Could be OS, could be hardware???

Brizylad · 04-17-2005, 05:48 PM

G'day everyone,

I'm ripping my hair out with this one, and the solution is probably staring at me, BUT.

I bought a new "bare bones box". Case and power supply, with ASRock P4i65GV board, Celeron 2.4 processor and 256 ram. I had the suppliers fit the board and a check of the manual looks like all cabling etc. has been connected correctly.

Now for the problem.

When I install the hard drive, CD and floppy from my currently working computer (P1 100 with W98) the system will boot, BIOS recognises the hard drive and CD, but W98 cannot find the CD.

A lot of new devices exist that I need access to the 98 CD, but can't get there.

I am only running a single IDE cable from IDE1 to connect both CD and hard drive because I thought it might solve the problem. It didn't

The problem also happened when I tried to install "the guts" from another P2 300 system that was running dual boot 98/XP Home. XP really spat the dummy and refused to start - just kept rebooting. 98 tried to start but again couldn't find the CDRom.

Both the P1 and P2 steups work fine in their original cases.

Any suggestion gratefully appreciated.

101 · 04-17-2005, 06:10 PM

Go to control panel>device manager, if you find an entry for the cd-rom drive, delete it and restart. Btw, you can't move an installation of 2K/XP to a new motherboard if that's what you mean, well... there's a way but the safest option is doing a reinstall for the new hardware to be detected.

crazijoe · 04-18-2005, 07:28 AM

The problem you are running into is Win98 OS does not have the drivers for the PCI, IDE chipset controllers and such. It would be best and benificial to start with a clean install of the OS.

Brizylad · 04-19-2005, 04:40 AM

101...just tried deleting the device as you suggested. After reset no joy.
RE moving 2000/XP formatted hard drives...I figured that was the case when I saw the text on the screen. I have already activated that copy of XP 3 times and I don't want to push my luck just yet unless I absolutely have to.

crazijoe · 04-19-2005, 05:08 AM

You could also load what ever necissary drivers you need onto the hard drive before you move the drive over. That way you do not need the CD ROM drive.

101 · 04-19-2005, 05:26 AM

@Brizylad: Open regedit and browse to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\IOS

If you find a NOIDE value, delete it and restart Windows.

As for moving an XP installation to a new motherboard, read on this link. It didn't work for me but give it a try.

Brizylad · 04-20-2005, 05:17 PM

Thanks for your suggestions 101 and Crazijoe.

Reformatted the 98 hard drive last night and everything is back to normal.

04-17-2005, 05:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Brizylad Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane - Australia Posts: 4 OS: w98/XP	Could be OS, could be hardware??? G'day everyone, I'm ripping my hair out with this one, and the solution is probably staring at me, BUT. I bought a new "bare bones box". Case and power supply, with ASRock P4i65GV board, Celeron 2.4 processor and 256 ram. I had the suppliers fit the board and a check of the manual looks like all cabling etc. has been connected correctly. Now for the problem. When I install the hard drive, CD and floppy from my currently working computer (P1 100 with W98) the system will boot, BIOS recognises the hard drive and CD, but W98 cannot find the CD. A lot of new devices exist that I need access to the 98 CD, but can't get there. I am only running a single IDE cable from IDE1 to connect both CD and hard drive because I thought it might solve the problem. It didn't The problem also happened when I tried to install "the guts" from another P2 300 system that was running dual boot 98/XP Home. XP really spat the dummy and refused to start - just kept rebooting. 98 tried to start but again couldn't find the CDRom. Both the P1 and P2 steups work fine in their original cases. Any suggestion gratefully appreciated.

04-18-2005, 07:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	The problem you are running into is Win98 OS does not have the drivers for the PCI, IDE chipset controllers and such. It would be best and benificial to start with a clean install of the OS. __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

04-19-2005, 05:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	You could also load what ever necissary drivers you need onto the hard drive before you move the drive over. That way you do not need the CD ROM drive. __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

04-19-2005, 05:26 AM	#6 (permalink)
101 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 126 OS: 2k Pro	@Brizylad: Open regedit and browse to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\IOS If you find a NOIDE value, delete it and restart Windows. As for moving an XP installation to a new motherboard, read on this link. It didn't work for me but give it a try. __________________ As you may note, English isn't my first language ;)

04-17-2005, 06:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
101 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 126 OS: 2k Pro	Go to control panel>device manager, if you find an entry for the cd-rom drive, delete it and restart. Btw, you can't move an installation of 2K/XP to a new motherboard if that's what you mean, well... there's a way but the safest option is doing a reinstall for the new hardware to be detected.

04-19-2005, 04:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
Brizylad Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane - Australia Posts: 4 OS: w98/XP	101...just tried deleting the device as you suggested. After reset no joy. RE moving 2000/XP formatted hard drives...I figured that was the case when I saw the text on the screen. I have already activated that copy of XP 3 times and I don't want to push my luck just yet unless I absolutely have to.

04-20-2005, 05:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Brizylad Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Brisbane - Australia Posts: 4 OS: w98/XP	Thanks for your suggestions 101 and Crazijoe. Reformatted the 98 hard drive last night and everything is back to normal.