Bad Parts

Tim85 · 04-26-2007, 09:52 AM

I think I've found why my computer is soooo messed up, its been crashing and restarting alot lately. No warning, no errors, no slow downs. It just does it. It happens during game ALOT. I've come up with some possibilities. 1) Hard Drives bad, so when I try to access the games files, it crashes. 2) Processor is overheating. 3) PSU can't pump enough juice to GFX so once again, will result in a crash.

Yes, I know I need a new computer, but I am having some family problems. Even if this is nothing; or something that cannot be fixed, its better to know.

Thanks,
Tim

Tim85 · 04-27-2007, 01:35 PM

Ok, its not the CPU its reads 61C after crashes. Which shutdown is 85C, it could be the HD but no recent noises...I'm thinking about just saying screw it and buying the system anyways. It'll be easier than trying to guess the broken part. Plus I'm using good parts this time, so it will hopefully last alot longer.

**koala** · 04-28-2007, 08:52 AM

What PSU do you have?

Enter your full system specs into this power calculator, and add 30% to the total to allow for PSU inefficiency.

Burn the hard drive diagnostics program from the manufacturer's website onto CD or floppy, change the boot order in BIOS, insert the disc and it will boot into a hard drive testing utility.

Run memtest to test your RAM, one stick at a time for at least 10 passes each.

Tim85 · 04-28-2007, 11:02 PM

Its the junky Rosewill case powersupply. Its adequate to handle the system its nothing special. I did those tests at first to troubleshoot it, nothing wrong as far as I see. I ran them again still came up fine. Its puzzling me, and when I say restarting I mean it will shutdown then start up, then before the motherboard POST it will restart over and over again. Which sounds like the PSU or mobo are going out, but I have no clue. I'm better with Windows environment.

dai · 04-29-2007, 12:29 PM

what does the bios list your voltages at and how many amps does the 12v+ rail put out

Tim85 · 05-03-2007, 09:39 PM

I don't know. Well, I've found it is infact a heat issue just where the heat is I don't know...

**Terrister** · 05-04-2007, 10:16 AM

Please post temps and voltages from this program.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

Tim85 · 05-04-2007, 11:00 PM

Ok, I did it.

Motherboard: 27C
CPU: 38C
Maxtor (HD): 26C

CPU Fan: 2250RPM

CPU Core: 1.43V
Aux: 3.14V
+3.3V: 3.34V
+5V: 5.08V
+12V: 2.43V (Whoa, kinda low!)
+5V Standby: 5.17V
VBAT Battery: 3.30V
Debug Info F: FF 97 FF
Debug Info T: 27 37 208
Debug Info V: 95 C4 D1 BD 26 FF B7 (01) (It wouldn't stop changing so it might be mixed...)

I just included everything, I figured heck?!

**koala** · 05-04-2007, 11:15 PM

Looks like you need a new PSU. Test the voltages again using SensorsView to confirm the low +12V value.

Tim85 · 05-04-2007, 11:19 PM

SensorsView is reading 11.43V. Round & round we go.

**koala** · 05-04-2007, 11:23 PM

That's still at the low end of the acceptable range. Check again under stress and post the full SensorsView results, temperatures and voltages.

Tim85 · 05-04-2007, 11:24 PM

What type of "stress" do you suggest?

**koala** · 05-04-2007, 11:26 PM

A 3D game for a few minutes, something that will push the graphics card and hard drive. Leave SensorsView running while you play and Alt-Tab back to see the values.

Tim85 · 05-04-2007, 11:39 PM

Ok, I just screenshotted the entire thing. Sorry, it got kinda messed up when I transferred it.

dai · 05-05-2007, 01:05 AM

see if you can borrow another psu to try in it,it needs to be better than the one that is in it

Tim85 · 05-05-2007, 07:39 AM

I don't know if I can.

**koala** · 05-05-2007, 07:43 AM

Did you enter your specs into the power calculator and run the hard drive diagnostics?

What does it say on the PSU label for the Amps for +12V?

Tim85 · 05-05-2007, 05:12 PM

I'm at a friends house right now.

minster9 · 05-05-2007, 08:55 PM

I think your PS is about dead. I wouldn't trust any temps. coming from the unit if the cpu is running hot. Know anybody with one of those portable hand-held digital thermometers? Your voltages are way too low on the PS. My cpu fan always runs around 4k rpm,couldn't help but notice yours runs @2250. I don't know how big your fan is or fast it should run,though.

Tim85 · 05-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Yes. I know. In your guys opinions should I buy a new one, or try and make this one keep its butt moving?

