New build trouble

Saragantas · 03-05-2007, 06:32 PM

Hi all.....got a minute?
Asus P5ND2-SLI deluxe
Intel 3.4 solo
EVGA 8800 GTS
Silverstone 750W PS
Corsair PC5400 675 XMS 2Gb
Liquid cooled....radiator, bay & all
Areocool panel.
SATA all
Plextor combo optical drive

Not my 1st build.

However.....it originally had a 500W PS that I bought before the card. Afterwhich I realized I may have a problem. Sure enuff, it ran for about 5 minutes, and during OS install, when the optical started to read, it died. So I did a "life support" setup with 2 power supplies and got through....then about 25min in, it died again. Didn't think much of it and bought the 750W PS.
So here's where the problem really starts.....it still dies, but after about 30min now (while I'm dwnldn my package updates). Bios reports CPU temp at about 100deg F +/-5. Aorecool reports about 7 deg less (probes' on the waterblock) with the alarm set at the factory default of 149deg F.
This is my 1st time using Linux, so I can't just go to the event log and see what it's last thought was like in Windows, but don't really know what I'm doin...
What the temp threshholds for the early 3.4's? I know they ran reely hot.
The swiftech waterblock never really did fit right with the MB, but I remachined the bracket and believe it's all proper now, but when I bought it, it was a discontinued item.
I get no beeps, no warnings.....it just dies, PS & all. Theres NO WAY this things usin over 750W

Care to lend a hand?
Thank,
Saragantas

**linderman** · 03-05-2007, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saragantas

Hi all.....got a minute?

Theres NO WAY this things usin over 750W

Care to lend a hand?
Thank,
Saragantas

with the water cooling set-up and an 8800 I would not be so sure about that!

I suggest you strap on an air cooling cpu heat sink and give it a whirl again; if it runs without hick-ups then you will have a direction to investigate.

dai · 03-06-2007, 09:49 AM

there is nothing wrong with your cpu tempreture mine is about the same with water cooling
try another power point
try another power cord from the wall socket to the power supply
check all the plugs inside the computer are inserted ok and you don't have a loose one

**linderman** · 03-06-2007, 10:56 AM

As Dai stated; there is nothing wrong with your CPU temps, try another house wall plug and check the voltages from your house to be sure everything is good there.

Saragantas · 03-06-2007, 06:29 PM

This house IS known to have erratic voltages.....New lightbulbs will often blow, etc.....didn't think of that.....It's just that I can almost set a watch by the time it takes to go down, well +/- 4min I'd say (PS switching?). And it doesn't matter what it's doin! I can be in bios and it'll do it.

No loose connections.

I tried to calculate Wattage,
I figured about 500W at idle. CPU: 80+W, VGA: 270+W
HD
HD cooler (fan)
Optical
Aerocool Gatewatch
2 120mm fans
1 80mm (overkill, but it came with the case)
Pump (18W)
Soundcard
RAM & MB
......what? 150W there total?

I DO have an old UPS with bad batteries in it, but the voltage reg in it should still work......I'll try it.

**linderman** · 03-06-2007, 07:39 PM

in a situtaion where know wall power is flaky; I would buy an APC that has power correction.

Saragantas · 03-06-2007, 09:03 PM

Holy flickering lightbulbs!

Kudos to Joe.

All my "brilliant" planning was between the power supply and keyboard.....
An APC has been suddenly moved from the back burner to paydays purchase.
This area is prone to lightning strikes anyway....2nd in the nation infact.

A lesson well learned.

Thanks again Joe to & all.
Being the "go-to-guy" for all my buddies and co-workers computer problems, this website will also come HIGHLY recommended.

I'll be back often with my "learning Linux" problems.

**linderman** · 03-07-2007, 05:18 AM

keep us posted

we had a power problem similar to that at work, our server which is more sensitive than our desktop would shut down, we called the utility company many times to "fix" their power problem.

Of course the Power company said they didnt have a power problem, that voltage requirements were have a fairly wide tolerance, I forget now how much, but it was rather eye opening!

anyway, we bought an APC for the server with power correction, it also recorded by software the dips in acceptable range even for the APC to work with, each time the power would dip beyond the range of acceptance for the new APC; a nasty siren alarm would sound, well let me tell ya, 3 hours in that office and you were ready for the looney bin!

we printed out the fluctuations from the APC software, and submitted them to the Utility comapany, the next day they were putting a new transformer on the power pole in front of our office, the problem went away and the APC has lived happily ever after!

coincidence ?????????

Saragantas · 03-08-2007, 06:08 PM

Well, there was a marked improvement in runtime and reliability as soon as I hooked the UPS up, but the puter still dies. As I said, the UPS is old and feeble, and the batteries are shot. I got a slick new one on order that will arrive next week.
But we are defintely on the right track. If the new UPS can't handle it, I'll have to install a reg on either that breaker, or the main. I live REELY far out in the country, so the pole pig is agout 1/8mi away. I'm renting, so I won't get any help from the power company.

**linderman** · 03-09-2007, 09:30 AM

does the APC you bought have power correction ?

