[SOLVED] Changeover causes troubles

volkerm · 11-21-2008, 07:17 AM

I was using the following (self built) computer

ASRock 775Dual-Vista
Intel E6600
Corsair 2GB Ram
ATI Radeon X850XT AGP
WD 250 GB HD
Windows XP
350W Powersupply

I upgraded the MB and graphics and powersupply as follows

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB DDR3 PCI-E DUAL
500W Powersupply

I believe I made all the right connections, however, the system will
not boot. I am not sure if the HD is spinning. It was working in the old configuration right before I started the built. At one point I also had both the SATA and ATA power cables connected (I know now that maybe I shouldn't have done that).

Any thoughts, anybody. I'd sure appreciate the help.

Tumbleweed36 · 11-21-2008, 07:30 AM

What power supply brand name so I can look at the specs. You need at leasts (bare minimum) of 18 amps on the +12 line with an AGP card.

volkerm · 11-21-2008, 08:41 AM

It's an

APEVIA WIN-500XSPX 500W ATX12V

purchased new at the Egg this week.

Thanks for your help

volkerm · 11-21-2008, 08:49 AM

Tumbleweed,

The new graphics card is a PCI-E 2.0 card, the old one was AGP.
One of the reasons for the upgrade.

Volker

Tumbleweed36 · 11-21-2008, 09:01 AM

I misunderstood, now you need a bare minimum of 26 amps on the +12 rail. The power supply most likely won't be able to support a pci-e video card. You listed an AGP at the end of your video card that I thought was a pci-e card, so I thought maybe they had one I was not familar with and it was an AGP.

Anyhow, do you know someone that has a 550 watt power supply in there that you can try. That would be an appropriate size for that video card IMHO.

volkerm · 11-21-2008, 09:35 AM

Tumbleweed,

Sapphire (video card manufacturer) claims that a pawersupply in excess of 450W is sufficient. However currently the MB is only connected to the 24 pin power connector, not the 2x4 connector that is also on the MB.
Should they both be connected. MB manufacturer claims it's only necessary for running "Extreme" CPU's on the board. Video card is directly connected to PS thru 6pin connector. Lights on the board come up, the back fan runs, but I don't think the HD is running. I bend the back connectors on the HD slightly when I tried to connect the SATA lines. Could I have possibly created a broken connection to the HD?

Volker

**wrench97** · 11-21-2008, 11:41 AM

The 4 pin with 2 yellow and 2 black is the cpu power and yes you need it.

**wrench97** · 11-21-2008, 11:46 AM

And for a HD4850 you need a bigger power supply it should boot but you will be pushing the power supply to failure sooner rather then later.

Tumbleweed36 · 11-21-2008, 01:42 PM

I must have missed something along here. I saw the ATI Radeon X850 and thought it was AGP since you had that listed at the end of the number. I was not familar with that number and AGP, but thought I might have missed a new one that came out.

Then, you mentioned the pci-e, but I thought you were still talking about an ATI Radeon x850 pci-e (good card), but I certainly DID NOT see below that and realize or see that you were talking about the 4850 supply that you listed.

Wow, I would want a bare minimum of a 650 power supply for the 4850 and if my rig, I would stick a 750 watt power supply in there.

My bad, have just missed the gist of things going on...thanks Wrench for clearing that one up. Now I owe you two....this one and the one the other day. Yep, time for an eye check up. Can't believe I missed that extra paragraph about the 4850.....but, I did.

**wrench97** · 11-21-2008, 02:13 PM

I missed it the first time through too

Tumbleweed36 · 11-21-2008, 02:29 PM

Wow, then I am not alone? Big difference in the PSU needs from an X850XT pci-e and a HD4850 pci-e. No, I mean a BIG difference.

volkerm · 11-21-2008, 07:01 PM

Tumbleweed,

I found my problem with the help of the forum. I had not connected the second 2x4 power supply to the MB. Now everything is running as expected.

Thanks to everybody who contributed.

Volker

Tumbleweed36 · 11-21-2008, 07:21 PM

I wish you the best of luck and am glad you found the issue. Please do very aware of the need for power and watch for signs of the power supply struggling. If you see any signs, then replace it for a bigger supply right away before you see any damage to other components.

Have a great weekend!

