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03-18-2005, 08:28 PM

Hi,

Gee guys, those machines you are talking about, I just never heard of them....probably before I was born or something like that. :grin34:

**Sarkast** · 03-18-2005, 08:30 PM

Ha ha

You wish you were that young again Mark !

ivanmmj · 03-18-2005, 08:56 PM

My 486DX2 66Mhz ran Win98 (originally Win 3.0) VERY smoothly. Probably smoother than any other PC I've ever had... of course, I did a bit of optimizing...
When I bought that 32mb SIMM I thought I had just gotten more memory than I'd ever use... before I upgraded to Win98 that is. (Don't ask why I just skipped Win95.)

03-18-2005, 09:06 PM

Hi Sarkast,

O.K., you got me on that one. First time I ever fibbed (if you believe that, you are worse than I am).

I admit it, I started with the old Commodore 16, then commodore 64, then Radio Shack machines, and then went to heaven with the old (did I say that) 286 models. When I got my first 486. was glad to part with that 2000 bucks (my wife about died on that one) for that screaming machine. And, in that time, 2000 bucks was a chunk of change. My next was the Pentium Pro 200....wow, what a machine that was...and the rest is history...enough of them I can't count anymore because I got the fever and started building them myself. Anyhow, I do understand about the 486 machines and will (not) promise to never tell a fib again. Have a great evening.

Mark

Addendum: Missed the old 386, not a good machine, and later an Apple II, a McIntosh before I stuck with IBM compatibles, plus every OS since the old, early, and many DOS versions, win 3.1, win95, win98, win98se, winME, winXP and here I still am with XP Pro. Anyway, you get the picture and the age.

batty_professor · 03-18-2005, 10:02 PM

Saw this, thought I'd post it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...174453887&rd=1

**Sarkast** · 03-18-2005, 10:06 PM

What would some people say... "as old as dirt"

Just kidding....

My "beginnings" were some odd machines that i never knew the names of. (my dad brought them home from work) - i just remember they had these casette tape "drives" which made really melodic sounds when loading a program. LOL

Then the mentioned 286 AT - wow we were all fascinated watching it draw fractals - and it only took about 1 minute to fill the screen. That was just soooo fast.

After that things are a bit fuzzy cause my dad had his own computer business so there was always a new machine - components got swapped and all i really cared about was gaming and then the web....

It gets a little clearer again after my beloved AMD K6/2 450 machine w/ Riva TNT2 3D card. Oh how i loved that one....
I also used every OS in your list. Never got around to try linux yet even though i know i should....

Rudso · 03-18-2005, 11:55 PM

ok ok now look at that guys... look at the link that batty proffesor poster... now thats suppost to be a GAMING machine so how come its using a Pentium 4 insted of Athlon

**mgoldb2** · 03-18-2005, 11:56 PM

First computer I used was my dad 486 66mz. I used that thing from like 1995-2001. Great machine but by 2001 I was not having fun using it any more. I finally bought the first computer that I paid for in 2001 which was a athlon 850mhz good machine that last me all the way up to december 2004. By this point most games was not running well on a 850mhz so I set out on making the gaming computer that I been dreaming about. This dream computer is the one am using now and is the favorite thig I ever possised. It is a athlon 64 fx-55 with 2gb ram and a geforce 6800 ultra. When I first got this thing running I could not believe how fast it was. after using it for 2 mounths I dont like playing video games on any computer other then my own lol.

**mgoldb2** · 03-19-2005, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudso

ok ok now look at that guys... look at the link that batty proffesor poster... now thats suppost to be a GAMING machine so how come its using a Pentium 4 insted of Athlon

Well it depends on your definition of a gamming computer. You can call anything a gamming computer. That thing only had a radeon 9550 video card in it that not what I would put in a gaming system.

To answer your question more directly nobody said a good pentium could not play games well we only said that a athlon 64 would play them even better.

Rudso · 03-19-2005, 12:31 AM

Interesting... ok so i was looking at compusa.com and they had this Athlon 64 FX-55 i think? and it was like $1,000 is that like the best processor money can buy cuz i didnt find a Intel P4 that came close to that price

**mgoldb2** · 03-19-2005, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudso

Interesting... ok so i was looking at compusa.com and they had this Athlon 64 FX-55 i think? and it was like $1,000 is that like the best processor money can buy cuz i didnt find a Intel P4 that came close to that price

The athlon 64 fx-55 is the best gaming cpu on the market today. but I dont recommend getting one unless you have enough money for it and a complete system to go with it. No point having the best cpu if you dont have good ram and a awsome graphic card to go with it.

There is a p4 that cost just as much as the athlon 64 fx-55. It is called the pentium 4 3.42ghz etreme edtion with 1066 bus (266fsb).

btw I have a athlon 64 fx-55 in my computer and it totally rules

FALLOUTGOD · 03-19-2005, 12:57 AM

Eh, what about the newer line of socket T intel p4s with HT. Don't they about whoop AMD because of that? I'm building a "gaming" machine right now and I'm getting an intel processor.

