products with the first grade memory from the original manufacturer to ensure every customer’s satisfaction.
"

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 04:51 PM

Sorry My Browser Sometimes freezes And Double posts...
I Tried To Edit The Second On ein The Last Sec ..
Sorry

**greenbrucelee** · 08-20-2009, 05:09 PM

well I build quality gaming systems for a second job and also overclock them for customers and I have never heard of this brand before.

Good brands in my opinion are:- OCz, Geil, Corsair, Crucial Ballistix, G Skill and Kingston

With Geil, OCz and Corsair being the ones I would choose as the best. I would have a look at your mobo compatibilty list (might not be in the manual but on their site) to see if any of these good brands are compatible wit your PC and then replace this Starex with something better.

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 05:17 PM

I Don't Know If That An Option..
Im Preety Short On Money
And When I Built This System 3 Years Ago I Had Almost No Clue On Motherboards Memmory Video Cards ETC
And Now Realising That Could'have God A Way Better PC ....For The Same Price...
For Now If its Possible,
Would we Continue To Try... Or Just Tell Me That Its Hopeless...and Ill Wait a Bit Longer Till I Raise Summore Money For a Better System Loadout...

Noobinparel · 08-20-2009, 05:20 PM

yeah Your Right STAREX Sounds Like An Industry Not Gaming Quality RAM
Right Now Im a Fan Of OCZ Ive Seen Systems Overclocked Really Good With Their DIMM's
Though I Never Heard Of Geil Just Untill Recently
Croshair Was On My Must GEt List For Quite A While...

**grimx133** · 08-20-2009, 05:30 PM

I looked on the Starex site, it's 1.8v. memory. Not real overclock
friendly.

08-18-2009, 06:10 PM	#41 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 i Don't how To keep Speeds at Bay Because When Overclock The FSB The Memmory Also Increases. The PCI-E Is At 100 at all times i Still Cant Boot Past 221 FSB i Ram V Is 1.8 I Think Its Preety Mutch Stock Ram... From Starex.. Oh yeah... Erm Should I Mention That I have 3 Gig Of Ram They Are not the same... I have 1 Stick of 2 gig From Starex And 1 Stick Of 1 GIG From ...(really OLD) TwinMos Do you Think THAT Might BE Causing The Problem? Last edited by Noobinparel; 08-18-2009 at 06:12 PM.

08-18-2009, 07:06 PM	#42 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,148 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Ram should always be installed in matched pairs, and for overclocking you should get a more performance type ram, something that'll take a higher voltage. For now, try getting rid of the one gig stick, stay with just the one stick. You are probably limited to 1.8 volts, offbrands will more than likely be value ram. You change your ram speed with the dividers, depends on the bios how that's done. I'm going to take a gander at your manual. __________________

08-18-2009, 07:23 PM	#43 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,148 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 The manual is a tad sparse on the details. In the Frequency/Voltage Control section of your bios there is an entry "System Memory Multiplier" This is what is used to set the ratio between the bus speed and the ram. With a 200Mhz. bus speed the ram is set to 2:1 (bus speed:ram) for 800Mhz. Twice the bus makes 400 then times 2 for double data rate, giving you the 800. If it stays like that, when you try and boot at 220Mhz. for the bus speed, your ram will be running at 880Mhz. That can be bad, get too high on the ram and it will not boot. Different bios's have you adjust the ram speed differently. I like how Asus does the math for you and lets you pick the final result, much easier. You'll have to see what's in the System Memory Multiplier, since the manual doesn't break it down and show the options, just the default "auto". Once you have tried a different setting, and hit enter the listing below will show the actual memory speed. That's the Memory Frequency (Mhz.). Try and keep that as close as possible to the rated speed of the ram. Change the bus speed first, then change the memory. Go below the stock ram speed, rather than higher. __________________

08-19-2009, 03:58 AM	#44 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Ok I understand So I Should Simply Decrese the multiplyer?

08-19-2009, 04:03 AM	#45 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,853 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I agree with grimx133 try what he has suggested and might I add take out the dimm (RAM incase you don't know the correct terminology) that doesn't match and try that. __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified

08-19-2009, 04:12 AM	#46 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I Took out The Dimm only Left With 2 gigs Ok The Memmory Options are 2.0 2.33 3.33 Auto Which is the same as 3.33 I Don't Know If It Helps But I Found My Memmory Manufacturer Heres The Stuff on My Ram 2GB Density Speed CL 2GB PC2-6400 5-5-5 Last edited by Noobinparel; 08-19-2009 at 04:16 AM.

