Memory Problems

walker78 · 10-13-2006, 05:28 PM

Good Evening- Could somebody PLS help me!!!! My mobo is SOYO K7VTAPRO , cpu athlonXP 1800+. For 3 years I had memory installed 2 sticks 256 + 128 =total 384 KINGSTON KVR-PC 133/128 and KVR-PC133/256 R.I also want to mention that the old memory is one sided. I decided to buy more memory. On ebay I bought 2 sticks of BRAND NEW KINGSTON 512 MB each . The print on new memory says- KVR 133X64 C3/512 - 512 MB PC133 DIMM CL3 .The new memory is doubled sided - if it is of any importance. I took old memory out of slots and installed one stick of 512MB - everything worked great. Next step I added second stick of 512 MB and - while booting I got memory error. I tried to istall any memory in any combination starting with 512mb in slot number one = nothing worked. What should I do next - dont You think that I should update my BIOS????? or should I try something different - THANK YOU so much for Your help = Andrew

**cjessee** · 10-13-2006, 05:59 PM

I would flash the BIOS first....no sweat. Your new memory could be supported under the new BIOS.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 10-13-2006, 06:01 PM

tried both 512's in slots 1 & 2 problems? try 1 & 3, do not mix the double sided with the single sided. no on the bios/ post the results. /

walker78 · 10-13-2006, 06:45 PM

I installed first stick of memory (512 mb) in slot 1 and second stick of the same memory 512 mb in slot 3. I got the error saying - WINDOWS ENCOUNTERED AN ERROR ACCESSING THE SYSTEM REGISTRY, WINDOWS WILL RESTART AND REPAIR THE SYSTEM REGISTRY FOR YOU. I did click OK - and got the same message again and again. I checked manufacturer's site for BIOS UPGRADE - it looks like I have the latest BIOS. Do YOu Guys think that if I upgrade operating system from current windows 98 second edition to windows 2000 - IT MIGHT HELP????Thank You = Andrew

**cjessee** · 10-13-2006, 06:48 PM

Sounds to me like you have a messed up registry.... If you right click on mycomputer and select properties what does it come up with for RAM?

Mismatching RAM....... this is going to be troublesome.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 10-13-2006, 06:52 PM

insert ram and reset cmos.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 10-13-2006, 07:16 PM

this seems not a reg issue rather hd connection issue, check the ribbons are pluged snug.

crazijoe · 10-13-2006, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walker78

Do YOu Guys think that if I upgrade operating system from current windows 98 second edition to windows 2000 - IT MIGHT HELP????

This might be the problem. Win98 will only address 512MB of memory. It can see more than 512MB but will only use 512MB. This is because it is not a true 32 bit OS.

Have you tried each 512MB stick individually?

walker78 · 10-13-2006, 08:03 PM

Yes I did try each memory 512 mb sticks separately - each of them works fine ALONE!!!! The never work both of them in the same time!!!

walker78 · 10-13-2006, 08:04 PM

I should say - BOTH OF MEMORY STICKS DOESNT WORK TOGETHER!!!

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 10-13-2006, 08:07 PM

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304943

CAUSE
Windows Me and Windows 98 are not designed to handle more than 1 GB of RAM. More than 1 GB can lead to potential system instability.
Back to the top

WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, add the following line to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file:
MaxPhysPage=40000
This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access to 1 GB. To add this line, use the following steps: 1. Use any text editor (such as Notepad) to open the System.ini file in the Windows folder.
2. Add the following line in the [386Enh] section of the file:
MaxPhysPage=40000
3. Save the file, and then restart your computer.

crazijoe · 10-13-2006, 08:47 PM

Win9X can see more memory but it can only address 512MB of it. This has to do with a design fault way back in the 8088 CPU days. Intel made some very bad design decisions with this CPU. First, it used a segmented architecture. Secondly, for some incomprehensible reason, Intel chose to organise its memory access in such a way that IBM felt constrained to limit the theoretical maximum RAM of the original PC to 640k. Even in those early days, these were short-sighted decisions, and we have all suffered from them ever since. If you've ever had an 'out of memory' error message, then you have met this design fault yourself. DOS, Windows 3.1, and Win9X/ME all have base-memory problems which are directly caused by the 640k barrier. Only true 32-bit operating systems like Linux, OS/2 and Win2K/XP/2K3 escape this problem. This is another reason why Mac systems are so much faster with a slower processor.
Theoretically yes, Win9x can access more than 512MB of memory, but to do so it has to switch into 'protected mode', and it can't get back into the normal 'real mode' without a complete reset.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 10-14-2006, 02:24 PM

use one stick, boot and edit the System.ini file ^ reboot your pc, power pc off insert the second stick, power on the pc, now your pc should show 1024mb ram. if not other options / XP will run nicely on your pc.