**mgoldb2** · 03-19-2005, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FALLOUTGOD

Eh, what about the newer line of socket T intel p4s with HT. Don't they about whoop AMD because of that? I'm building a "gaming" machine right now and I'm getting an intel processor.

In order for HT to have any advantage in a game the game would have to be program to take adavantages of it. Games these days are not and I dont see it ever happening mainstream. The athlon 64 still whoop pentium asses in gaming. Pentium good for other things but for a gaming system athlon is the way to go. Athlons are just a more efficent archtecture for gaming with on-die ram controller, does more in one cycle, using HTT which is full-duplex unlike the fsb intel uses.

ivanmmj · 03-19-2005, 09:46 AM

My 2.0Ghz Athlon XP (2600+) with some light overclocking, and a 9800pro will outperform that link's PC in a lot of games.
It cost me less than $500 to built. A lost less. But I got some deals in the parts.

Anyhoo, if you want gaming, I say P4 Extreme Editions, Athlon64 or Athlon FX.

Preferably the Athlons.

As for graphics card, neither that 3.2Ghz P4 nor my Athlon can fully utilize the 9800pro or the 9550 card. But they aren't "high end gaming" cards anymore. Although I know mine will run Doom3 pretty well.

batty_professor · 03-19-2005, 10:11 AM

I posted that link to get you guys thinking. For that I'd say it worked. As you all talk about what you have and your experiences with it, our threadstarter Rudso, can hopefully make an informed decision, and get the best deal on what he needs to make his games enjoyable. Without costing more than it has to. Anyone know where to find the best deals on each piece? And no matter what you buy it seems, after you've bought it, you'll find it somewhere else cheaper. Just a fact of life. (Murphy's law)

Rudso · 03-19-2005, 10:49 PM

So wat website has good prices for processors and graphic cards? and i heard about this new graphi card coming out... i think R520? anyways suppost to be a very high end graphic card. Do you guys think the prices of other graphic cards will drop when that one comes out... or how offten do prices drop for hardware?

**Sarkast** · 03-20-2005, 08:15 AM

Well they actually drop "all the time"... yes some will say - thats not true - because actually here and there they climb for a few weeks too. But in general - and looking at prices over a longer period of time they are always dropping.

As for websites - i like www.newegg.com. Their prices are good - sometimes you can fnd an item 5$ cheaper elsewhere but their service and shipping is outstanding.

ivanmmj · 03-20-2005, 08:23 AM

What kinds of games do you plan to play? (No use in going all out if the only game you play is command and conquer, for example.)

Rudso · 03-20-2005, 01:33 PM

I cant wait for Battlefield 2 to come out.... like 50% of the reason im upgrading my computer is because of that game

Rudso · 03-20-2005, 01:35 PM

Ohh.... almost forgot, will i need better fans or more fans... wats the deal with upgrading fans?

03-18-2005, 08:30 PM	#42 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	Ha ha You wish you were that young again Mark ! __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

03-18-2005, 09:06 PM	#44 (permalink)
mark3567 Guest Posts: n/a OS:	Hi Sarkast, O.K., you got me on that one. First time I ever fibbed (if you believe that, you are worse than I am). I admit it, I started with the old Commodore 16, then commodore 64, then Radio Shack machines, and then went to heaven with the old (did I say that) 286 models. When I got my first 486. was glad to part with that 2000 bucks (my wife about died on that one) for that screaming machine. And, in that time, 2000 bucks was a chunk of change. My next was the Pentium Pro 200....wow, what a machine that was...and the rest is history...enough of them I can't count anymore because I got the fever and started building them myself. Anyhow, I do understand about the 486 machines and will (not) promise to never tell a fib again. Have a great evening. Mark Addendum: Missed the old 386, not a good machine, and later an Apple II, a McIntosh before I stuck with IBM compatibles, plus every OS since the old, early, and many DOS versions, win 3.1, win95, win98, win98se, winME, winXP and here I still am with XP Pro. Anyway, you get the picture and the age. Last edited by mark3567; 03-18-2005 at 09:21 PM.

03-18-2005, 10:02 PM	#45 (permalink)
batty_professor Asst. Manager, Alternative Computing Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hooterville Il 45 mi. east of St. Louis mo Posts: 2,608 OS: Fedora Core 5 for now	Saw this, thought I'd post it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...174453887&rd=1 __________________ It's better to know me and not need me than to need me and not know me. B. While users are never under any obligation, if you feel the urge please feel free to visit our donation page. Every little bit helps. And we thank you for your support. Microsoft free Registered Linux user 397458

03-18-2005, 10:06 PM	#46 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	What would some people say... "as old as dirt" Just kidding.... My "beginnings" were some odd machines that i never knew the names of. (my dad brought them home from work) - i just remember they had these casette tape "drives" which made really melodic sounds when loading a program. LOL Then the mentioned 286 AT - wow we were all fascinated watching it draw fractals - and it only took about 1 minute to fill the screen. That was just soooo fast. After that things are a bit fuzzy cause my dad had his own computer business so there was always a new machine - components got swapped and all i really cared about was gaming and then the web.... It gets a little clearer again after my beloved AMD K6/2 450 machine w/ Riva TNT2 3D card. Oh how i loved that one.... I also used every OS in your list. Never got around to try linux yet even though i know i should.... __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