08-19-2009, 03:03 PM	#47 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,853 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Yes try it. I have always had my multiplier at 9 when I was running my system at 4GHz (asus motherboard) I could only get my RAM to work at 1064 which is 1:1 if my maths is correct and this is what you want. However I have dropped my overclock to 3.91 and the highest for the BUS speed I can get my RAM to be is 1040 if your RAM voltage is supposed to be 3.33 then set it at that you do not want to overvolt or undervolt it. __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified Last edited by greenbrucelee; 08-19-2009 at 03:04 PM.

08-19-2009, 04:57 PM	#48 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 GAH No Go Still Doesn't Boot I Must Be Doing Something Wrong... Lets See... All Limiting Sutff is disabled PCI-E set to 100mhz Memmory Mutliplyier Is Set to 3.33 V Core Is Set to 1.3250 FSB is at 221 Resulting Memmory is at 736 Mhz Ok So...What Did I do Wrong? 3.33 Is The Mutliplyer Not The Voltage....

08-19-2009, 08:51 PM	#49 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,148 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Look on the memory stick(s) themselves, there sould be a label with the model number. Only use multiple sticks if they are the exact same model. We need to find your memory model number on the manufacturer's site, to get the specs for voltages. If it's performance orientated memory and running at 1.8 volts it could give instability that a voltage increase would help with. If it's more of a value ram, then you can't increase the voltage. So, we need to get real specific on the ram, and see what it is. __________________

08-20-2009, 09:29 AM	#50 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Ok Heres All The Details That Were on The RAM Stick 2GB DDR2-800-CL5 PC6400U-5550 STT200UD0825-800A Thats It

08-20-2009, 11:22 AM	#51 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,853 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Is this a budget type of ram? if so get some good quality ram like Geil, OCZ or Corsair __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified

08-20-2009, 11:27 AM	#52 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,853 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Just so you know why I asked about the ram, if you have lots of good quality components in your pc then one not so good component and you do something like overclocking you will find that you hit a bottleneck earlier than you would have if everything was good, if you know what I mean. __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified

08-20-2009, 02:27 PM	#53 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I Don';t Really Define A Budget Type From a Quiality Type ... i Was Hopin you can Tell Me All I Know Its From STAREX its DDR 2 And 800mhz ...

08-20-2009, 02:31 PM	#54 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I Don';t Really Define A Budget Type From a Quiality Type ... i Was Hopin you can Tell Me All I Know Its From STAREX its DDR 2 And 800mhz ... Their Web Says Its Quality Type...

08-20-2009, 02:33 PM	#55 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Heres What They Say: "STAREX memory module series is the most ideal memory expansion solution featuring a wide range of memory options. STAREX guarantees all the products with the first grade memory from the original manufacturer to ensure every customer’s satisfaction. "

08-20-2009, 04:51 PM	#56 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 Sorry My Browser Sometimes freezes And Double posts... I Tried To Edit The Second On ein The Last Sec .. Sorry

08-20-2009, 05:09 PM	#57 (permalink)
greenbrucelee Mentor Hardware team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,853 OS: XP SP3 My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 well I build quality gaming systems for a second job and also overclock them for customers and I have never heard of this brand before. Good brands in my opinion are:- OCz, Geil, Corsair, Crucial Ballistix, G Skill and Kingston With Geil, OCz and Corsair being the ones I would choose as the best. I would have a look at your mobo compatibilty list (might not be in the manual but on their site) to see if any of these good brands are compatible wit your PC and then replace this Starex with something better. __________________ Microsoft certified professional, Network +, A+ certified

08-20-2009, 05:17 PM	#58 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I Don't Know If That An Option.. Im Preety Short On Money And When I Built This System 3 Years Ago I Had Almost No Clue On Motherboards Memmory Video Cards ETC And Now Realising That Could'have God A Way Better PC ....For The Same Price... For Now If its Possible, Would we Continue To Try... Or Just Tell Me That Its Hopeless...and Ill Wait a Bit Longer Till I Raise Summore Money For a Better System Loadout...

08-20-2009, 05:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
Noobinparel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Russia -Sankt Peter Burg Posts: 77 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate (7600)	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 yeah Your Right STAREX Sounds Like An Industry Not Gaming Quality RAM Right Now Im a Fan Of OCZ Ive Seen Systems Overclocked Really Good With Their DIMM's Though I Never Heard Of Geil Just Untill Recently Croshair Was On My Must GEt List For Quite A While...

08-20-2009, 05:30 PM	#60 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,148 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: E2140 on Ga-945GCMX-S2 I looked on the Starex site, it's 1.8v. memory. Not real overclock friendly. __________________