System Cooling

zirian · 07-05-2008, 08:26 AM

Hey guys,

I just have a small question to clarify, before I take further actions. Lately according to Nvidia Monitor for my pc, the temperatures for the CPU, System and GPU have been increasing when starting from idle. The temperatures for each respectively start at 27Deg C, 25Deg C and 42Deg C. Right now my pc is in idle, meaning I haven't started gaming yet or running any other high end applications. Just browsing the internet and using msn. Now the temps are: 36, 39 and 59 respectively. This also goes up as well. It has happened in the past. They've gone up to +40 for the CPU and System and +60 for the GPU. My question is, should I be worried and if so what solutions should I take? The cooling for my pc consists of a 120mm case fan and a 80mm case fan. Both the video card and cpu have stock heatsink/fans. Thanks

Houndog777 · 07-05-2008, 10:49 AM

Hi Zirian,
Those temps look acceptable.
Best positions for case fans is one at the front of your case, bringing air into the case and one at the rear taking it out.
Keep your cables tidy, and give the airflow as clear a path as possible through the case.

wrench97 · 07-05-2008, 11:13 AM

Just to add to Hounddogs good advice of you have been running the system for awhile cleaning the heat sinks and fans with a can of compressed air wouldn't hurt.

renaw · 07-05-2008, 11:30 AM

Do the temperatures vary with room temperature? My CPU and case temperatures vary quite a bit between summer and winter, and depending on whether the air conditioner is on or not.

zirian · 07-05-2008, 11:43 AM

In response to houndog777's post, One case fan is at the back mounted and the other in the front. I tried to keep the cables tidy, but my case is a mid tower case, thus restricting space for better airflow and also my video card is taking up a LOT of space.

In response to wrench97's post, I have yet to use the compressed air to clean them out. Will do that later this weekend.

In response to renaw's post. My pc is kept in the basement which is cold during the summer/winter time.

Do you guys think I should replace the stock cpu fan and video card fan/heatsink?

wrench97 · 07-05-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zirian

Do you guys think I should replace the stock cpu fan and video card fan/heatsink?

Lets what the temps look like after the cleaning.

Houndog777 · 07-05-2008, 11:50 AM

Hi,
check the AMD or Intel page for your processor. It will tell you the temperature range the processor should work within. If your processor is well within this range, when under load, then there is no need to change your setup.
I'd only alter my system if the temps were obviously running too high and/or I was getting overheating errors or system instability.
If it isn't broke, don't fix it!

I'd also like to repeat what Wrench has said; keep your motherboard and components as clean as possible. Dust causes all sorts of problems.

zirian · 07-05-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndog777

Hi,
check the AMD or Intel page for your processor. It will tell you the temperature range the processor should work within. If your processor is well within this range, when under load, then there is no need to change your setup.
I'd only alter my system if the temps were obviously running too high and/or I was getting overheating errors or system instability.
If it isn't broke, don't fix it!

I'd also like to repeat what Wrench has said; keep your motherboard and components as clean as possible. Dust causes all sorts of problems.

I will do so and check. Its an AMD Athlon X64 3800+ Dual Core S939 cpu. I will attach a screenshot of the temperature monitor when I was gaming, and it was just a simple racing game called GTR 2. I will also attach a screenshot when I am using a table top fan that is kept near my computer. They are in respective order

zirian · 07-05-2008, 12:09 PM

The first attached pic is when i am using a fan near my pc, the other is when I am gaming. Pretty self explanatory

Houndog777 · 07-05-2008, 12:28 PM

Hi,
You'll find the recommended temps for the processor in a pdf document entitled...
AMD Athlon Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet #30430
Download from here.......
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...9_7203,00.html

Please give further spec of your pc;
motherboard
video card
memory
power supply manufacturer & model
drives

zirian · 07-05-2008, 01:07 PM

ASUS A8N Sli - Motherboard
XFX GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB DDR3 - Video Card
2GB DDR PC 3200 - Memory
Enermax 535W PSU with dual 80mm fans (more info here http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=PS-EM-EG565P-VE+FMA) - Power Supply
LG DVDRW/CDRW Drive
WD 500GB SATA II hd
Seagate 250GB SATA II hd

Hope that helps

Houndog777 · 07-05-2008, 02:14 PM

Hi,
Here's a quote from X-Bit Labs who reviewed the XFX 8800 GTS...
"The GPU temperature varies from 47-58°C in idle mode to 85-86°C under heavy load in 3D applications. These showings are acceptable for the G92. The card has no effect on the temperature of other system components because the hot air is driven out of the system case."

