1 more time... Athlon and Pentium 4??? - Page 2

C0B01 · 03-17-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WaltSide

from what i have read, this is exactly the situation, amd cpu's do no multiply or divide inside the actual core.

for this they use an external math coprocessor, saving precious cpu core time.

and since multiplication and division aren't needed all that often in gaming, this works great for gaming.

least someone on this 'tech' forum knows their stuff.

**mgoldb2** · 03-17-2005, 07:48 PM

Just to let you know at least from the prices I seen
pentium 4 3,2ghz(LGA775) cost $227
athlon 64 3200+(skt 939) cost $190
athlon 64 3500+(skt 939) cost $267

If you can afford the athlon 64 3500+ I would go for it. It is a GREAT gamming cpu for what I think not that bad of price. I think the athlon 64 3500+ would take full advantage of the geforce 6800GT. I not sure if the pentium would or the athlon 64 3200+.

ivanmmj · 03-17-2005, 07:57 PM

There's a BIG difference between saying that the multiplying and division isn't done in the core but handled by a seperate part of the CPU and saying that the CPU doesn't do multiplying and dividing.

**mgoldb2** · 03-17-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanmmj

There's a BIG difference between saying that the multiplying and division isn't done in the core but handled by a seperate part of the CPU and saying that the CPU doesn't do multiplying and dividing.

also besides that fact. I still dont believe this is a reason it does better in games. First of all pentiums does better in graphic editing. The reason that amd does better in games have more to do with things like on-die memory controller.

ivanmmj · 03-17-2005, 08:16 PM

Actually, AMD's do better in graphic editing. P4's tend to do very well in Encoding of video and sound. (Although that gap seems to be getting smaller and smaller by the minute....)

**mgoldb2** · 03-17-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanmmj

Actually, AMD's do better in graphic editing. P4's tend to do very well in Encoding of video and sound. (Although that gap seems to be getting smaller and smaller by the minute....)

amd catching up but not quite there. in something like divx encoding there like 8 pentiums that can do it faster then mine athlon and I have the fastest athlon that currently aviable right now. luckily I dont do much encoding and I do alot of gaming and there not a pentium that exists that can play games as well as my athlon.

Volt-Schwibe · 03-17-2005, 08:42 PM

i can sum this up by saying there is definately opposing opinions.

and opinions are like rear ends.

we all have one, and some stink.

ivanmmj · 03-17-2005, 08:55 PM

lol. Those that don't shower properly?

But you're right. There are a lot of opinions. Most of what I speak off as far as performance goes is based on benchmarks I've either ran myself or seen ran or read about, though. They're both good CPU's, I just happen to preffer AMD. I like the underdog. :)

**mgoldb2** · 03-17-2005, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ivanmmj

They're both good CPU's, I just happen to preffer AMD.

I have owned 2 computers in my life both was amd. First computer I went amd because it was cheaper for the performance. secound computer I went amd because I wanted the best gaming computer I can afford and amd was surprior to pentium in gaming.

I have never regretted going amd. The first computer lasted me 5 years with solid performance up to the end but it just could not handle the new games any longer. My current computer is my all time favorite thing I ever own. I just love this computer.

Volt-Schwibe · 03-17-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WaltSide

i myself, am an AMD advocate.

Rudso · 03-17-2005, 11:56 PM

So you guys say Athlon would be better for gaming... so is it always good for gaming like every game? and lets just say for example... a games requirment are 2.2Ghz and the Athlon i get is 2.0Ghz but according to you guys it performs like a 3.2Ghz in Pentium.... will it work on the game if the games requirments are 2.2 and i ahve a Athlon 2.0?

Volt-Schwibe · 03-18-2005, 12:06 AM

yes.

the game itself doesn't count the speed.

the performance is based on the TFLOPS. <--linky

a 3200 athlon and a 3.2 ghz intel, produce the same number of tflops.

and, that is exactly what matters.

Rudso · 03-18-2005, 12:37 AM

ok wow this thread was REALLLY helpful. Thank you everyone that posted in it, before this thread i had no idea wat Athlon even was and now i guess almost all of us can agree that i should get a Athlon over a pentium since im trying to convert my old computer in to a gaming machine?

ivanmmj · 03-18-2005, 10:38 AM

*nods*
And AMD works hard to make their CPU's more and more efficient. So you might see a 3200+ being 2.0ghz one generation and 3400+ being 2.0Ghz also the next generation. One thing I really love at AMD, they try hard to get the most of out the speed possible.

C0B01 · 03-18-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudso

ok wow this thread was REALLLY helpful. Thank you everyone that posted in it, before this thread i had no idea wat Athlon even was and now i guess almost all of us can agree that i should get a Athlon over a pentium since im trying to convert my old computer in to a gaming machine?

Rudso · 03-18-2005, 05:28 PM

Wait... but will the Athlon be durable then the pentium or how long do they last?

**Sarkast** · 03-18-2005, 05:43 PM

I read articles that stated CPUs are designed for a 10-15 year lifespan - both AMD and Intel. So if you are realistic - they are designed to last much longer than they will be used in 99% of all cases.

Volt-Schwibe · 03-18-2005, 06:41 PM

yes, unless you fry it, either one will last long enough for it to be flat out laughably slow.

for example, i have a 75mhz AMD processor that still works fine...
and a 486-sx-33mhz that works fine.

they kinda just don't die, unless you fry them.

batty_professor · 03-18-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WaltSide

yes, unless you fry it, either one will last long enough for it to be flat out laughably slow.

for example, i have a 75mhz AMD processor that still works fine...
and a 486-sx-33mhz that works fine.

they kinda just don't die, unless you fry them.