Saragantas · 03-09-2007, 07:02 PM

Its tigerdirect #C910-1282. It says AVR, but not APC specifically. I figer it's about the same thing. Wonder if I can get a Linux driver to emulate its shutdown prog?

**linderman** · 03-09-2007, 07:23 PM

sorry I dont know squat about Linux

cant teach old dog new tricks; they are just too damn lazy!

Saragantas · 03-12-2007, 06:56 PM

Well....-sigh- It arrived. The computer ran for about as long as it did before with the old UPS. This one has a nice digital display theat says I'm burnin 189-240W at normal usage and idle. No hard feelings. I've wanted one of these things for a LONG time......I think my next step may just be to suck it up and install Micro$oft. However, I'm still open to most suggestions.........

**smz** · 03-12-2007, 07:06 PM

You would be surprised how much a bios can control your life without the use of software created for your m/b. I had similar issues with my other board where the CPU fan would not spin on startup and then the bios turns the machine off. Had to disable that because the 4 pin cpu connector apparantly was communicating saying it didn't need any fan power or something... Very strange.

Oh, as far as Microshot, if you are going to do this for th first time, you need to take some baby steps. Can I suggest Windows XP? Vista is a hell of a leap from Linux and I'm sure some would agree that you might be very sorry for going the Vista route at this time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saragantas

Well....-sigh- It arrived. The computer ran for about as long as it did before with the old UPS. This one has a nice digital display theat says I'm burnin 189-240W at normal usage and idle. No hard feelings. I've wanted one of these things for a LONG time......I think my next step may just be to suck it up and install Micro$oft. However, I'm still open to most suggestions.........

**linderman** · 03-12-2007, 08:29 PM

I am dismayed the APC didnt correct your situtation, by the sound of things your electrical service sure did sound suspect! maybe you can return it ?

after loading windoze let me know how you progress ????

thanks

Saragantas · 03-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Yeah, I ran the pump signal cable into the Aerocool, so on boot, bios got nervous cuz it couldn't see the fan. I disabled it in the setup. I've been runnin XP for quite a while, and I have NO intention of installing, learning about, or recommending Vista to anyone. I've read enough about it to be plenty disinterested.....one of the MANY reasons to switch to Linux....if you got the nerve. Which I'm losing at this point...lol.
So with all the specialized junk I bought for this rig, with XP-only drivers, I guess I'll bite the big one and put Linux on my other puter......which will piss the g/f off.

**smz** · 03-12-2007, 11:05 PM

That's Funny. But I know all about the girlfriend thing.
Pretty much anything that takes time away from them isn't
a good thing in their eyes. But I know that is not the thing you are referring to.

We all find it hard to believe "most" women can operate a computer on their own. Now put Linux in the mix.... No chance in HE** they are gonna be able to get jack done... I mean I look at my Mac desktop and it reminds me more of Linux then Windows, though we all know the mac os was derived from Unix anyways.

Depending on what stage you are in with your G/F, it may or may not be such a good thing to rock the boat with a Linux Box...

Just my 2 cents. One of my ex-girlfriends was so clueless about how to access the internet or do anything online for that matter, she refused to disconnect her AOL proprietary service. She would be lost without that ridiculous browser AOL has. Probably 7.0 at the time. I told her how much money she could save by switching to regular dial-up internet. So she took a half step and got AT&T for $9.99/mo but then paid $9.95 for AOL BYOD so she was only saving $5/mo. Eventually she couldn't take it and dumped AT&T Worldnet and went back to AOL exclusively. That is why I find your comment funny about the G/F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saragantas

Yeah, I ran the pump signal cable into the Aerocool, so on boot, bios got nervous cuz it couldn't see the fan. I disabled it in the setup. I've been runnin XP for quite a while, and I have NO intention of installing, learning about, or recommending Vista to anyone. I've read enough about it to be plenty disinterested.....one of the MANY reasons to switch to Linux....if you got the nerve. Which I'm losing at this point...lol.
So with all the specialized junk I bought for this rig, with XP-only drivers, I guess I'll bite the big one and put Linux on my other puter......which will piss the g/f off.

03-05-2007, 06:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	New build trouble Hi all.....got a minute? Asus P5ND2-SLI deluxe Intel 3.4 solo EVGA 8800 GTS Silverstone 750W PS Corsair PC5400 675 XMS 2Gb Liquid cooled....radiator, bay & all Areocool panel. SATA all Plextor combo optical drive Not my 1st build. However.....it originally had a 500W PS that I bought before the card. Afterwhich I realized I may have a problem. Sure enuff, it ran for about 5 minutes, and during OS install, when the optical started to read, it died. So I did a "life support" setup with 2 power supplies and got through....then about 25min in, it died again. Didn't think much of it and bought the 750W PS. So here's where the problem really starts.....it still dies, but after about 30min now (while I'm dwnldn my package updates). Bios reports CPU temp at about 100deg F +/-5. Aorecool reports about 7 deg less (probes' on the waterblock) with the alarm set at the factory default of 149deg F. This is my 1st time using Linux, so I can't just go to the event log and see what it's last thought was like in Windows, but don't really know what I'm doin... What the temp threshholds for the early 3.4's? I know they ran reely hot. The swiftech waterblock never really did fit right with the MB, but I remachined the bracket and believe it's all proper now, but when I bought it, it was a discontinued item. I get no beeps, no warnings.....it just dies, PS & all. Theres NO WAY this things usin over 750W Care to lend a hand? Thank, Saragantas