10-13-2006, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
walker78 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 OS: win98	Memory Problems Good Evening- Could somebody PLS help me!!!! My mobo is SOYO K7VTAPRO , cpu athlonXP 1800+. For 3 years I had memory installed 2 sticks 256 + 128 =total 384 KINGSTON KVR-PC 133/128 and KVR-PC133/256 R.I also want to mention that the old memory is one sided. I decided to buy more memory. On ebay I bought 2 sticks of BRAND NEW KINGSTON 512 MB each . The print on new memory says- KVR 133X64 C3/512 - 512 MB PC133 DIMM CL3 .The new memory is doubled sided - if it is of any importance. I took old memory out of slots and installed one stick of 512MB - everything worked great. Next step I added second stick of 512 MB and - while booting I got memory error. I tried to istall any memory in any combination starting with 512mb in slot number one = nothing worked. What should I do next - dont You think that I should update my BIOS????? or should I try something different - THANK YOU so much for Your help = Andrew

10-13-2006, 05:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
cjessee Uh oh. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 794 OS: Windows NT/2000/XP, Dictaphone, Windows 2003 Server	Bios I would flash the BIOS first....no sweat. Your new memory could be supported under the new BIOS.

10-13-2006, 06:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
walker78 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 OS: win98	I Did Another Try I installed first stick of memory (512 mb) in slot 1 and second stick of the same memory 512 mb in slot 3. I got the error saying - WINDOWS ENCOUNTERED AN ERROR ACCESSING THE SYSTEM REGISTRY, WINDOWS WILL RESTART AND REPAIR THE SYSTEM REGISTRY FOR YOU. I did click OK - and got the same message again and again. I checked manufacturer's site for BIOS UPGRADE - it looks like I have the latest BIOS. Do YOu Guys think that if I upgrade operating system from current windows 98 second edition to windows 2000 - IT MIGHT HELP????Thank You = Andrew

10-13-2006, 06:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
cjessee Uh oh. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 794 OS: Windows NT/2000/XP, Dictaphone, Windows 2003 Server	Registry Sounds to me like you have a messed up registry.... If you right click on mycomputer and select properties what does it come up with for RAM? Mismatching RAM....... this is going to be troublesome. Last edited by cjessee; 10-13-2006 at 06:49 PM.

10-13-2006, 08:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	Win9X can see more memory but it can only address 512MB of it. This has to do with a design fault way back in the 8088 CPU days. Intel made some very bad design decisions with this CPU. First, it used a segmented architecture. Secondly, for some incomprehensible reason, Intel chose to organise its memory access in such a way that IBM felt constrained to limit the theoretical maximum RAM of the original PC to 640k. Even in those early days, these were short-sighted decisions, and we have all suffered from them ever since. If you've ever had an 'out of memory' error message, then you have met this design fault yourself. DOS, Windows 3.1, and Win9X/ME all have base-memory problems which are directly caused by the 640k barrier. Only true 32-bit operating systems like Linux, OS/2 and Win2K/XP/2K3 escape this problem. This is another reason why Mac systems are so much faster with a slower processor. Theoretically yes, Win9x can access more than 512MB of memory, but to do so it has to switch into 'protected mode', and it can't get back into the normal 'real mode' without a complete reset. __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

10-13-2006, 06:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	tried both 512's in slots 1 & 2 problems? try 1 & 3, do not mix the double sided with the single sided. no on the bios/ post the results. /

10-13-2006, 06:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	insert ram and reset cmos.

10-13-2006, 07:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	this seems not a reg issue rather hd connection issue, check the ribbons are pluged snug.

10-13-2006, 08:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
walker78 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 OS: win98	Yes I did try each memory 512 mb sticks separately - each of them works fine ALONE!!!! The never work both of them in the same time!!!

10-13-2006, 08:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
walker78 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 OS: win98	I should say - BOTH OF MEMORY STICKS DOESNT WORK TOGETHER!!!

10-13-2006, 08:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	http://support.microsoft.com/kb/304943 CAUSE Windows Me and Windows 98 are not designed to handle more than 1 GB of RAM. More than 1 GB can lead to potential system instability. Back to the top WORKAROUND To work around this issue, add the following line to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file: MaxPhysPage=40000 This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access to 1 GB. To add this line, use the following steps: 1. Use any text editor (such as Notepad) to open the System.ini file in the Windows folder. 2. Add the following line in the [386Enh] section of the file: MaxPhysPage=40000 3. Save the file, and then restart your computer.

10-14-2006, 02:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	use one stick, boot and edit the System.ini file ^ reboot your pc, power pc off insert the second stick, power on the pc, now your pc should show 1024mb ram. if not other options / XP will run nicely on your pc.