Ps3's Cell processor

Luk07 · 10-06-2005, 01:28 AM

I am sure you have all heard of the great Ps3 Cell processor but do you know whether it will become available for desktop pc's by 2007 or something? also what are teraflops? (the Cell processor has the power of 2 teraflops)

**Resolution** · 10-06-2005, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Luk07

I am sure you have all heard of the great Ps3 Cell processor but do you know whether it will become available for desktop pc's by 2007 or something?

Last I heard it was 2006, but I wouldn't count on it. Proposed dates change all the time in the computer industry.

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Originally Posted by Luk07

also what are teraflops?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Luk07 · 10-06-2005, 02:34 AM

so umm...what exactly are floating point operations? lol

**Resolution** · 10-06-2005, 02:44 AM

Any mathematical operation that involves numbers with decimals.

Luk07 · 10-06-2005, 06:23 AM

so what speed (in those terms) does say an athlon 64 3000+ run at at?

**Resolution** · 10-07-2005, 02:54 AM

http://www.buildorbuy.org/athlon64chart.html

Luk07 · 10-07-2005, 04:05 AM

that doesnt tell me how many floating point operations it can do second though

**koala** · 10-07-2005, 05:04 AM

From geek.com
"The actual core processing in the AMD64 speed is actually about the same or slightly slower per clock cycle than that of the AthlonXP, this is primarily because of the longer 17stage floating-point pipeline. However the larger cache and the faster memory interface make up for this in most situations, also the AMD64s longer pipelining will help the AMD64 run with a faster clock hopefully than the AthlonXP, but this is not 100% because the AMD64 produces more heat than the AthlonXP."

Floating point scores http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...tpage&artid=63 (3rd graph)

Luk07 · 10-07-2005, 06:57 AM

so im looking at the Athlon 64 3000+ score and it says 3016 but it also says mbs/sec at the bottom does that mean i have to times it by a million to get the equivalent measurement to the cell processor? e.g. 3,016,000,000 floating point operations per second?

**Resolution** · 10-07-2005, 09:41 AM

Do you have a specific question in mind? You already said that you don't understand the terminology so it kind of feels like you are stringing us along...

Luk07 · 10-07-2005, 11:15 AM

lol, there was no real intension, right now i just wanna find out how my athlon 64 compares to a Cell processor in the way of floating point operations. So i can get a scale of how good the cell processor compared to a standard desktop CPU

**Barry_R** · 10-07-2005, 05:19 PM

Cell processors are a whole different animal from what we have today. I do not think you can use clock speed to accurately compare the current CPUs to a Cell Processor.

The Cell Processor is made up of multiple CPU's. There is the primary processing unit (PPU) that distributes tasks and there are multiple secondary processing units (SPU's) which carry out the tasks.

To complicate the matter even further it is possible to assign other Cell Processors tasks so now we have multiple PPU/SPU systems working together.

If the Cell Processor becomes reality (I think it will in some form) it will leave todays CPU's in the dust by a large margin.

Luk07 · 10-08-2005, 05:25 AM

so how many secondry CPU's do you think the ps3 has? just a curious question. oh and cheers for that post! very informative!

**Barry_R** · 10-08-2005, 09:50 AM

I do not know how many secondary CPU's they will have. The discussion I read from the Toshiba company showed a diagram of the proposed architecture which had 1 PPU and 6 SPU's.

It's gonna be a while before this technology becomes main stream. Standards have to be established, software has to be written, etc.

Luk07 · 10-09-2005, 03:53 PM

cheers once again! why is everyone so smart/well informed on TSF? it is called GOOGLE!!! lol

but, seriously cheers now i know this (in retrospect) useless piece of information i can rule the world! mwuahahahahahaa!!!

lmao, why not?

10-06-2005, 01:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	Ps3's Cell processor I am sure you have all heard of the great Ps3 Cell processor but do you know whether it will become available for desktop pc's by 2007 or something? also what are teraflops? (the Cell processor has the power of 2 teraflops) __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-06-2005, 02:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	so umm...what exactly are floating point operations? lol __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-06-2005, 06:23 AM	#5 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	so what speed (in those terms) does say an athlon 64 3000+ run at at? __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-07-2005, 04:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	that doesnt tell me how many floating point operations it can do second though __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-07-2005, 05:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,213 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	From geek.com "The actual core processing in the AMD64 speed is actually about the same or slightly slower per clock cycle than that of the AthlonXP, this is primarily because of the longer 17stage floating-point pipeline. However the larger cache and the faster memory interface make up for this in most situations, also the AMD64s longer pipelining will help the AMD64 run with a faster clock hopefully than the AthlonXP, but this is not 100% because the AMD64 produces more heat than the AthlonXP." Floating point scores http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?o...tpage&artid=63 (3rd graph) __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

10-06-2005, 02:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Resolution TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,091 OS: FreeBSD/Win98/2000/XP	Any mathematical operation that involves numbers with decimals.

10-07-2005, 02:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Resolution TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,091 OS: FreeBSD/Win98/2000/XP	http://www.buildorbuy.org/athlon64chart.html

10-07-2005, 06:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	so im looking at the Athlon 64 3000+ score and it says 3016 but it also says mbs/sec at the bottom does that mean i have to times it by a million to get the equivalent measurement to the cell processor? e.g. 3,016,000,000 floating point operations per second? __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-07-2005, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Resolution TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,091 OS: FreeBSD/Win98/2000/XP	Do you have a specific question in mind? You already said that you don't understand the terminology so it kind of feels like you are stringing us along...

10-07-2005, 11:15 AM	#11 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	lol, there was no real intension, right now i just wanna find out how my athlon 64 compares to a Cell processor in the way of floating point operations. So i can get a scale of how good the cell processor compared to a standard desktop CPU __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-07-2005, 05:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Barry_R TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 700 OS: Win XP Home, Linux Mint My System	Cell processors are a whole different animal from what we have today. I do not think you can use clock speed to accurately compare the current CPUs to a Cell Processor. The Cell Processor is made up of multiple CPU's. There is the primary processing unit (PPU) that distributes tasks and there are multiple secondary processing units (SPU's) which carry out the tasks. To complicate the matter even further it is possible to assign other Cell Processors tasks so now we have multiple PPU/SPU systems working together. If the Cell Processor becomes reality (I think it will in some form) it will leave todays CPU's in the dust by a large margin.

10-08-2005, 05:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	so how many secondry CPU's do you think the ps3 has? just a curious question. oh and cheers for that post! very informative! __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!

10-08-2005, 09:50 AM	#14 (permalink)
Barry_R TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 700 OS: Win XP Home, Linux Mint My System	I do not know how many secondary CPU's they will have. The discussion I read from the Toshiba company showed a diagram of the proposed architecture which had 1 PPU and 6 SPU's. It's gonna be a while before this technology becomes main stream. Standards have to be established, software has to be written, etc.

10-09-2005, 03:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
Luk07 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kettering, Northamptonshire, UK Posts: 447 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	cheers once again! why is everyone so smart/well informed on TSF? it is called GOOGLE!!! lol but, seriously cheers now i know this (in retrospect) useless piece of information i can rule the world! mwuahahahahahaa!!! lmao, why not? __________________ It's all fun and games until the monkey craps on the carpet! I've got your nose Mr. Anderson and i intend to keep it!