Don't laugh kids, those things were considered smokin fast at one time. WE see things with those gigahertz numbers on 'em and think "how do they do that"? today, just like we used to think the same about that aforementioned 33 & 75 mhz stuff. There seems to be no end.

**Sarkast** · 03-18-2005, 08:08 PM

I still remember the time my dad bought an "286" AT with whopping 12Mhz - when everyone else only had the XT with 8Mhz..... LOL

Or the time we spent 400$ on a 200Mb HDD.... ouch.... (and that one was sooo big we thought we'd never fill that one lol)

Its amazing how things can change.

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Volt-Schwibe Asst. Manager, Automotive Forums; HJT Trainee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Behind you, watching you as you type. Posts: 7,372 OS: Click "My System" to view details My System	yes. the game itself doesn't count the speed. the performance is based on the TFLOPS. <--linky a 3200 athlon and a 3.2 ghz intel, produce the same number of tflops. and, that is exactly what matters. __________________ <signature> TSF is funded by our Admin's pocket, care to help? Power Tip: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. New Members: Creating a single new thread in the correct section is the best way to assure your thread will receive a reply. </signature> Last edited by Volt-Schwibe; 03-18-2005 at 12:10 AM.

03-18-2005, 05:43 PM	#37 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	I read articles that stated CPUs are designed for a 10-15 year lifespan - both AMD and Intel. So if you are realistic - they are designed to last much longer than they will be used in 99% of all cases. __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

03-18-2005, 06:41 PM	#38 (permalink)
Volt-Schwibe Asst. Manager, Automotive Forums; HJT Trainee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Behind you, watching you as you type. Posts: 7,372 OS: Click "My System" to view details My System	yes, unless you fry it, either one will last long enough for it to be flat out laughably slow. for example, i have a 75mhz AMD processor that still works fine... and a 486-sx-33mhz that works fine. they kinda just don't die, unless you fry them. __________________ <signature> TSF is funded by our Admin's pocket, care to help? Power Tip: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. New Members: Creating a single new thread in the correct section is the best way to assure your thread will receive a reply. </signature>

03-18-2005, 08:08 PM	#40 (permalink)
Sarkast TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: NY Posts: 2,715 OS: WinXP	I still remember the time my dad bought an "286" AT with whopping 12Mhz - when everyone else only had the XT with 8Mhz..... LOL Or the time we spent 400$ on a 200Mb HDD.... ouch.... (and that one was sooo big we thought we'd never fill that one lol) Its amazing how things can change. __________________ P4 2.4@2.9 / XP-90 / Albatron PX865PE Pro V2.0 / Kingston Hyper-X 512MB Dual Channel CL2-2-2-5 / Geforce4 MX440x8 64MB / WD80GB 7200RPM 8MB / Thermaltake 420W PSU --> SEE IT ALL GLOW <-- MBM5 - SpeedFan - PSU Calculator - MemTest86 - ThrottleWatch

03-17-2005, 07:48 PM	#22 (permalink)
mgoldb2 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 604 OS: windows xp	Just to let you know at least from the prices I seen pentium 4 3,2ghz(LGA775) cost $227 athlon 64 3200+(skt 939) cost $190 athlon 64 3500+(skt 939) cost $267 If you can afford the athlon 64 3500+ I would go for it. It is a GREAT gamming cpu for what I think not that bad of price. I think the athlon 64 3500+ would take full advantage of the geforce 6800GT. I not sure if the pentium would or the athlon 64 3200+.

03-17-2005, 07:57 PM	#23 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	There's a BIG difference between saying that the multiplying and division isn't done in the core but handled by a seperate part of the CPU and saying that the CPU doesn't do multiplying and dividing.

03-17-2005, 08:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	Actually, AMD's do better in graphic editing. P4's tend to do very well in Encoding of video and sound. (Although that gap seems to be getting smaller and smaller by the minute....)

03-17-2005, 08:55 PM	#28 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	lol. Those that don't shower properly? But you're right. There are a lot of opinions. Most of what I speak off as far as performance goes is based on benchmarks I've either ran myself or seen ran or read about, though. They're both good CPU's, I just happen to preffer AMD. I like the underdog. :)

03-17-2005, 11:56 PM	#31 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	So you guys say Athlon would be better for gaming... so is it always good for gaming like every game? and lets just say for example... a games requirment are 2.2Ghz and the Athlon i get is 2.0Ghz but according to you guys it performs like a 3.2Ghz in Pentium.... will it work on the game if the games requirments are 2.2 and i ahve a Athlon 2.0?

03-18-2005, 12:37 AM	#33 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	ok wow this thread was REALLLY helpful. Thank you everyone that posted in it, before this thread i had no idea wat Athlon even was and now i guess almost all of us can agree that i should get a Athlon over a pentium since im trying to convert my old computer in to a gaming machine?

03-18-2005, 10:38 AM	#34 (permalink)
ivanmmj Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 23 OS: WinXP	nods And AMD works hard to make their CPU's more and more efficient. So you might see a 3200+ being 2.0ghz one generation and 3400+ being 2.0Ghz also the next generation. One thing I really love at AMD, they try hard to get the most of out the speed possible.

03-18-2005, 05:28 PM	#36 (permalink)
Rudso Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 93 OS: WinXP	Wait... but will the Athlon be durable then the pentium or how long do they last?