03-06-2007, 09:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,555 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	there is nothing wrong with your cpu tempreture mine is about the same with water cooling try another power point try another power cord from the wall socket to the power supply check all the plugs inside the computer are inserted ok and you don't have a loose one __________________

03-06-2007, 10:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	As Dai stated; there is nothing wrong with your CPU temps, try another house wall plug and check the voltages from your house to be sure everything is good there. __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

03-06-2007, 06:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	Hmmm.... This house IS known to have erratic voltages.....New lightbulbs will often blow, etc.....didn't think of that.....It's just that I can almost set a watch by the time it takes to go down, well +/- 4min I'd say (PS switching?). And it doesn't matter what it's doin! I can be in bios and it'll do it. No loose connections. I tried to calculate Wattage, I figured about 500W at idle. CPU: 80+W, VGA: 270+W HD HD cooler (fan) Optical Aerocool Gatewatch 2 120mm fans 1 80mm (overkill, but it came with the case) Pump (18W) Soundcard RAM & MB ......what? 150W there total? I DO have an old UPS with bad batteries in it, but the voltage reg in it should still work......I'll try it.

03-06-2007, 07:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	in a situtaion where know wall power is flaky; I would buy an APC that has power correction. __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

03-06-2007, 09:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	phew..... Holy flickering lightbulbs! Kudos to Joe. All my "brilliant" planning was between the power supply and keyboard..... An APC has been suddenly moved from the back burner to paydays purchase. This area is prone to lightning strikes anyway....2nd in the nation infact. A lesson well learned. Thanks again Joe to & all. Being the "go-to-guy" for all my buddies and co-workers computer problems, this website will also come HIGHLY recommended. I'll be back often with my "learning Linux" problems.

03-07-2007, 05:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	keep us posted we had a power problem similar to that at work, our server which is more sensitive than our desktop would shut down, we called the utility company many times to "fix" their power problem. Of course the Power company said they didnt have a power problem, that voltage requirements were have a fairly wide tolerance, I forget now how much, but it was rather eye opening! anyway, we bought an APC for the server with power correction, it also recorded by software the dips in acceptable range even for the APC to work with, each time the power would dip beyond the range of acceptance for the new APC; a nasty siren alarm would sound, well let me tell ya, 3 hours in that office and you were ready for the looney bin! we printed out the fluctuations from the APC software, and submitted them to the Utility comapany, the next day they were putting a new transformer on the power pole in front of our office, the problem went away and the APC has lived happily ever after! coincidence ????????? __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial Last edited by linderman; 03-07-2007 at 05:24 AM.

03-08-2007, 06:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	Well, there was a marked improvement in runtime and reliability as soon as I hooked the UPS up, but the puter still dies. As I said, the UPS is old and feeble, and the batteries are shot. I got a slick new one on order that will arrive next week. But we are defintely on the right track. If the new UPS can't handle it, I'll have to install a reg on either that breaker, or the main. I live REELY far out in the country, so the pole pig is agout 1/8mi away. I'm renting, so I won't get any help from the power company.

03-09-2007, 09:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	does the APC you bought have power correction ? __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

03-09-2007, 07:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	Its tigerdirect #C910-1282. It says AVR, but not APC specifically. I figer it's about the same thing. Wonder if I can get a Linux driver to emulate its shutdown prog?

03-09-2007, 07:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	sorry I dont know squat about Linux cant teach old dog new tricks; they are just too damn lazy! __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

03-12-2007, 06:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	Re: New build trouble Well....-sigh- It arrived. The computer ran for about as long as it did before with the old UPS. This one has a nice digital display theat says I'm burnin 189-240W at normal usage and idle. No hard feelings. I've wanted one of these things for a LONG time......I think my next step may just be to suck it up and install Micro$oft. However, I'm still open to most suggestions.........

03-12-2007, 08:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,433 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: New build trouble I am dismayed the APC didnt correct your situtation, by the sound of things your electrical service sure did sound suspect! maybe you can return it ? after loading windoze let me know how you progress ???? thanks __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

03-12-2007, 08:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Saragantas Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7 OS: Linux Fedora Core 6	Re: New build trouble Yeah, I ran the pump signal cable into the Aerocool, so on boot, bios got nervous cuz it couldn't see the fan. I disabled it in the setup. I've been runnin XP for quite a while, and I have NO intention of installing, learning about, or recommending Vista to anyone. I've read enough about it to be plenty disinterested.....one of the MANY reasons to switch to Linux....if you got the nerve. Which I'm losing at this point...lol. So with all the specialized junk I bought for this rig, with XP-only drivers, I guess I'll bite the big one and put Linux on my other puter......which will piss the g/f off.