As for your Processor, I see no reason to worry about it's temps. It is not that high and can also be controlled by AMD's Cool'n'Quiet Technology, if you have that enabled.
Here's a link to the Cool'n'Quiet resources webpage......
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E10272,00.html
Includes a downloadable pdf document installation guide.

zirian · 07-05-2008, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Houndog777

Hi,
Here's a quote from X-Bit Labs who reviewed the XFX 8800 GTS...
"The GPU temperature varies from 47-58°C in idle mode to 85-86°C under heavy load in 3D applications. These showings are acceptable for the G92. The card has no effect on the temperature of other system components because the hot air is driven out of the system case."

As for your Processor, I see no reason to worry about it's temps. It is not that high and can also be controlled by AMD's Cool'n'Quiet Technology, if you have that enabled.
Here's a link to the Cool'n'Quiet resources webpage......
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E10272,00.html
Includes a downloadable pdf document installation guide.

ah regarding AMD's Cool'n'Quiet Technology, its been disabled since I have disabled it in the bios so that I can overclock my cpu. The stock speed was 2.0Ghz, I overclocked it to 2.2Ghz

1 g0t 0wn3d · 07-05-2008, 10:59 PM

your cpu is fine these are the ranges it should be within
V core (V) ? 1.3 / 1.35
Max operating temperature (°C) ? 49 - 71
Thermal Design Power (W) ? 89

Shen2187 · 07-05-2008, 11:34 PM

No reason to worry, Your temperatures are perfectly acceptable. As stated by others, make sure you keep you internal components clear of dust. Once a month would be fine. Personally I blow mine out every weekend. But, that's just me. If you are REALLY concerned, and your case allows, another 80mm intake fan COULD help if placed strategically. Other than that, it's a more conductive thermal paste. But again, where your temperatures are running is perfectly acceptable.

zirian · 07-06-2008, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shen2187

No reason to worry, Your temperatures are perfectly acceptable. As stated by others, make sure you keep you internal components clear of dust. Once a month would be fine. Personally I blow mine out every weekend. But, that's just me. If you are REALLY concerned, and your case allows, another 80mm intake fan COULD help if placed strategically. Other than that, it's a more conductive thermal paste. But again, where your temperatures are running is perfectly acceptable.

Thanks for the help. I appreciate this. I didn't know that was expected of my devices, but its just that for some reason the Nvidia Monitor was thinking that its reaching high temps. My Asus Probe monitor that came with the motherboard, doesn't warn me of high temps unlike the Nvidia Monitor does. Maybe that's Nvidia's fault I guess?

Shen2187 · 07-07-2008, 11:43 AM

I just go by the simple fact that: Nvidia doesn't exactly distribute the best software with their products. There could be a number of reasons that you are getting warning alerts. Anything from software, to a malfunctioning sensor. As long as your temperatures stay in the acceptable temperature range, everything should be fine.

zirian · 07-08-2008, 06:12 AM

mods please close this topic. Issue has been solved. Thanks for those who helped out :)

07-05-2008, 08:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
zirian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 OS: Windows Vista and Windows XP	System Cooling Hey guys, I just have a small question to clarify, before I take further actions. Lately according to Nvidia Monitor for my pc, the temperatures for the CPU, System and GPU have been increasing when starting from idle. The temperatures for each respectively start at 27Deg C, 25Deg C and 42Deg C. Right now my pc is in idle, meaning I haven't started gaming yet or running any other high end applications. Just browsing the internet and using msn. Now the temps are: 36, 39 and 59 respectively. This also goes up as well. It has happened in the past. They've gone up to +40 for the CPU and System and +60 for the GPU. My question is, should I be worried and if so what solutions should I take? The cooling for my pc consists of a 120mm case fan and a 80mm case fan. Both the video card and cpu have stock heatsink/fans. Thanks

07-05-2008, 10:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
Houndog777 Tech Hardware TEam Join Date: May 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,683 OS: XPpro sp3 My System	Re: System Cooling Hi Zirian, Those temps look acceptable. Best positions for case fans is one at the front of your case, bringing air into the case and one at the rear taking it out. Keep your cables tidy, and give the airflow as clear a path as possible through the case. __________________

07-05-2008, 11:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
wrench97 Tech Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,338 OS: XPSP2	Re: System Cooling Just to add to Hounddogs good advice of you have been running the system for awhile cleaning the heat sinks and fans with a can of compressed air wouldn't hurt. __________________

07-05-2008, 11:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
renaw Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 21 OS: win2k	Re: System Cooling Do the temperatures vary with room temperature? My CPU and case temperatures vary quite a bit between summer and winter, and depending on whether the air conditioner is on or not.