03-18-2005, 11:56 PM	#48 (permalink)
mgoldb2 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 604 OS: windows xp	First computer I used was my dad 486 66mz. I used that thing from like 1995-2001. Great machine but by 2001 I was not having fun using it any more. I finally bought the first computer that I paid for in 2001 which was a athlon 850mhz good machine that last me all the way up to december 2004. By this point most games was not running well on a 850mhz so I set out on making the gaming computer that I been dreaming about. This dream computer is the one am using now and is the favorite thig I ever possised. It is a athlon 64 fx-55 with 2gb ram and a geforce 6800 ultra. When I first got this thing running I could not believe how fast it was. after using it for 2 mounths I dont like playing video games on any computer other then my own lol. Last edited by mgoldb2; 03-18-2005 at 11:58 PM.

03-18-2005, 08:28 PM	#41 (permalink)
mark3567 Guest Posts: n/a OS:	Hi, Gee guys, those machines you are talking about, I just never heard of them....probably before I was born or something like that. :grin34:

03-18-2005, 08:56 PM	#43 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	My 486DX2 66Mhz ran Win98 (originally Win 3.0) VERY smoothly. Probably smoother than any other PC I've ever had... of course, I did a bit of optimizing... When I bought that 32mb SIMM I thought I had just gotten more memory than I'd ever use... before I upgraded to Win98 that is. (Don't ask why I just skipped Win95.)

03-18-2005, 11:55 PM	#47 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	ok ok now look at that guys... look at the link that batty proffesor poster... now thats suppost to be a GAMING machine so how come its using a Pentium 4 insted of Athlon

03-19-2005, 12:31 AM	#50 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	Interesting... ok so i was looking at compusa.com and they had this Athlon 64 FX-55 i think? and it was like $1,000 is that like the best processor money can buy cuz i didnt find a Intel P4 that came close to that price

03-19-2005, 12:57 AM	#52 (permalink)
FALLOUTGOD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 253 OS: MS Win Vista Ultimate SP1 x64	Eh, what about the newer line of socket T intel p4s with HT. Don't they about whoop AMD because of that? I'm building a "gaming" machine right now and I'm getting an intel processor.

03-19-2005, 09:46 AM	#54 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	My 2.0Ghz Athlon XP (2600+) with some light overclocking, and a 9800pro will outperform that link's PC in a lot of games. It cost me less than $500 to built. A lost less. But I got some deals in the parts. Anyhoo, if you want gaming, I say P4 Extreme Editions, Athlon64 or Athlon FX. Preferably the Athlons. As for graphics card, neither that 3.2Ghz P4 nor my Athlon can fully utilize the 9800pro or the 9550 card. But they aren't "high end gaming" cards anymore. Although I know mine will run Doom3 pretty well.

03-19-2005, 10:11 AM	#55 (permalink)
batty_professor Asst. Manager, Alternative Computing Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hooterville Il 45 mi. east of St. Louis mo Posts: 2,608 OS: Fedora Core 5 for now	I posted that link to get you guys thinking. For that I'd say it worked. As you all talk about what you have and your experiences with it, our threadstarter Rudso, can hopefully make an informed decision, and get the best deal on what he needs to make his games enjoyable. Without costing more than it has to. Anyone know where to find the best deals on each piece? And no matter what you buy it seems, after you've bought it, you'll find it somewhere else cheaper. Just a fact of life. (Murphy's law) __________________ It's better to know me and not need me than to need me and not know me. B. While users are never under any obligation, if you feel the urge please feel free to visit our donation page. Every little bit helps. And we thank you for your support. Microsoft free Registered Linux user 397458

03-19-2005, 10:49 PM	#56 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	So wat website has good prices for processors and graphic cards? and i heard about this new graphi card coming out... i think R520? anyways suppost to be a very high end graphic card. Do you guys think the prices of other graphic cards will drop when that one comes out... or how offten do prices drop for hardware?

03-20-2005, 08:15 AM	#57 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	Well they actually drop "all the time"... yes some will say - thats not true - because actually here and there they climb for a few weeks too. But in general - and looking at prices over a longer period of time they are always dropping. As for websites - i like www.newegg.com. Their prices are good - sometimes you can fnd an item 5$ cheaper elsewhere but their service and shipping is outstanding. __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

03-20-2005, 08:23 AM	#58 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	What kinds of games do you plan to play? (No use in going all out if the only game you play is command and conquer, for example.)

03-20-2005, 01:33 PM	#59 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	I cant wait for Battlefield 2 to come out.... like 50% of the reason im upgrading my computer is because of that game

03-20-2005, 01:35 PM	#60 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	Ohh.... almost forgot, will i need better fans or more fans... wats the deal with upgrading fans?