11-21-2008, 07:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
volkerm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 OS: XP	[SOLVED] Changeover causes troubles I was using the following (self built) computer ASRock 775Dual-Vista Intel E6600 Corsair 2GB Ram ATI Radeon X850XT AGP WD 250 GB HD Windows XP 350W Powersupply I upgraded the MB and graphics and powersupply as follows GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB DDR3 PCI-E DUAL 500W Powersupply I believe I made all the right connections, however, the system will not boot. I am not sure if the HD is spinning. It was working in the old configuration right before I started the built. At one point I also had both the SATA and ATA power cables connected (I know now that maybe I shouldn't have done that). Any thoughts, anybody. I'd sure appreciate the help.

11-21-2008, 07:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 18,024 OS: XP Professional	Re: Changeover causes troubles What power supply brand name so I can look at the specs. You need at leasts (bare minimum) of 18 amps on the +12 line with an AGP card. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

11-21-2008, 08:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
volkerm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 OS: XP	Re: Changeover causes troubles It's an APEVIA WIN-500XSPX 500W ATX12V purchased new at the Egg this week. Thanks for your help

11-21-2008, 08:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
volkerm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 OS: XP	Re: Changeover causes troubles Tumbleweed, The new graphics card is a PCI-E 2.0 card, the old one was AGP. One of the reasons for the upgrade. Volker

11-21-2008, 09:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 18,024 OS: XP Professional	Re: Changeover causes troubles I misunderstood, now you need a bare minimum of 26 amps on the +12 rail. The power supply most likely won't be able to support a pci-e video card. You listed an AGP at the end of your video card that I thought was a pci-e card, so I thought maybe they had one I was not familar with and it was an AGP. Anyhow, do you know someone that has a 550 watt power supply in there that you can try. That would be an appropriate size for that video card IMHO. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 11-21-2008 at 09:03 AM.

11-21-2008, 09:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
volkerm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 OS: XP	Re: Changeover causes troubles Tumbleweed, Sapphire (video card manufacturer) claims that a pawersupply in excess of 450W is sufficient. However currently the MB is only connected to the 24 pin power connector, not the 2x4 connector that is also on the MB. Should they both be connected. MB manufacturer claims it's only necessary for running "Extreme" CPU's on the board. Video card is directly connected to PS thru 6pin connector. Lights on the board come up, the back fan runs, but I don't think the HD is running. I bend the back connectors on the HD slightly when I tried to connect the SATA lines. Could I have possibly created a broken connection to the HD? Volker

11-21-2008, 11:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14,216 OS: XPSP3	Re: Changeover causes troubles The 4 pin with 2 yellow and 2 black is the cpu power and yes you need it. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

11-21-2008, 11:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14,216 OS: XPSP3	Re: Changeover causes troubles And for a HD4850 you need a bigger power supply it should boot but you will be pushing the power supply to failure sooner rather then later. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

11-21-2008, 01:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 18,024 OS: XP Professional	Re: Changeover causes troubles I must have missed something along here. I saw the ATI Radeon X850 and thought it was AGP since you had that listed at the end of the number. I was not familar with that number and AGP, but thought I might have missed a new one that came out. Then, you mentioned the pci-e, but I thought you were still talking about an ATI Radeon x850 pci-e (good card), but I certainly DID NOT see below that and realize or see that you were talking about the 4850 supply that you listed. Wow, I would want a bare minimum of a 650 power supply for the 4850 and if my rig, I would stick a 750 watt power supply in there. My bad, have just missed the gist of things going on...thanks Wrench for clearing that one up. Now I owe you two....this one and the one the other day. Yep, time for an eye check up. Can't believe I missed that extra paragraph about the 4850.....but, I did. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 11-21-2008 at 01:56 PM.

11-21-2008, 02:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 14,216 OS: XPSP3	Re: Changeover causes troubles I missed it the first time through too __________________ Power Supply and Selection

11-21-2008, 02:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 18,024 OS: XP Professional	Re: Changeover causes troubles Wow, then I am not alone? Big difference in the PSU needs from an X850XT pci-e and a HD4850 pci-e. No, I mean a BIG difference. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

11-21-2008, 07:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
volkerm Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5 OS: XP	Re: Changeover causes troubles Tumbleweed, I found my problem with the help of the forum. I had not connected the second 2x4 power supply to the MB. Now everything is running as expected. Thanks to everybody who contributed. Volker

11-21-2008, 07:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 18,024 OS: XP Professional	Re: Changeover causes troubles I wish you the best of luck and am glad you found the issue. Please do very aware of the need for power and watch for signs of the power supply struggling. If you see any signs, then replace it for a bigger supply right away before you see any damage to other components. Have a great weekend! __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.