07-05-2008, 11:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
zirian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 OS: Windows Vista and Windows XP	Re: System Cooling In response to houndog777's post, One case fan is at the back mounted and the other in the front. I tried to keep the cables tidy, but my case is a mid tower case, thus restricting space for better airflow and also my video card is taking up a LOT of space. In response to wrench97's post, I have yet to use the compressed air to clean them out. Will do that later this weekend. In response to renaw's post. My pc is kept in the basement which is cold during the summer/winter time. Do you guys think I should replace the stock cpu fan and video card fan/heatsink?

07-05-2008, 11:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
Houndog777 Tech Hardware TEam Join Date: May 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,683 OS: XPpro sp3 My System	Re: System Cooling Hi, check the AMD or Intel page for your processor. It will tell you the temperature range the processor should work within. If your processor is well within this range, when under load, then there is no need to change your setup. I'd only alter my system if the temps were obviously running too high and/or I was getting overheating errors or system instability. If it isn't broke, don't fix it! I'd also like to repeat what Wrench has said; keep your motherboard and components as clean as possible. Dust causes all sorts of problems. __________________ Last edited by Houndog777 : 07-05-2008 at 11:53 AM. Reason: Add

07-05-2008, 12:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
zirian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 OS: Windows Vista and Windows XP	Re: System Cooling The first attached pic is when i am using a fan near my pc, the other is when I am gaming. Pretty self explanatory

07-05-2008, 12:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Houndog777 Tech Hardware TEam Join Date: May 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,683 OS: XPpro sp3 My System	Re: System Cooling Hi, You'll find the recommended temps for the processor in a pdf document entitled... AMD Athlon Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet #30430 Download from here....... http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...9_7203,00.html Please give further spec of your pc; motherboard video card memory power supply manufacturer & model drives __________________

07-05-2008, 01:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
zirian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 OS: Windows Vista and Windows XP	Re: System Cooling ASUS A8N Sli - Motherboard XFX GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB DDR3 - Video Card 2GB DDR PC 3200 - Memory Enermax 535W PSU with dual 80mm fans (more info here http://pccyber.com/?v=product&i=PS-EM-EG565P-VE+FMA) - Power Supply LG DVDRW/CDRW Drive WD 500GB SATA II hd Seagate 250GB SATA II hd Hope that helps

07-05-2008, 02:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Houndog777 Tech Hardware TEam Join Date: May 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,683 OS: XPpro sp3 My System	Re: System Cooling Hi, Here's a quote from X-Bit Labs who reviewed the XFX 8800 GTS... "The GPU temperature varies from 47-58°C in idle mode to 85-86°C under heavy load in 3D applications. These showings are acceptable for the G92. The card has no effect on the temperature of other system components because the hot air is driven out of the system case." As for your Processor, I see no reason to worry about it's temps. It is not that high and can also be controlled by AMD's Cool'n'Quiet Technology, if you have that enabled. Here's a link to the Cool'n'Quiet resources webpage...... http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...E10272,00.html Includes a downloadable pdf document installation guide. __________________

07-05-2008, 10:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,274 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: System Cooling your cpu is fine these are the ranges it should be within V core (V) ? 1.3 / 1.35 Max operating temperature (°C) ? 49 - 71 Thermal Design Power (W) ? 89 __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

07-05-2008, 11:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
Shen2187 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 OS: MS WinXP SP3 (5.1, Build 2600)	Re: System Cooling No reason to worry, Your temperatures are perfectly acceptable. As stated by others, make sure you keep you internal components clear of dust. Once a month would be fine. Personally I blow mine out every weekend. But, that's just me. If you are REALLY concerned, and your case allows, another 80mm intake fan COULD help if placed strategically. Other than that, it's a more conductive thermal paste. But again, where your temperatures are running is perfectly acceptable.

07-07-2008, 11:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
Shen2187 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 OS: MS WinXP SP3 (5.1, Build 2600)	Re: System Cooling I just go by the simple fact that: Nvidia doesn't exactly distribute the best software with their products. There could be a number of reasons that you are getting warning alerts. Anything from software, to a malfunctioning sensor. As long as your temperatures stay in the acceptable temperature range, everything should be fine.

07-08-2008, 06:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
zirian Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 45 OS: Windows Vista and Windows XP	Re: System Cooling mods please close this topic. Issue has been solved. Thanks for those who helped out :)