04-26-2007, 09:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Bad Parts I think I've found why my computer is soooo messed up, its been crashing and restarting alot lately. No warning, no errors, no slow downs. It just does it. It happens during game ALOT. I've come up with some possibilities. 1) Hard Drives bad, so when I try to access the games files, it crashes. 2) Processor is overheating. 3) PSU can't pump enough juice to GFX so once again, will result in a crash. Yes, I know I need a new computer, but I am having some family problems. Even if this is nothing; or something that cannot be fixed, its better to know. Thanks, Tim

04-27-2007, 01:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts Ok, its not the CPU its reads 61C after crashes. Which shutdown is 85C, it could be the HD but no recent noises...I'm thinking about just saying screw it and buying the system anyways. It'll be easier than trying to guess the broken part. Plus I'm using good parts this time, so it will hopefully last alot longer. Last edited by Tim85; 04-27-2007 at 01:43 PM.

04-28-2007, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,326 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Bad Parts What PSU do you have? Enter your full system specs into this power calculator, and add 30% to the total to allow for PSU inefficiency. Burn the hard drive diagnostics program from the manufacturer's website onto CD or floppy, change the boot order in BIOS, insert the disc and it will boot into a hard drive testing utility. Run memtest to test your RAM, one stick at a time for at least 10 passes each. __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here Last edited by koala; 04-28-2007 at 08:55 AM.

04-28-2007, 11:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts Its the junky Rosewill case powersupply. Its adequate to handle the system its nothing special. I did those tests at first to troubleshoot it, nothing wrong as far as I see. I ran them again still came up fine. Its puzzling me, and when I say restarting I mean it will shutdown then start up, then before the motherboard POST it will restart over and over again. Which sounds like the PSU or mobo are going out, but I have no clue. I'm better with Windows environment.

04-29-2007, 12:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,539 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Bad Parts what does the bios list your voltages at and how many amps does the 12v+ rail put out __________________

05-03-2007, 09:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts I don't know. Well, I've found it is infact a heat issue just where the heat is I don't know...

05-04-2007, 10:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Terrister Moderator Hardware Forum Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Georgia, USA Posts: 7,098 OS: Xp	Re: Bad Parts Please post temps and voltages from this program. http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html __________________

05-04-2007, 11:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts Ok, I did it. Motherboard: 27C CPU: 38C Maxtor (HD): 26C CPU Fan: 2250RPM CPU Core: 1.43V Aux: 3.14V +3.3V: 3.34V +5V: 5.08V +12V: 2.43V (Whoa, kinda low!) +5V Standby: 5.17V VBAT Battery: 3.30V Debug Info F: FF 97 FF Debug Info T: 27 37 208 Debug Info V: 95 C4 D1 BD 26 FF B7 (01) (It wouldn't stop changing so it might be mixed...) I just included everything, I figured heck?!

05-04-2007, 11:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,326 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Bad Parts Looks like you need a new PSU. Test the voltages again using SensorsView to confirm the low +12V value. __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

05-04-2007, 11:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts SensorsView is reading 11.43V. Round & round we go. Last edited by Tim85; 05-04-2007 at 11:23 PM.

05-04-2007, 11:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,326 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Bad Parts That's still at the low end of the acceptable range. Check again under stress and post the full SensorsView results, temperatures and voltages. __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

05-04-2007, 11:24 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts What type of "stress" do you suggest?

05-04-2007, 11:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,326 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Bad Parts A 3D game for a few minutes, something that will push the graphics card and hard drive. Leave SensorsView running while you play and Alt-Tab back to see the values. __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

05-05-2007, 01:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,539 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	Re: Bad Parts see if you can borrow another psu to try in it,it needs to be better than the one that is in it __________________

05-05-2007, 07:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts I don't know if I can.

05-05-2007, 07:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,326 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Bad Parts Did you enter your specs into the power calculator and run the hard drive diagnostics? What does it say on the PSU label for the Amps for +12V? __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

05-05-2007, 05:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts I'm at a friends house right now.

05-05-2007, 08:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
minster9 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OS: windows 2000	Re: Bad Parts I think your PS is about dead. I wouldn't trust any temps. coming from the unit if the cpu is running hot. Know anybody with one of those portable hand-held digital thermometers? Your voltages are way too low on the PS. My cpu fan always runs around 4k rpm,couldn't help but notice yours runs @2250. I don't know how big your fan is or fast it should run,though. Last edited by minster9; 05-05-2007 at 09:03 PM. Reason: cpu fan rpms

05-07-2007, 10:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tim85 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Illinois. Posts: 152 OS: Win 2000 Pro	Re: Bad Parts Yes. I know. In your guys opinions should I buy a new one, or try and make this one keep its butt moving?